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Brad Brownell = Tommy Bowden ?
Feb 15, 2017, 11:30 AM
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I see a lot of similarities between the two. Doing good enough to keep his job. Gets some big wins every now and then, but then there's the inexplicable losses as well. Involved in the program at the time of big facility improvements. Great recruits, great potential, but just can't get over the hump. Lots of close losses in big games, but again, just can't get over the hump. Nice guy, very likeable. But the bottom line in this game is tournament and titles. We've not done well with him on either count.
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Brad Brownell < Tommy Bowden
Feb 15, 2017, 11:39 AM
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in my opinion
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Re: Brad Brownell < Tommy Bowden
Feb 16, 2017, 8:20 PM
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Nope.
Opinions are like ------, just about everyone has one and it does not mean it is accurate or right or sound.
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Re: Brad Brownell = Tommy Bowden ?
Feb 15, 2017, 11:41 AM
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If Brad Brownell's basketball success was as good as TB's was in football, I'd be ecstatic right now. TB at least had us bowl eligible each year. I compare the Brownell years more to Tommy West. Likeable enough guy for the fans to want to keep around regardless of what the product on the court or field is.
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I think half the teams in CFB make bowls. About 1/5 of CBB
Feb 15, 2017, 12:04 PM
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teams make the NCAAT. Also, there are a lot more built in advantages that come with being the Clemson FB coach than the Clemson BB coach.
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82 football teams and 100 basketball teams make
Feb 15, 2017, 1:15 PM
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bowl games and NCAA/NIT tournament games.
It's not so hard to get to a postseason basketball tournament or a bowl game.
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I wish. More like Tomy West****
Feb 15, 2017, 11:47 AM
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Yep***
Feb 15, 2017, 12:06 PM
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no that was Shyatt. Bowden and Brownell are comparable
Feb 16, 2017, 7:41 PM
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Maybe BB is a notch below that level. Tommy could recruit pretty well.
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Re: Brad Brownell = Tommy Bowden ?
Feb 15, 2017, 11:51 AM
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Sadly, I think that may be giving Brad Brownell too much credit.
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No way to compare football v basketball potential at Clemson***
Feb 15, 2017, 11:52 AM
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refresshing a reasonable poster on TNet and about basketball***
Feb 16, 2017, 8:22 PM
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Re: Brad Brownell = Tommy Bowden ? Nope Brad
Feb 15, 2017, 12:01 PM
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knows how to beat Wake
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To be fair
Feb 15, 2017, 1:00 PM
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He has done better against Wake, that's for sure, but Bowden was 7-3 (as compared to Brad's 9-1).
Not exactly a horrible record, but Brad's is better.
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Lost me at great recruits
Feb 15, 2017, 12:01 PM
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Bowden couldn't coach his way out of a bag, but he was a very good recruiter. BB is an OK coach, but really poor recruiter.
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Re: Lost me at great recruits
Feb 15, 2017, 12:03 PM
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Our recruiting has improved each year under Brownell with his current class being pretty #### good.
Basketball at Clemson is much harder to recruit than Football.
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Our overall talent level during BBs tenure has been just
Feb 15, 2017, 12:08 PM
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a step above Shyatt level. We've had two really good players in KJ and Jaron, but even Shyatt had Solomon and Scott.
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Barnes recruited Solomon***
Feb 15, 2017, 11:33 PM
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wow...I really hurt somebody's feelings***
Feb 16, 2017, 12:44 PM
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Lol, Bowden was a good recruiter ?
Feb 16, 2017, 1:21 PM
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We didn't recruit worth a darn until Dabo was hired. I Distinctly remember 30th- 40th ranked classes under Bowden until 2006.
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Re: Brad Brownell = Tommy Bowden ?
Feb 15, 2017, 12:19 PM
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Tommy did not have a clue what to do on offense once Rich Rod left, did not have the gumption to make a change in an OC or tell Vic to attack on defense. Meanwhile, Dabo was waiting and watching.
Brad has replaced many assistants and has just got the new facility upgrade needed. Recruiting is getting better, which should allow Brad to operate with less project players and eventually those who are more well-rounded to his style.
Still, ACC Basketball is a taller task to elite status at Clemson than football.
And yes, I know our expectations are not as high in basketball. We just want to be competitive and steal some years here and there.
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Bowden wasn't likable at all in my opinion.
Feb 15, 2017, 11:04 PM
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Came across as a jerk on many occasions.
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Brownell has never been arrogant enough to blame
Feb 15, 2017, 11:23 PM
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the fans for his losses, or to tell us that UNC wants to hire him from us.
He has less to dislike, but also less to like.
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Re: Brad Brownell = Tommy Bowden ? No
Feb 16, 2017, 8:18 PM
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BB does not and did not have the talent, tradition, passion, support or culture that TB had.
BB has done way way way more with less compared to TB.
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