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TNET: Radakovich addresses complaint against Brownell, says program hits mark for him

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Posted: May 3, 2021, 4:23 PM
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Radakovich addresses complaint against Brownell, says program hits mark for him

Athletic Director Dan Radakovich said Monday that he is pleased with the progress of the men’s basketball program under head coach Brad Brownell and that Brownell certainly hits "a mark" in the different areas in which the program is graded. Full Story »


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Posted: May 3, 2021, 4:32 PM
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DR’s comments on the program seem somewhat reserved regarding on the court performance. What do others think?

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Posted: May 3, 2021, 4:39 PM
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I Think DRad should be a politician. Those statements are all PR moves nothing else...

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On court performance seems pretty low on the totem pole

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Posted: May 3, 2021, 5:15 PM
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of expectations, it would appear.

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Proud of our MBB program

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Posted: May 3, 2021, 4:40 PM
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I'm proud of our MBB program, including CBB and the players. I trust CBB and DRad have looked at this issue thoroughly and that it's resolved. In today's culture, I am certain it would not be swept under the rug if it was a significant issue.

All this does is give more fodder for the CBB haters which is a shame.

CBB and our MBB program have my FULL support! I look forward to what they will accomplish in 2021-22 and beyond!

Go Tigers!!

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I think you’ve confused the definition of success.

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Posted: May 3, 2021, 6:44 PM
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Brownell should have been fired years ago. The REAL story here is what does Brownell have on DRad? The BEST is the standard. We haven’t seen BEST in mbb ever! There is no reason we can’t be a final four team every year. Clemson is an attractive school with the will to win. It’s past time we get a coach capable of taking the Tigers forward. Brownell is the Bowden of basketball. He took us as far as he can. He has had more than enough time to turn the program around. Mediocrity is nothing to be proud of.

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Did you really just say this?

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Posted: May 3, 2021, 6:50 PM
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“There is no reason we can’t be a final four team every year.”



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Posted: May 3, 2021, 7:12 PM
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He overstayed things for sure, but here’s what is absolutely positively true: after UNC, Duke, and Louisville, there is absolutely no reason Clemson cannot be at the top of that second tier of teams in the ACC every year. Virginia Tech, Miami, and Florida State have been better programs since joining the ACC than Clemson, which is ridiculous and unacceptable. If Florida State can do what they are doing there is no reason why Clemson can’t do that or better.

Clemson could and should be an NCAA tournament team every year. Clemson could and should be in the top five or six in the ACC almost every year. There is no reason other than commitment to excellence that would prevent Clemson from almost every year being among the top schools in that second tier behind the three Blue Bloods!

In my book, anything else is unacceptable especially since we now only have a handful of sports that we are finding! When you have a few sports as we do and generate as much revenue as we do and play in the conference and the region of the country that we do we should be a top program in every sport. The only excuse is the will and commitment!!

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Posted: May 3, 2021, 7:25 PM
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I am sure that UVA, NC State, and Wake, and even GT would argue about where Clemson should finish in basketball. And those are just the "normal-ish" ACC schools. Pitt, ND, and Cuse have a good case too. Wake was so hard-core about it that they fired their coach for posting 25 wins but not advancing to te sweet sixteen. Went into the toilet since.

Miami with Jim L made a splash, kinda got caught, and have been towards the bottom since. FSU has basically kept and invested in a "mediocre" coach and see where they are?


FYI FSU is pouring in 15+ million into the baskietball rpogram right now, Clemson isn't even at 9 million (8.9 I think).I think FSU would be willing to completely cut mens basketball if it got them back to the 90s in football.

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Posted: May 3, 2021, 7:32 PM
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I am sure that UVA, NC State, and Wake, and even GT would argue about where Clemson should finish in basketball. And those are just the "normal-ish" ACC schools. Pitt, ND, and Cuse have a good case too. Wake was so hard-core about it that they fired their coach for posting 25 wins but not advancing to te sweet sixteen. Went into the toilet since.

Miami with Jim L made a splash, kinda got caught, and have been towards the bottom since. FSU has basically kept and invested in a "mediocre" coach and see where they are?


FYI FSU is pouring in 15+ million into the baskietball rpogram right now, Clemson isn't even at 9 million (8.9 I think).I think FSU would be willing to completely cut mens basketball if it got them back to the 90s in football.


You mostly make good arguments, but Leonard Hamilton at FSU mediocre? And don't tell me compared to where he was for a number of years when he started there. Now that is laughable. Where is the spit laugh gif...?

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Not necessarily “mediocre”


Posted: May 3, 2021, 9:37 PM
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But not an instant success either.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonard_Hamilton


At Miami, it took him 8 years to get to the NCAA tournament. Had a few tourney teams then moved to FSU. Where it took him 7 years to reach the NCAA tournament. Had 4 straight appearances then 4 years with none. But FSU stuck with him and they’ve become a regular attendee.

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Posted: May 3, 2021, 10:05 PM
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lol. FSU under Hamilton is a top 12 program and the winningest program after UVa the last four or five years in the ACC. They have top 10 classes every year, and a lot of players in the NBA.

Do any of these things compare to Brad???

You can say all you want about where he started. but his NBA coaching background and a few years of consistent success as his been a springboard for his program.

We are talking about a Hall of Fame Coach especially if he gets to the Final Four which he has come close to already.

Also, knows how to come up with the really good catch phrases for his program a la Dabo. --

--We aren't the blue bloods, but we are the "New Bloods" --

Beats the #### out of Clemson Grit.

Some in the College Basketball Circles thinks that might mean Clemson Grits...lol

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Agree - he’s become very successful


Posted: May 4, 2021, 6:57 AM
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at a (formerly) “football” school. But he still went through some long droughts before really achieving sustained success starting in year 15.

After 11 years at FSU, Hamilton had 4 NCAA appearances with a sweet 16 run. He didn’t get back to the NCAA tournament until year 15.

After 11 years at Clemson Brownell has 3 NCAA appearances with a sweet 16 run.

If the price of achieving basketball success is the catastrophic fall of our football program, count me out. But maybe patience is the key... It can certainly get worse - we’ve seen that firsthand and at plenty of other schools.

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Posted: May 4, 2021, 8:33 AM
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FSU was rumbling that Hamilton was on the "hot seat" just but a few year ago in the early/mid 2010s. A bunch of 8-10 or 9/9 years after his first push.


But I think you missed my point - a very good, if not HOF "coach" at a no-name or at least a non-basketball school (by the way, calling them a former football school is great) might only have "mediocre" success for a very long time. After a while stability becomes an asset. Stability can overcome a few bad years. Even with FSU's recent success, he would have been fired at other programs. Texas would most definitely have canned him. Wake would have canned him after THIS year.


Brad's lift compared to Leonards is heavier. FSU by size and focus has more resources available. They spend more on basketball. And while Barnes was "our best" at 9-7, don't forget that Pat Kennedy won the whole darn thing while also fighting with K and Smith in the early 90s.


FSU isn't a new blood. They are still in the "also ran" category. Maybe also-ran with a chance but they aint new anything.

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Posted: May 3, 2021, 8:59 PM
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CBB is and will always be “average “ and that is on his best day..... and the Clemson big wigs are just fine with that as long as Dabo keeps winning and paying all the bills for them.....CBB better just better be thankful this university administration (he would have and should have been fired years ago) does not give a crap about the basketball program or rather they win or lose as long as they have one of the best football programs in the county which keeps pulling in the big bucks every year for them......very sad that we as Clemson graduates and fans have to always just settle for “average at best” with our basketball program and be happy with that.....Go Tigers!!!!

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How is a fifth place ACC finish and record for most NCAA teams

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Posted: May 3, 2021, 9:25 PM
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beaten in a season at Clemson average?

How is the best basketball graduation rate in Clemson history average?

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Posted: May 3, 2021, 6:52 PM
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Just which flavor of Kool-Aid have you been sipping?

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Posted: May 3, 2021, 7:06 PM
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I am hoping he means a contender for the Final Four almost every year. That is more reasonable...

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Posted: May 3, 2021, 7:52 PM
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Final four team every year??????? You mean in South Carolina, right?

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Posted: May 3, 2021, 10:52 PM
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That Final Four statement may be the most ridiculous one I have ever seen. Basketball is such an individual dominated sport that no team, not even Coach K's Duke makes the Final four every year. I guess realism went out the window years ago.

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Posted: May 4, 2021, 12:55 AM
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I assume you're planning on resurrecting John Wooden.

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Posted: May 5, 2021, 1:02 PM
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YOU NAILED IT!!!

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Posted: May 3, 2021, 7:20 PM
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How can you look into the issue then when asked if Coach Brownell made the alleged comments turn around and say, “ I can’t comment on that, I was not at the practice.”
Something smells really rotten in this explanation. Then D Rad says, “ but I was there after the Miami loss and everybody got a piece of Coach Brownell.”
He was defending Brownell and not addressing the question if he made those statements.
Sounds to me like O’Neil and Wells allegedly will be on a full ride scholarship.

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Live look at Row and Viztits



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Posted: May 3, 2021, 5:13 PM
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Hi my fellow burners and the source


I am going to just start using OP as my response to those who don't understand contracts (ie private vs public base pay reporting) or that 247 ranking don't relate to actual on-court performance

So feel free to use OP for all missed dunks of a post



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Posted: May 3, 2021, 7:00 PM
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Hi my fellow burners and the source


I am going to just start using OP as my response to those who don't understand contracts (ie private vs public base pay reporting) or that 247 ranking don't relate to actual on-court performance

So feel free to use OP for all missed dunks of a post




LMAO

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If DRad said that...

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Posted: May 3, 2021, 4:40 PM
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it tells you all you need about the expectations and the priority level the administration (or at least the AD) places on men's hoops.

All of our athletic programs have different expectations and goals? So much for "best is the standard".

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Posted: May 3, 2021, 4:49 PM
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Also, what did he mean by ' the two game blowouts' after he said we played well in Feb? Did he mean we didn't get blown out in the last two games? Yes, he would be right. lol

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You seemed to completely gloss over the high expectations part.

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Of course all of our programs are judged differently. Why wouldn’t they be?!?

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Either best is the standard for everyone, or...

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Posted: May 3, 2021, 5:53 PM
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it isn't.

Apparently it isn't.

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As I’ve said before

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Posted: May 3, 2021, 6:19 PM
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if we are going to parade around the “best is the standard” line, then let’s not minimize the fact that our assistant coaches are paid less than the national average, our facilities are nowhere near best in the ACC, and our fans support basketball well below the ACC average.

Funny how those important aspects seem to be minimized when “best is the standard” is mentioned.

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Posted: May 3, 2021, 6:33 PM
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Will higher pay yield higher performance?

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Will continuing to repeat the “best is the standard” trope


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yield higher performance?
To answer your question, yes, I believe a larger budget for assistant coaches would help tremendously.

It was the difference between a Dabo-coached team being great as opposed to just good. Look at how our offense improved after hiring Morris. Look at how our defense improved after hiring Venables.

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Posted: May 3, 2021, 7:29 PM
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I don’t want to put words in your mouth but your response seems to insinuate that we should pay more in order to get better people/coaches who will perform at a higher level??

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As the saying goes, you get what you pay for.


Posted: May 3, 2021, 9:37 PM
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Our head coach is in the bottom half of the ACC in salary. Our assistants are paid below the national average. Yet we have people here expecting top 25 recruiting classes, NCAA Tournament appearances every year, an ACC championship, a Final Four appearance, etc.

How reasonable do you think that is?

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I agree with you that our administration has not supported our program as they should. I believe best is the standard should be the case for all of our sports. So, and again I don't want to put words in your mouth, you are essentially saying we should put up bigger bucks to get better basketball coaches from the top to the bottom?
I agree with you that CBB has done well with what he has been given to work with, but only to the best of his ability.

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I bet if our team didn't crap the bed in our post-season


Posted: May 4, 2021, 8:46 AM
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appearances like we did this season that Brad and assistants would have all gotten pay bumps and extensions, moving them all up the pay scale. But alas.

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All of Brad's assistants DID get pay raises.


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And that got us to just below the national median for assistants, rather than farther below the median.

https://theclemsoninsider.com/2021/04/22/clemson-officially-hires-new-coach-extends-contract-for-other-assistants/


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Then why doesn’t Brad give up some of his salary


Posted: May 4, 2021, 6:41 AM
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to increase the assistant coach budget?

I mean, wouldn’t $500k make a pretty big difference there?
Does Brad not think his family could make ends meet with only $2 Million?

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Have you offered to take a pay cut in your job?

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No, I have not.


Posted: May 4, 2021, 12:30 PM
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I think you’re smart enough to know situations are different.

If I got paid $2.5 Million (even with less than stellar results)...and if I knew I could bump that down to “only” about $2 Million or so for a chance to build a better staff around me???
Sign me up right now!

Brad’s situation is basically equivalent to this:
It’s like he’s running a multi-million dollar business that could be performing a lot better. But instead of investing more back into the business, he’s putting it in his executive salary.

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It's not Brad's job to take a pay cut.


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If Clemson is serious about basketball, it will provide the funds to not only pay our coach fairly, but also allow him to get the assistant coaches he needs and have the facilities he needs.

We must ask ourselves if Brownell is paid fairly. He ranks about 50th nationally in head coaching salary - probably lower in reality since private schools aren't required to release those details, and some don't. There are several ways to rank teams on a national basis. We were seeded 27th this year by the NCAA Tournament, which is way better than his pay grade. You can also look at NET, which has been better than 50th three of the last four years. Using those metrics, Brad is underpaid.

Brad's current salary ranks 9th in the ACC. Over the past four years, our average ACC finish has been 6.25. Again, Brad is outperforming his salary.

If Brad were overpaid, and not fulfilling his end of the deal, then one could argue that he could (but definitely not should) take a pay cut. But he is more than fulfilling his end of the deal.

Why should a coach who is being paid a fair market value at best, and underpaid by several metrics, be expected to donate part of his salary just to bring the budget for his assistant coaches up to the national average?!? Quite simply, Clemson needs to pay its assistants above the national average if it expects Clemson basketball to be above the national average.

It's a testament to Brownell's coaching that he's been able to assemble a staff on such a tight budget, then recruit players to a program with fewer resources than many ACC programs, to a program with a worse basketball history than all ACC programs, and have us achieve the level of success we have recently.

You or anyone else trying to paint Brad as greedy or selfish for not donating his salary to compensate for Clemson's athletic department continuing to be cheap when it comes to basketball is ludicrous. It's one of the most asinine things I've ever read here, and it's saying something.

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We’ve seen it happen at Clemson before.


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That coach wasn’t required to do it either. But he had a certain desire for the program, and he found a way.

And don’t tell me that’s a b.s. comparison to Dabo, because it’s not. It’s simply an example of someone taking that initiative before in a similar situation.

You can either complain that your program is not supported, or you can take control of the situation and make something happen. Brad has the means to do that. He just won’t.

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Dabo was given a job he didn't deserve.


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Everyone, including Dabo himself, realized that he wasn't qualified to be the interim coach based on his experience. He also wasn't qualified to be hired as our head coach. He was smart enough to realize that Clemson took a huge chance on him when it could've hired many other more qualified candidates. He didn't forget it, and that is quite admirable.

It's worth noting that Brad took a voluntary 10% pay cut last year as a result of the COVID pandemic. He also agreed to restructure his deal a few years ago, with the agreement that Clemson would increase the budget Brownell requested for support staff. And let's not forget that Brad was the main reason why we have the new basketball facilities, meeting with potential donors over a several year period to raise the funds for them. So Brownell has shown a willingness to work hard and sacrifice for the sake of the program. You should be able to acknowledge that, even though you clearly don't like him and have an agenda to get him fired.

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I admittedly do not know how to respond to this. Literally LOL

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Posted: May 4, 2021, 3:41 PM
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Have a nice day, coach.

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Posted: May 4, 2021, 4:39 PM
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He’s a huge Clemson fan though.

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I am going to stand behind Brad and hope that everyone involved learned something about this experience. I have seen so many posts railing against the young man and his father, some of which accuse the son of being a snowflake and the father as an "over the top" sports dad. Some of it may be justified, just as some of the criticism of Brad may be justified. I bet everyone wishes it had been handled differently.
As a Marine who joined in the Corps in the late 1960's I can attest to what being yelled at and called names and grabbed by the back of the collar (and worse) is like, but we were being trained to go into combat. Basically we were stripped of all of out dignity (and everything else) and then built back up the way the Marine Corps wanted us ....... but we were built back up. If you are continually torn down without being built back up, then there is a failure of leadership. I don't know if that is the case here, but there could be some of it.

Ultimately, I think there is a time and place for everything. That does not mean that the same time and same place is always appropriate. That may be what occurred here in that maybe this was not the time to do what Brad is alleged to have done. I don't know. I guess you would have to have been there and none of us were. I wish O'Neil the best of luck moving forward and will pull for Brad and the basketball team like I always have.

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Shows D rad has no clue about a bb coach ! He fired Leggett for what? D rad needs to go!

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Never said I knew more dip sh it I said it shows d rad is ok with mediocre !

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“I think we can be better”-Dan Radakovich explains his decision to fire Jack Leggett http://goo.gl/fb/ocWD2u

And yet he thinks Brownell is performing good?

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Drad is just as mediocre and clueless than Brad


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If he truly believes that bs.

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Would have liked to have seen more expectations out of program from DRad Seems to be satisfied where we are in wins losses even though Brownell still has overall losing ACC record

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to be remotely close to .500 in ACC play. If that's the standard, he's the best coach in our history. BTW, that's Barnes

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Posted: May 3, 2021, 7:09 PM
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I agree that Barnes is likely the best coach we have had. He can coach. But we did not go all-in with him.

The issue would have been could he have kept Clemson going after his first splash. I say likely, but realistically, we don't know. After Buckner departed, would he have been able to recruit the next NBA cohort. How long would he keep up near/at .500? Would he eventually be labeled "good not good enough" with us because eventually recruiting the likes of Durant (dismissed by UNC) you have to have the whole package.

However, he read Clemson correctly, we would let him leave because his assistant was cheaper.

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Still think regardless of what he says now, next season is critical for Brad's program. Better start getting another couple of players next season including another good transfer. Right now we have 11 players including just one walk on since we lost two last week. 11 won't cut it if we have a big injury or more next season...

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I would like to think that you are right about next year,


Posted: May 3, 2021, 5:57 PM
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but I think this year was supposed to be an "up" year with Simms and next year the expectations within the program and athletic department are a bit lower.

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Dan Radakovich hit the perfect tone with his response to this incident and the state of the men's basketball program. Refreshing to see that an AD has his coach's back rather than being worried about covering his own butt. Perhaps I haven't grown as cynical as some others -- I've only been following the team for the past two seasons -- but even with the early losses in the ACC and NCAA tournaments, the highs have outnumbered the frustrations over that time. Every season will be a challenge to compete with the big boys in this conference, and expectations have to match that reality, but Coach Brownell and his team have represented the University well on and off the court, and Radakovich's comments are a reflection of that.

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Posted: May 3, 2021, 6:36 PM
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I am so glad your experiences are great. I was a freshman in 1967. My experiences for over 50 years of our basketball is not so great.

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Class of ‘71. Went through “rat season” and glad I did.


Sounds like all the proof I need to collect...Time to pay up

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SaltyDudeTiger ... Better not welsh

https://www.tigernet.com/clemson-forum/message/a-years-membership-to-tnet-says-youre-wrong-ace-what-you-28736665


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Dude, that Scok has been banned for a month.

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a new one will pop up, just like he popped up after


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DiamondKnowledge got the bullet...That loser isn't really going away, I just have to identify his new profile...shouldn't take long

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All of our athletic programs have different expectations and goals

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Seriously? WOW. Ofcourse they do but you never admit it publicly.

Mediocrity is acceptable at Clemson for our basketball program. That’s really sad.

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Lol his tweet in 2015 and he says bb hits its mark!



“I think we can be better”-Dan Radakovich explains his decision to fire Jack Leggett http://goo.gl/fb/ocWD2u

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Posted: May 3, 2021, 6:56 PM
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Opinions are like @#$holes so nobody cares what I or anyone says on TigerNet or any other site. There are 3 votes that count, D Rad, President Clements and the collective vote of the Board of Trustees.

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Posted: May 3, 2021, 7:19 PM
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i agree that Brad is our coach moving forward but for those who see him firmly secure here why is buyout still just $425K?

That's why DRad's comments don't budge me at all in thinking Brad is his guy.

There was word that there will be contract extension for Coach this season with just three years left and the buyout is pennies for any major University.

Dollars speak more than words.

Like I said next season is critical for Brad's future here...

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there will be no contract extension I mean...

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Posted: May 3, 2021, 8:09 PM
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I think his buyout is actually $85,000 per month remaining on the contract. But having a coach under 3 years on his contract is definitely not the norm in ACC basketball and is a vote of low confidence. Not counting the Jim “just do whatever the #### you want” Boeheim deal, the last school in the ACC to leave the basketball coach twisting in the wind was Jim Christian at BC. Not exactly the company you want to keep.

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Addresses the complaint? Really? We get marks??

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No comment=I don't know I wasn't there =Yeah he did it. When an AD stoops to graduation rates as a recounting of a great program as the first comment out of the box, then they are really grasping. That's not to say it's not important, it is. However when we recruit, do we go after those with the highest potential to graduate as your benchmark or do you look at physical attributes and talents related to the game? A "program" can tutor almost anyone through 4 years. How many football players graduate in 3 years dealing with way no longer practice periods?

I can't believe we had kids that wanted to walk on. We have scholarship players who are walking off. Why would there be a mass exodus(percentage wise) from a team? Can't win, can't win the big one(first round in the NCAA) no confidence in coaching staff, getting blamed by coaching staff, poor attendance, not having a winning program etc etc. We can't win if we can't recruit and we can't recruit if we can't win-basically. Nobody has built a basketball PROGRAM at Clemson if you define a successful program as having winning in the equation. Some were better than others but name someone who has produced a reliable winner. We have a winner in the first year of girls softball but we can't do it in basketball which has been around for decades. Be honest, if you were a stand out 5 star recruit, would you pick Clemson as the team in the ACC to go to? If no, why would you choose a different school?

Only a couple of percent of people in general are over 6'5" which these days makes you a guard unless you can fly. Way less people are 6'8" tall and then take away all the people who are not college aged and all the ones who can't or don't play basketball. There are close to 2000 colleges and junior colleges for a kid to select-if they are good enough. What does that mean--slim pickings!

Basketball is a whole different animal than football. Football is a large team sport, comrades in arms, families who want the homey folksy type of environment. Basketball is a small team in an inner city sport. How do we get beat by places I have to look up to figure out where they are or more to the point-where they are near? How could College of Charleston consistently field really good teams and we cannot? I don't know the answer and from DRad comments, I'd say he doesn't either.

Whatever the difference between more successful schools and us is not a Brownell problem. It's ALWAYS been a problem. Any old farts remember back around 1970 when USuC owned us?? Frank McGuire and a bunch of NYC kids? Discount the rivalry derision of SC, would anyone choose to attend USuC if you were a 5 star prospect? I'm actually not dissing them - it is simply the perception of the school for turning out NBA talent. Larry Nance and Horace Grant have been our shining stars-high profile guys on winning NBA teams and that's about it. We obviously had a few other players who met with various levels of success..or not but can you look at NBA rosters and expect to see a Clemson guy on one? Can a prospect look on an NBA team and see one? All this stuff adds up with the sum being mediocrity. Change our brand, our mindset, our recruiting philosophy, and yes sometimes a coach on occasions and you can create a program if you have the right information. How do you do that? I don't know. I hope someone figures it out. It will take some serious out of the box thinking!

Brownell ragging some kids is not our problem. He didn't throw bricks at them. He verbally abused them which is almost normal these days. Was it a good thing? No. Should you do that to a kid? No
Should he apologize if he did this-yes. Has this scenario-even if considered a common occurrence caused damage to the program-I think not.

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“If you ain't first, you're last.”
— Ricky Bobby, Talladega Nights:


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1 - In the 70s, the coots left the ACC because they felt that being illiterate should not be a barrier for their "kids" to both play basketball, let alone attend college. So not the best example. We don't accept that dip into the unethical pool.

2 - There are 15 roster spots on 30 teams. So 450 total NBA players.In the NCAA Div 1, there are 350 teams with 13 potential allowable scholarship spots and 2 walkon (ok, the less schools have a bigger mix). Thus there is up to 4550 scholarship college players at a given year. Finally, the average NBA career is 4.5 years so it isn't like there is as much turnover. That is why there are so many of those 4+ Grad transfer kids trying to stretch any potential NBA draft/workout value.

Also, since the Grant/Buckner era, mid-majors have risen and being a "Gonzaga" or even a VCU is nolonger a TV/exposure barrier. That second-tier NBA talent, the non-All American NBA talent, does not have to join a mid-level P5 program to be seen on TV. Thus there is less incentive to go Clemson as compared to the past. Back in the 80s, we WERE the mid/Cinderella cohort. Building a tournament team without the NBA talent pipeline is part of rising and building a program (which Brad is doing IMO)

CofC has had exactly 1 NCAA appearance since 2000. They had a good ruin late 90s but that is it. For a mid-major CAA school, they are not very good. VCU, Richmond, George Mason all jump to the A10 so CofC got left behind. Even Cremmins did do much so not a great example. Funny, Auburn ended CofC in the Tourney, which Auburn was then beaten by.... Clemson.

Ricky Bobby is a fictional comedy tale, the worst quote possible.

Really, to finish first, first you need to finish. You need to build and right bow we are moving up from 8/9 to mid tier, next we need to make the jump upward.

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Posted: May 4, 2021, 4:18 AM
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So there is no denial that Brownell threatened the kids future employment opportunities, which leads one to think it’s likely true. If so, that is not acceptable. It was Covid’s fault. If Rad took these things seriously as he said, don’t you think he would have talked to every kid at the practice and would know what was said. He either knows or doesn’t want to know. Conversations occurred. Wow! Thats great. Let’s talk about culture and graduation rates. Of course these are important, but primary task of a coach is to win games and championships and not much addressed about that. Reminds me of when your buddy tries to set you up on a blind date with his girlfriends best friend. You ask what she looks like and his answer is “she has a great personality”.

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Hopefully Miss McBride will find a safe place to heal.

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