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There's still hope to stay fairly close to SEC and B1G media revenue
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There's still hope to stay fairly close to SEC and B1G media revenue

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Jun 22, 2024, 11:03 AM
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for the ACC's football powers were its members willing to look at a bigger, better picture and agree to a different structure. If we stay the course as is to 2036 half of this league will be in a world of hurt following, and the other half damaged but in a position to recover.

The Solution - go back to divisions in football with a top heavy and bottom heavy approach. The top division would include:

Clemson
FSU
Miami
UNC
NC State
Pitt
Louisville
Va Tech
West Va (A B12 poach)

Other division:
Ga Tech
UVA
Duke
Wake
BC
Syracuse
Stanford
Cal
SMU

6 games within each division.
2 crossover H/H with other division.
1 additional league game where lower division plays @ top division. This in a way would fill our current Group of 5 home slot - it would just be within the league.
Division winners play in title game for the crown.

The big drag on the ACC's value is too much dead weight. This approach significantly ups the volume of attractive matchups annually as bigger programs would play each other more often. It adds extra media content with the extra league game, and that extra game (9th) is always going to occur at the more attractive and media friendly venues.

Our media partner ESPN would invest more towards the league as their weekly content would improve significantly with the skewed scheduling. The dog games that litter the league's schedule would still be there, but now you have much more to offset on the higher side. This additional media investment would go solely to the upper division programs to split amongst themselves, along with the added revenue for a 5th league home game.

SOS would be stronger for the league's competitive programs, we would be leading the way on what a tiered structure would look like for what ultimately lies ahead in the sport, and we could bridge some of the financial gap over the next decade instead of simply all going down together. The teat suckers would keep what they have now, while those providing the meal would be compensated better for doing so. In addition, establish an investment threshold for the lower divisions to put towards facilities or that media revenue gets reassigned to the top.

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How does your plan generate more revenue?

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Jun 22, 2024, 11:22 AM
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The contract with ESPN is locked in at set rates (once ESPN exercises their option) til 2036. They'll appreciate the better games but they aren't obligated to pay any more for them.

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Re: How does your plan generate more revenue?


Jun 22, 2024, 11:54 AM
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Contracts are ripe for negotiations and adjustments. The locked in rates are for the status quo. Were the ACC to offer ESPN something that offers a substantially better product, they would pony up the funds for that greater return - otherwise we would simply stick with the status quo and they would also. I am of the belief that ESPN would up the ante if it were to drive additional eyeballs and grow corresponding ad dollars, which this format would accomplish.

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ESPN has no incentive to renegotiate the contract

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Jun 22, 2024, 12:14 PM
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Due to incompetent ACC leadership they’re currently massively underpaying the league for its media rights. Your plan just amounts to reorganizing the deck chairs on the Titanic.

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If it were in their financial interests to do so they absolutely would.


Jun 22, 2024, 12:29 PM
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It would be corporate malfeasance on behalf of their leadership otherwise. They have a lot vested in the ACC today - sunk costs behind the ACCN that they are looking for a return on over the coming years. If there was an opportunity to accelerate and grow that return behind additional funding it would happen. The scenario I painted allows for that.

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Exactly but it aint gonna be in their interests to blow up this contract


Jun 22, 2024, 12:40 PM
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You argue that the problem with the ACC is the bottom; the top ain’t great either. Outside of Clemson and FSU who is the third most compelling team? Miami, VPI, the holes? If Clemson and FSU compare to Jawja and Bama, who else in the conference compares to Auburn, UTsr, UTjr, LSU OU, FL, AR…. The third most compelling team in the ACC is like 9th place in the ACC. ESPN is looking for the ACC to stay the same and then ride out the wildly favorable contract til it’s end. There is no improving the ACC the only thing that will impact the contract is if FSU or Clemson is able to leave and retain their rights; only then will ESPN have an incentive to make any changes.

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Jun 22, 2024, 1:15 PM
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I agree that the top of the ACC outside of Clemson and FSU could have provided better this past decade. Unfortunately our amorphic division structures Atlantic and Coastal for so long strangled off a lot of better competition over the years for the 2nd tier to gain any real traction or identity. That's where the bottom of the conference has really hurt us, and league leadership forcing poor regular season schedules in hopes of a big one-timer at the end.

Miami is a near-Alpha. They're like Michigan in a way over the past twenty years, where Michigan finally cracked back. Miami could do the same, and should. VA Tech, Louisville, and UNC have all shown chops. Add NC State in here to boot as solid Betas. Those 5 are at least equal to what the Big 12 has 1-5, and compare well with Tenn, Auburn, Florida, and LSU. OK and Tex are Alphas that the SEC added to UGA and Bama. They have 4. We have 2. They have 16 teams, we would be aiming for 9 for football. That makes a difference.

I'm also not suggesting that this would put us on par with the SEC or B1G in terms of what we could accomplish with a top football division for the league, but it could bridge a pretty hearty gap of that.

So I disagree that the ACC can't be improved, and that us and others heavily vested in football can't generate additional media revenue by tweaking the schedule and going All In on a tiered structure in house. It's ultimately coming for the whole sport - why not lead in something for a change.

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Re: Exactly but it aint gonna be in their interests to blow up this contract


Jun 22, 2024, 5:09 PM [ in reply to Exactly but it aint gonna be in their interests to blow up this contract ]
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ESECPN uses the ACC for filling slots they don't have any really completive games set for that time slot!!!

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The perception that the ACC is locked into a fixed rate

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Jun 22, 2024, 12:17 PM [ in reply to How does your plan generate more revenue? ]
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Is a bit of a myth. The ACC is co-owner of the ACCN, the move to new markets also triggers increase in carriage rates from the national tv providers. Everyone had pegged(projections as of last couple years that the gurus failed to update) the ACC distro at mid 30s for this past reporting year. The avg was 8-10 mil higher. The ACC will be significantly behind B10 and SEC based on projections but those #s probably aren’t actually nearly as large as people have been saying because they don’t understand the contracts/have the details. We were told 5 years ago the SEC was projecting at 15-20m more for this year. That # ended up being about $7mil. Devil is always in the details and there are some important details being overlooked. I fully believe the media rhetoric over the gap to be purposeful to drive the conference realignment for the benefit of the broadcasters. These projections have historically been significantly off and I don’t expect that to change. The mysterious ESPN 2027 option being a wildcard. In the end, I bet the ACC sues ESPN at somepoint as they are a partner but have made decisions and used their influence in attempts to devalue the league IMO. Clemson needs to be in the highest “league” whatever that is called, getting there will interesting for sure. NIL bs needs to fixed regardless otherwise college sports will start dying off

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Have you seen the TV contract? If so please proceed immediately to Graham

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Jun 22, 2024, 12:33 PM
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Neff's office because he and his team of lawyers are suing the ACC right now to be able to see it. I’m guessing since they haven’t gotten a copy of it yet you don’t have one either. There’s a lot of people on YouTube and Twitter saying a lot of stuff; I don’t know why anyone bothers to listen to them. All that matters to me is that the leaders at both FSU and Clemson believe they would be at a significant disadvantage financially, and wouldn’t be able to compete with the B1G and SEC, if they stayed in the ACC til 2036. No one else’s opinion matters as much as the folks who have the most intimate knowledge of the financials.

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There are certain facts known based on past disclosure Without seeing the

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Jun 22, 2024, 7:00 PM
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Full Contract. The ACC revenue increases based on adding Comcast to the equation. Previous mention of 2 tiers of subscriber fees from the carriers(markets where team resides vs not). The fact the ACC co-owns the ACCN so there is a split there so that the better the ACCN does, the better the league does. The projections by others the past however many years has proven inaccurate based on actual irs filings. In fact they overestimated the SEC and underestimated the ACC. These #s have been reported. The ACC this year distributed around $44-45mil. The projections by the experts who aren’t even paying attention to the facts that are known were ~$8-10 mil off. Those are facts and undeniable. You don’t need the contracts to know that info. It’s already been disclosed.

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There is zero hope. That ship has sailed.

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Jun 22, 2024, 11:26 AM
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ESPN is not looking to put anymore money into the ACC. They are capped financially going after bigger fish and there aren't any metrics that supports why the ACC should be getting more.

We are gone. Staying would be stupid. In this stage of the college football game it's all about survival now. Time to be proactive, not reactive. You sit and wait and you will die.

We can all spend time not wanting change and clinging to the past and hoping we can keep it that way. Unfortunately that's not reality. I wish things weren't going the direction they are, but it is what it is. At the end of the day I care about Clemson, not the ACC. Trying to stick around and piece together a lower tier conference would do nothing but kill Clemson as a national power. Screw that!

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Jun 22, 2024, 12:08 PM
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If it turns out that we have zero way out until 2036, then there is your sitting and waiting to die, regardless of how proactive and litigious we may be along the way.

I could care less about the ACC, and this is less about saving it or clinging to the past than in putting Clemson in the best possible position we can muster considering the circumstances. I have no issue with other ACC programs benefitting alongside provided we are closing the financial gap.

ESPN would pay extra for a product that delivers extra to them. That's just the way of business. It's not like it would be a favor for anyone here. We can, today, provide them with something more provided they were willing to pay for it. Everyone would win over the course of the next decade and be in a better position following because of it.

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Re: There is zero hope. That ship has sailed.


Jun 22, 2024, 5:14 PM [ in reply to There is zero hope. That ship has sailed. ]
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You can't stop change and who ever tries to stop it will get ran over and left to rot on the side of the road!!!

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Re: There's still hope to stay fairly close to SEC and B1G media revenue


Jun 22, 2024, 5:04 PM
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The best and only way for Clemson and FSU to get paid is to leave the she she conference and go to where the money is, the Big or the SEC!!!

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Re: There's still hope to stay fairly close to SEC and B1G media revenue


Jun 22, 2024, 5:13 PM
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Not seeing it.

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Re: There's still hope to stay fairly close to SEC and B1G media revenue


Jun 22, 2024, 5:18 PM
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The reason you can't see it is bc there isn't a crack big enough to see it from bc the SEC and the Big filled in all the cracks!!!

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Jim? Is that you?


Jun 22, 2024, 5:22 PM
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Better chance of pigs flying

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Jun 22, 2024, 5:49 PM
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The one division for football absolutely sucks.

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Jun 22, 2024, 7:18 PM
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It's the best the East Coast has to offer minus Penn State.

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Jun 22, 2024, 6:21 PM
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How does a restructure of divisions increase money? Lot of work and interesting post but no extra $s come in.

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Jun 22, 2024, 9:44 PM
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Not happening.

We are leaving. Get used to the idea

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Re: There's still hope to stay fairly close to SEC and B1G media revenue


Jun 23, 2024, 9:42 AM
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Unless legal circumstances prevent that, which is a very strong possibility. Versus wallowing around for a decade plus in a lesser structure with waning influence, I would rather chart a course forward within that puts us and others in a similar spot in a better position of strength over that term. This structure over that span could help achieve that, far more so than the status quo.

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After you work it out with ESPN


Jun 23, 2024, 9:54 AM
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and ACC universities who put little effort into football but have received equal income distribution, keep us posted.

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