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Topic: The biggest flaw of the playoff is not limiting the number
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The biggest flaw of the playoff is not limiting the number

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Jun 15, 2021, 6:46 AM
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of teams from any one conference! With the current 4 team playoff, it should be conference champs only, with an 8 team format, no more than two from one conference, and with this 12 team proposal, absolutely no more than three from a conference! If you aren't in the top three of your conference, you don't deserve to be in a playoff! And loading up the 12 team playoff with 4 or 5 SEC teams defeats the whole purpose of expanding, which is to get a broader representation from around the country in the playoff. Yes, I realize the main reason is the money grab, but you get the picture!

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Jun 15, 2021, 7:18 AM
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Fully agree but it should be no more than two teams per conference. Each P5 gets two and the G5/ND gets two. 5 conference champs + 4 SEC + BiG teams totally sucks

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Jun 15, 2021, 7:21 AM
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If you have more than 2 from any conference what was the point of the regular season?

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Jun 15, 2021, 8:53 AM
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Exactly and what would be the point of the conference championship games? This thing is starting to remind me of "you get a trophy" and "you get a trophy" "Everyone gets a trophy". Stick with 4 or certainly no more than 8.

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Jun 15, 2021, 9:57 AM
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yeah once this starts I will likely tunout even if Clemson is in the mix. It is a bunch of stupid solutions for nonexistent problems

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Isnt the point to win a championship on the field?

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Jun 15, 2021, 7:29 AM
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what difference does the conference make?

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Jun 19, 2021, 10:06 PM
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More SEC teams means more money FOR THEM.

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The playoff number should be 6 teams

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Jun 15, 2021, 7:30 AM
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with the top 2 teams getting first round byes. This would allow spots for all conference champions and a non-P5 team(or ND), while still creating in-season drama for the coveted top 2 spots.

The regular season would be better than ever and the playoff would have a bit more parity.

The top two would have a distinct playoff advantage but it would be earned during the regular season.

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Jun 15, 2021, 8:00 AM
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You can bet the SEC threw around their considerable influence and very deep pockets to make sure this decision fell in their favor.

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It hasn't happened yet


Jun 15, 2021, 10:02 AM
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Remember, all the 12-team playoff stuff hasn't happened yet; it's all just talk so far.

There's more talk this week, and likely including restrictions like total number of teams from any individual conference.

I wouldn't be surprised if they come up with a restriction this Thursday, but I would definitely be surprised if we never get a restriction.

In other words, 5 SEC teams in a 12-team playoff isn't happening. We'll see what happens later this week with the next round of talks.

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Jun 15, 2021, 1:03 PM
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% teams, maybe not...but 4 woulad have happened last year.


2020 would have look like: (Actual 2020 rank in () [Thanks Jeff B]

1) Bama (SEC champ) (1) - Bye
2) Clemson (ACC champ) (2) - Bye
3) Ohio State (B1G champ) (3) - Bye
4) Oklahoma (Big 12 champ) (6) - Bye
5) Notre Dame (4) - R1 Host
6) Texas A&M (5) - R1 Host
7) Florida (7) - R1 Host
8) Cinci (AAC champ) (8) - R1 Host
9) Georgia (9)
10) Iowa State (10)
11) Indiana (11)
12) Coastal Carolina (Sunbelt champ) (12)

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Jun 15, 2021, 1:09 PM
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Four SEC teams last year ONLY IF the rules didn't exist the way we're suggesting they should, I suppose.

Fingers crossed I guess, but I wouldn't be surprised if they limited it to 3 or less rather than 4 from any individual conference, for better or worse. The idea of knocking a team lower in the rankings or out of the playoff in spite of the ranking because of the team-limit rule would certainly not be boring!

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I won't bet it doesn't happen! Too much SEC influence & bias


Jun 20, 2021, 9:23 PM
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amongst those that make the rules. When the four team playoff was set up, it was the SEC that insisted that it be the "four best teams", with no limit on the number per conference!

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Jun 15, 2021, 8:10 AM
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This is the same flawed logic that ushered in the participation trophy era.

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Agree with the 3 team limit but hear another "flaw"

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Jun 15, 2021, 8:12 AM
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discussed this AM on ESPNU radio. Danny Kanell is suggesting that the top 4 get screwed by not getting a home playoff game as a result of the bye, so they should get a first round bye AND get to host a quarterfinal game on their home field. I know a rule like this would benefit Clemson, but I think it is too much of an advantage to the top 4. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

If a top 4 team wants to host a playoff game, let them decline the bye and let it go to the #5 team.

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Jun 15, 2021, 8:18 AM
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This is being slapped together to make more money. It will succeed.

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Jun 15, 2021, 8:45 AM
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Step back from the I am afraid and jealous of the SEC roof. To be the best, you have to play the best. A 12 team playoff to determine a National Championship should, and must, include the best teams. Leave it at 4 and there are arguments, move to 8 and there will be arguments and on and on. We are a very important cog in the wheel but decisions are not made to lessen our chances of winning. Many of the readers of TigerNet must not be old enough to remember the old days when only the ACC Tournament Championship made the NCAA Basketball field. I don't want to go back to those days and don't want see that in football either.

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Jun 19, 2021, 9:57 PM
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creeping into these playoff proposals. There is absolutely no sense in allowing more than three teams from a conference in this 12 team playoff proposal. Look no further than last year's final CFP ranking, when UGA was ranked 8th, when no logical person would have had them in the top 10. So, minimize the SEC benefitting from this type of bias, by limiting the number of teams from any one conference in the playoff!

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Jun 15, 2021, 10:07 AM
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As it currently stands, I'd prefer a conference not send 3, definitely not 4 teams.

However, if the system were overhauled such that all FCS teams and lower were eliminated from everyone's schedule (no more Furmans, SC States, FAMUs, East Tenn Valley Sts etc), then I would not be opposed.

Heck, I'd even go further and propose that all non-conference schedules were randomized and set by some independent committee and not set by the schools themselves. How fun would it be to have an unveiling every spring to see who the 3 or 4 non-conference opponents would be (some conferences play 9 game conference schedules while others play 8) and see like Michigan pop up one year and then Oregon pop up another year and maybe not as grand as those to but a school like Iowa or Washington St appear on the schedule? Yeah, you'll get your handful of MAC/WAC etc teams but it'd be worth it I think.

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Jun 15, 2021, 10:14 AM
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I agree with limiting or outright eliminating the FCS & low-tier or "cupcake" games.

The concern is those teams often require that money just to keep their program afloat, but that's still a fixable problem. For example, the money made from bigger matchups would be enough to GIVE that money straight up to those teams instead of paying them for a semi-annual butt-kicking invitational (and likely more money than they get now as well). Bigger games are that much more profitable, and adding more than 2 of them certainly makes me feel optimistic about the added revenue.

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Jun 15, 2021, 1:00 PM
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Without the conference champs are seeded 1-4 rules, this would probably look like

1 seed: SEC champ
2 seed: SEC champ game loser
3 seed: SEC team in second place in SEC west
4 seed: SEC team in second place in SEC east
5 seed: Notre Dame (just because)
6 seed: best 3-loss SEC team
7 seed: B1G champ
8 seed: Big 12 champ
9 seed: ACC champ
10 seed: next best SEC team
11 seed: best Go5 team
12 seed: PAC-12 Champ

If they keep that rule, shuffle a bit:

1 seed: SEC champ
2 seed: B1G champ
3 seed: Big 12 champ
4 seed: ACC champ
5 seed: SEC champ game loser
6 seed: SEC team in second place in SEC west
7 seed: SEC team in second place in SEC east
8 seed: Notre Dame (just because)
9 seed: best 3-loss SEC team
10 seed: next best SEC team
11 seed: best Go5 team
12 seed: PAC-12 Champ

2020 would have look like: (Actual 2020 rank in () [Thanks Jeff B]

1) Bama (SEC champ) (1) - Bye
2) Clemson (ACC champ) (2) - Bye
3) Ohio State (B1G champ) (3) - Bye
4) Oklahoma (Big 12 champ) (6) - Bye
5) Notre Dame (4) - R1 Host
6) Texas A&M (5) - R1 Host
7) Florida (7) - R1 Host
8) Cinci (AAC champ) (8) - R1 Host
9) Georgia (9)
10) Iowa State (10)
11) Indiana (11)
12) Coastal Carolina (Sunbelt champ) (12)

USC (the real one) is left out as Pac 12 champ (ranked 17) by virtue of AAC and Sunbelt champs being ranked higher)

What this proposal ignores is that the conference championships already act as round 1, mostly. In 2020 we already saw Alabama-Florida and Clemson-Notre Dame and Oklahoma-Iowa State in those conference championship games. But this format would give them yet another bite at the apple. Plus it would let teams that could not even win their conference DIVISION (let alone the conference championship) into the playoff (A&M was 2nd in SEC West, UGA was 2nd in the East)?

For exciting every upset (say Cinci over UGA in 2020 example) that people will point to every 5 years to say "See, they deserved to be there! That's why we need to expand to 16 teams in the playoffs!" there will be boring lopsided games that had no business being played in the first place, which will end up just setting up rematches (possibly 3rd games, e.g. if ND had been ranked 7th and both Clemson and ND won their games, that would have been a 3rd game).

Killing the golden goose is what they're doing.

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So it shouldn't be the 4 best teams?***


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Jun 20, 2021, 8:25 PM
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Nah there are plenty of times where it is needed for more than 1 team from a certain conference. Also, 12 teams is needed for the good of college football as far as the business side goes. I think it is going to be excited. The ratings have been tankjng in some large markets. Its just business. The TV ratings will be through the roof.

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Jun 20, 2021, 9:40 PM
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If you start with conference champions getting in automatically, you starting off wrong. Having said that that will also make way for more sec teams. I say stay at four maybe go to six at most. Alot of things that make college football great and unique will be gone.

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