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So we really have a glorified flu shot, not a vaccine.

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Aug 5, 2021, 5:02 PM
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Not trying to get hogtied and drug through the T-Net, but media continually characterizes this double pluck most of us received as a vaccine.

Although technically correct, the term engenders mental models of other historic vaccines that have all but completely eliminated modern illnesses, i.e. polio.

That’ mental model is simply not correct. I would contend that, functionally, what we’ve received is a glorified flu shot. Works perfectly on the strain(s) it targets, on mutations less so, and not at all on extreme variants.

In my view, many have reacted to this reality by blaming and shaming the unvaccinated with the underlying thesis of, “if we just ALL did it RIGHT, we’d be at herd immunity already.” But is that so?

There have systemically been long lags between the vax’d and unvax’d. Many developing nations are months or a year behind the U.S., and now accounts are trickling in(and multiplying) of people who were vaccinated and still got Covid(a mutation of it) that have left the most vulnerable sick or worse.

So, if you buy into this line of reasoning, how long are we going to live this way? What is the real problem statement? How many lockdowns, new experimental vaccines, experimental boosters, masked up thricely parties are we going to endure?

####, why haven’t we had a world wide flu shot ho-down intended to largely eliminate the flu from the face of the planet??

—Because we can’t. It mutates. Fast. Faster than our responses. Why should I believe Covid will behave any different? Why should I believe we haven’t reached that point already?

If any of this is materially way off the reservation, please correct me for it.


My own sense is that Covid is not a passing virus that is just a shot away from erasure if we do it right. It’s now woven into our world, and once we do the yoemans work of getting as many vaccinated as possible, it’s mutated third and fourth cousins will still be out there ready to setup shop inside of Mark Packer, me, or anyone else on the receiving end of a wet sneeze.


Now shoot me.

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Aug 5, 2021, 5:10 PM
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TAKE THE VAccine and stop looking for excuses not to! You need to protect others even if you don't care about yourself!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Aug 5, 2021, 5:21 PM
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I received the vaccine in March.

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Aug 5, 2021, 9:37 PM
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You are a true hero!

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Sep 8, 2021, 12:38 PM
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https://www.tigernet.com/clemson-forum/covid-117


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Aug 5, 2021, 5:27 PM
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Who would he be protecting? Those that are vaccinated are already safe, right? Those who are unvaccinated had the chance to get vaccinated, right? There might be a few out there that can't get vaccinated and they are at risk either way apparently. So, I ask again who is he protecting?

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Didn't you know that you can catch it a second time even though vaccinated?

Ask Senator Lindsey Graham. Therefore, I will try to protect myself from those not vaccinated.

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Aug 6, 2021, 10:01 AM
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Say that really loud while looking in the mirror….maybe even some shaking hand motions. Let me know what you think.

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Aug 5, 2021, 5:13 PM
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Aug 5, 2021, 5:19 PM
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huh??????

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Aug 5, 2021, 5:20 PM
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Anyone who believes medical advice on a college athletics website deserves the results he/she receives.

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Aug 5, 2021, 5:23 PM
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The only medical advice I advocated is to take the vaccine like I did.

What parts of my argument do you disagree with?

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Aug 6, 2021, 12:23 AM
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The vaccine doesn’t do a dang thing. I got covid the first time and was asymptomatic along with the rest of my family. Got the vaccine bc my wife works in healthcare and thought it was important. Got
Covid again my wife and I had bad symptoms similar to the flu. My kids who didn’t get the vaccine were asymptomatic and playing like normal.

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Aug 6, 2021, 10:05 AM
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Then why are wrll over 90% of the people in the hospital and dying not vaccinated. Right now in Houston that over 100 people on ventilators. 100% of them are non vaccinated. I spent 7 days in the hospital with Covid on oxygen. It sucks. I am glad I am vaccinated now. There is no reason not to be vaccinated.

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Sep 8, 2021, 12:27 PM
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ClemTigs® said:

Anyone who believes medical advice on a college athletics website deserves the results he/she receives.




And, anyone who is coerced into getting a vaccine from a college athletics website deserves the results he/she/it/they receives.

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Aug 5, 2021, 5:22 PM
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A flu shot is a vaccine, Einstein.

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Aug 5, 2021, 5:28 PM
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I called that out.

The Covid vaccines were marketed to the public as THE answer that will forever end this.

The reality is that it’s perhaps a little better than a flu shot.


In my opinion that’s a very stark distinction with even starker implications.

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Aug 5, 2021, 11:41 PM
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Most people on here have embarrassing reading comprehension levels. What you’re saying makes sense and I believe the same.

People that disagree need to understand that there have been other coronaviruses in the past that result in the common cold. While this is something new and more dangerous, it’s here to stay like the rest.

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Aug 6, 2021, 7:07 AM
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ddraines® said:

I called that out.

The Covid vaccines were marketed to the public as THE answer that will forever end this.

The reality is that it’s perhaps a little better than a flu shot.


In my opinion that’s a very stark distinction with even starker implications.



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Sep 8, 2021, 1:49 PM
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I don't ever recall vaccines being marketed to the public in that way. They were billed as the way to combat it, limit its spread, and eventually corral it to the point where it doesn't have such an outsized and deadly impact on society, our economy, and way of life. In fact I don't even recall Donald Trump putting it the way you did as he took credit for Operation Warp Speed, and that is saying something.

None of the masking, social distancing, treatments, vaccines, any of it has been deemed to be 100% effective. Together though all of these steps add up to the best tool to help it die out, before it mutates into something that outpaces our defenses.

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This is an interesting topic.

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Aug 5, 2021, 5:27 PM
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COVID has been so politicized I think basic science and logic have not been applied to develop a good solution.

I'm always skeptical when politicians act like experts-regardless of the topic.

Early infection rate models were WAY wrong and the latest reports of infection are vague.

BTW, I have been vaccinated but now understand I might need a booster and that I will still have to wear a mask.

I thought the vaccine was going to eliminate the mask??

And I was reading some of the published papers on COVID research in the CDC website's Science section and it looks like there were over 480 mutations of COVID in one test. SMH...

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Your mask would be eliminated if ....


Sep 8, 2021, 1:31 PM
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the unvaccinated were vaccinated. Ironic, isnt it ? I had a bad case of covid eight months ago. And got the j and j vaccine four months ago. I seldom wear a mask unless i am in doctors office or pharmacy or, sometimes, in a close indoor environment.

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I've not heard any medical opinions saying that


Sep 10, 2021, 9:45 AM
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those who had the vax and still got COVID caught it from people who did not get the vax. The assumption, therefore, is that getting vaccinated keeps you from transmitting it, even though it doesn't keep you from contracting it.

The bottom line is that we have NO IDEA who those who tested positive AFTER getting the vax contracted it. If you can catch it after getting the vax, then it would follow that you could still transmit it as well. Logic.

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Aug 5, 2021, 5:28 PM
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Something relevant that is being overlooked and ignored is the various effective treatments. Does anyone remember Remdesivir? HCQ is extremely effective in conjunction with Vitamin E, D and Zinc. Quercetin too. How we went straight to vaccine stinks to high heaven. This is all about perpetual income for drug companies. Wake up people.

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Something relevant that is being overlooked and ignored is the various effective treatments. Does anyone remember Remdesivir? HCQ is extremely effective in conjunction with Vitamin E, D and Zinc. Quercetin too. How we went straight to vaccine stinks to high heaven. This is all about perpetual income for drug companies. Wake up people.


AMEN!!!!

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I think most studies show ivermectin is more effective than HCQ...

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Aug 5, 2021, 10:25 PM
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And definitely take a high dose of Vit D...at least 5000 IU daily. I'm currently taking ivermectin weekly, along with daily doses of 8000 IU of Vit D, as well as Vit C, Zinc & Quercetin.

For more info, check out https://covid19criticalcare.com/

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Also, the ivermectin appears to be effective against all variants!

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Aug 5, 2021, 10:33 PM
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You may have your reasons not to get vaccinated, but there is no logical reason not to take ivermectin! It's probably one of the safest drugs ever developed and has been approved for human use for almost 40 years! And it costs about a dollar a dose.

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Aug 6, 2021, 12:15 AM
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I forgot about Ivermectin. I just wanted to make a point. Thanks for the reminder.

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Aug 6, 2021, 12:45 AM
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One more thing about Remdesivir is it was basically ready and waiting for a Sars outbreak because effective treatments are easier to develop than effective vaccines and it had been in the works for at least 4 years. I guess the $800 -$1,000 price per pill knocked it out of contention as a practical solution, so an experimental "vaccine" that wasn't properly vetted was foisted on us. Follow the money.
To #### with those gave me the thumbs down. I haven't posted a single incontrovertible sentence.

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Aug 6, 2021, 11:48 AM
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Amen again!

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Sep 8, 2021, 1:33 PM
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You are talking about treatment, not prevention and not vaccination. Different level of discussion. Why someone would want to take on a delta variant is beyond me. Expenses on the patient , burden on the health care system, and risk of dying. I just dont get it.

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The virus mutates or changes into new forms...

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Aug 5, 2021, 5:32 PM
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and every time the virus replicates in a host (an infected person), it can and/or does mutate.

As someone pointed out on this forum a day or so ago, some of those mutations may be resistant to the vaccine while while others aren't.

The point is, the more people who get vaccinated, the less likely the virus can mutate because antibodies stop the virus from replicating and/or mutating.

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Aug 5, 2021, 6:02 PM
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BifCu said " The point is, the more people who get vaccinated, the less likely the virus can mutate because antibodies stop the virus from replicating and/or mutating."

You better check your science on that statement . If that were true then the flu would have died out after the advent of the flu vaccine .

Your anti-bodies have nothing to do with virus mutation . Anti-bodies in the body help the host fight off infection .

The Frankenjab isn't a vaccine in the truest sense of the word. it is a gene editing mRNA shot.

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You’re conveniently leaving out the fact that the flu vaccine

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Aug 5, 2021, 6:48 PM
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is typically only about 30-50% effective against a given flu season’s dominant strains.

Conversely, the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines were shown to be 95% effective against COVID. That’s a huge difference in efficacy.

It’s not unreasonable to think that if 80+ percent of Americans had gotten the COVID vaccine, it could’ve been eradicated or at the very least minimized to nearly undetectable levels.

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Aug 5, 2021, 6:56 PM
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I don’t think so.

In an extent of your own comparison, if the flu vaccine were designed to conquer only one or two strains(targeted) it would achieve much higher efficacy against those strains.

You’re drawing the box around the U.S. assuming time isn’t a variable. If we all had a simultaneous, worldwide vaccine taking ceremony, that would be the gold standard, right?

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Aug 5, 2021, 9:19 PM
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Biden's original goal was 100 million vaccines in his first 100 days in office. We hit that goal with time to spare. People said that it was impossible to have a vaccine in the time frame that it was developed. We have 3 approved in the US and several others being given elsewhere in the world.

As a country, and even as a world-wide community, in my opinion we have done pretty darn good and are in a much better position than any reasonable person would have thought that we would be in a year ago. Why do so many people feel the need to criticize others? Of people that are higher risk, we are well over 80% vaccinated.

The vaccine has not been approved for 15% of our population. To get to 80% of Americans, we need 94% of the approved population to get vaccinated. Do you really think that is reasonable? If you were 17, and in good shape would you get vaccinated? There have been less than 400 deaths of Americans, 17 and under, due to COVID, and we are likely in single digits of people without other conditions.

Without expecting individuals that have virtually no danger from the virus to get vaccinated, we cannot get to 65% much less 80%. I believe that the original poster is correct and this is going to be something that we are going to have to live with for several years to come. It is not anyone's fault unless you have unreasonable expectations.

Let's be thankful that we are in the position that we are in. There have been millions of deaths world-wide and that is sad to think about. There will be many more and that is regrettable. However, there are very few people who really thought that we would be in this position a year ago. A year from now we will be in a better position still. Go and enjoy your life and enjoy making new friends without worrying whether they have the same opinions on immunization as you. If you don't want to, hide in your house. Amazon will deliver you groceries and you won't have to worry about COVID.

I am going to enjoy my life. That is going to include extensive travel, and hopefully, include getting to know many new people and I will guarantee that part of that will not include me asking if they have been vaccinated. I have been vaccinated and even though I am older, I should be fine even if I contract the virus. If I am not, then I will die knowing that I lived my life and didn't waste it.

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Aug 5, 2021, 11:52 PM
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Mutations are occurring before the vaccines were even released. Pfizer’s ceo has said the effectiveness of the vaccine drops over time, as much as 10% over 6 months.

Data coming out with infections in vaccinated by the delta variant will surely put a dent in that 95%. Look at the latest studies from Israel related to vaccinated infections. Some of the most vaccinated countries are the ones showing the highest case numbers.

This thing is here to stay. Time to stop pointing fingers and making ridiculous claims and learn to live with it.

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You're leaving out that the human immune system is 99% effective against Covid 19. Why take a vaccine that's less effective?.

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Aug 6, 2021, 7:05 AM
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So you don't end up in the hospital or get sick in general. The unvaccinated are taking all of the hospital beds and straining the system.. It's not all about death. Might as well think of others too.

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Sep 8, 2021, 1:36 PM
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buckhead, a virus cannot mutate if it doesnt replicate.. Never forget that.

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the fact remains that this injection is :

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An emergency measure.
An experimental gene therapy.
Not formally approved by the FDA.
Like it or not those are the facts.
As of right now whether or not you take it is a personal choice.
How you feel about that is a personal choice.
When that changes to an enforceable mandate is the day our country changes forever.
“Let me see your papers”
Where have we heard that before?

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At our border?

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Aug 6, 2021, 12:25 AM
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Which is where that question definitely needs to be asked.

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Tell me more about this "gene therapy?"

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That sounds interesting!

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Aug 5, 2021, 5:47 PM
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Well said sir.

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So If You're Vaccinated....

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Aug 5, 2021, 5:57 PM
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you want me vaccinated to be protected . OK....I want you to carry a gun ( get the CWP of course) to help protect folks when you're out in public . Don't like guns...so what, you gotta get one to help protect society from bad people .

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Aug 5, 2021, 6:18 PM
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Apples to NUTS comparison, and you just proved it.

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wearing a mask is your only protection

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plus it sends a signal that you care

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That's the key to the Pro-Vaxxer argument; try to convince..

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...everyone else that you're 100% altruistic.....you're *ONLY* thinking about your neighbor, "the good of the country", and of course it's all about patriotism...LOL..

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I believe a bigger threat to T-Net are members who daydream

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about ways to stifle or punish the free exchange of ideas.

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"####, why haven’t we had a world wide flu shot ho-down intended to largely eliminate the flu from the face of the planet??"

Because we don't have hundreds of thousands of Americans dying in a year from the flu, and that's without any masks, lockdowns, or social distancing. COVID-19 is about 10 TIMES more deadly than the flu.

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Aug 5, 2021, 6:45 PM
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The flu kills between 30,000-65,000 every year in the U.S.

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Approximately 600 this flu season, 22,000 the year before &


Aug 5, 2021, 7:26 PM
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34,000 the year before that and 61,000 the year before that have died from the flu, according to the CDC. The number for this year is an estimate based upon a death total of 450 in mid march.

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It's amazing how the flu was almost non-existent this year..

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.things that make you go hmmm...

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Aug 5, 2021, 9:42 PM
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If the flu virus was a novel virus that had not gone through billions of iterations where natural selection removed individuals vulnerable to the virus and a natural immunity had not been developed, would that be the case? In a couple of years when COVID has gone through this cycle will that be the case? Since the flu has been as deadly if not deadlier for the younger generation, should they be required to get a flu shot or exempt from the COVID shot?

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its here to stay like the flu. And no matter what USA did

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or did not do by way of vaccination, it would have made no difference since the rest of the world was/is far away from being vaccinated. Every USA man, woman, child, other,it, could have taken vaccine and somewhere in the world a mutation/variate would have emerged and ended up in the US. To blame anyone other than the CCP is ridiculous.

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"To blame anyone other than the CCP is ridiculous."


***THIS***

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The flu shot is a vaccine, moran.

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you people are unbelievable.

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I stated as much in the second sentence of my original post that you didn’t read yet mindlessly judged.

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This is new and unfolding in front of our eyes

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But my uneducated brain agree with the idea it's a flu shot

The difference in my head in terms of vaccination is the belief that if we all got vax, we would SLOW mutations, not stop them..

In doing so, giving the professionals A CHANCE to catch up and come up with something to keep us safe long term.

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I agree 100%, and thanks for your honest perspective in your other post.

The point of my post is to challenge the way the vaccine has been marketed by politicians and the media, not whether it should be employed.

In my view there is a wide mismatch in perception between vaccine expectations and reality. If we can reconcile that disparity, we’ll also likely adopt more reasonable, sound policies that protect people and keep life moving forward. A lot of folks can’t endure another repeat of how 2020 was managed. Our system and life itself has to function.

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“The point of my post is to challenge the way the vaccine has been marketed by politicians and the media,“

Very noble and intellectual of you. Seriously, congratulations on getting vaccinated, now go find a hobby, you’re spending way too much time twisting yourself into semi circular logic.

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“The point of my post is to challenge the way the vaccine has been marketed by politicians and the media,“

Very noble and intellectual of you. Seriously, congratulations on getting vaccinated, now go find a hobby, you’re spending way too much time twisting yourself into semi circular logic.

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Aug 5, 2021, 7:36 PM
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Food for thought.

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Aug 5, 2021, 7:44 PM
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Don't need to shoot you. You're already mentally dead.

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Aug 5, 2021, 8:32 PM
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This virus will not be eradicated. That’s not realistic. It will pop up as a seasonal flu for many years. We will need to understand that and live life.

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Aug 6, 2021, 6:30 AM
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We might want to build more hospitals.

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Aug 5, 2021, 9:31 PM
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How true... It will be around as long as these liberals are in control. God bless America.

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Aug 5, 2021, 9:40 PM
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Viruses mutate. I think we will have some form of it around for the foreseeable future. I wish I thought otherwise.

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Aug 6, 2021, 12:03 AM
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U wanna play cards?

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Aug 6, 2021, 1:52 AM
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Those historical ailments you referred to weren't a type of virus that mutated this fast. Your comparison is just a straw man. If everyone could have had the vaccine sooner there wouldn't be any variants. So to call it a flu is not only disingenuous,it's also dangerous as the longer we don't achieve heard immunity, the more likely an even worse variant might crop up. Its people like you ...

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Aug 6, 2021, 7:12 AM
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Was this meant for the original post? The historical ailment he compares it to is the flu. The flu mutates even faster because there are already numerous strains for it to mutate from. As for COVID, there were already variants before the vaccines were ever approved. Herd immunity was a great goal, but I am not sure that it was ever a realistic one. Maybe we will eventually get ahead of it, but the existing vaccines have proved better at mitigating the effects than actually eliminated the disease. It is likely to take a while.

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Aug 6, 2021, 9:49 AM
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“its people like you …”

Go on. Sounds like you’ve already got a full narrative including who to blame already conjured.

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Aug 6, 2021, 12:10 PM
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A full narrative, based on none of the facts. Mutations were around before the vaccines. They wouldn’t have prevented anything.

Gibraltar has 99% vaccination and got on it quick. Why are their cases suddenly climbing?

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Sep 8, 2021, 11:56 AM
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https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/07/who-says-covid-is-here-to-stay-as-hopes-for-eradicating-the-virus-diminish.html


The vitriol over my original post is telling. Half of respondents didn’t even read it, yet lashed out to TD and opine anyway.

How about now?

Perhaps I’ll refresh again after another month or two.

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Sep 10, 2021, 9:53 AM
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critical early weeks. They dragged their feet declaring it an international emergency, and their recommendations were too late.

This pandemic has been called our modern day Chernobyl, and the WHO played a significant role in that.

I am not saying that their current opinion about COVID being here to stay is incorrect, but forgive me if I'm slow to accept what they say as truth.

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Sep 8, 2021, 12:22 PM
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Pharisaic vaxxers come out and TD it.

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Sep 8, 2021, 1:47 PM
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Sooner or later people need to realize that you are free to do as you please. Get vaccinated or not. And we all can still get along. Australia is literally building covid camps that look just like the concentration camps. Go look it up.

I used to always wonder why nobody stopped the genocide in Nazi Germany. Now I see how it could happen...

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Pretty accurate. Also there is good evidence that the wide-


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spread rollout of the vaccine actually caused the delta variant.

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