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Since we are all agreed that we shouldn’t have lost to Boston College
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Since we are all agreed that we shouldn’t have lost to Boston College

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Jan 16, 2022, 2:12 PM

then we should also be just as eager to point out that we shouldn’t have beaten Virginia and NC State.

No, I’m not arguing for mediocrity, inconsistency, or any other ridiculous trope that keeps getting posted here. I just want people to be reasonable.

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Re: Since we are all agreed that we shouldn’t have lost to Boston College

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Jan 16, 2022, 2:14 PM

We are clearly better than UVA, we should have beat them twice.

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Jan 16, 2022, 2:17 PM

And NC State is utter dog poop this year. They look chaotic, undersized, and far from a winning team.

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Re: Since we are all agreed that we shouldn’t have lost to Boston College

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Jan 16, 2022, 3:06 PM


And NC State is utter dog poop this year. They look chaotic, undersized, and far from a winning team.



Clemson 'fans' minimizing team wins and accomplishments by downgrading our opponents.....

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Re: Since we are all agreed that we shouldn’t have lost to Boston College


Jan 16, 2022, 4:08 PM

The above was pretty much a direct quote between my buddy and me prior to and during that game. Nothing against Clemson by their status - we should win those - refuting OP that it wasn't the expectation.

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Re: Since we are all agreed that we shouldn’t have lost to Boston College


Jan 16, 2022, 6:15 PM

State's season when to hell when they lost Manny Bates.

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NC State has a better basketball history than we do


Jan 16, 2022, 4:27 PM

and they spend more money on it than we do. They have outrecruited us in recent years and have better fan support than we do.

But we beat them. Give our coaches and players credit.

It’s strange to act like we should just win every game, as if it’s a given, but freak out when we lose.

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Re: NC State has a better basketball history than we do


Jan 16, 2022, 6:27 PM

So you think a team that traditionally has had success, fan support, and funding AUTOMATICALLY is better than teams that traditionally have less success, fan support, and funding?

You think that a team with better recruiting rankings is AUTOMATICALLY better than teams with lower recruiting rankings?

I’m pretty sure this post right here is why you get so much crap. It shows your lack of understanding sports.

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Of course they aren’t automatically better.


Jan 16, 2022, 6:34 PM

But they have a much easier path to success than the team that doesn’t have those things.

That’s why many of you sound so ridiculous when you gripe about Clemson not being better at basketball, but have no desire to start devoting more resources toward it.

How many ACC football programs who prioritize football among the lowest in the ACC should expect to consistently be among the top tier of football teams?

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Re: Of course they aren’t automatically better.


Jan 16, 2022, 7:41 PM

Judge I’m season ticket holder on second row last night. That was painful to watch. Hard to defend, not criticizing effort but Earl Grant had his team playing lights out even when down 23!

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Please reread my original post in this thread.


Jan 16, 2022, 7:55 PM

I’m not defending the loss last night. We should’ve won.

Last night’s game is not even the point of this thread.

The point is that if we are going to (understandably) be upset about losing games we shouldn’t, we should also recognize when we win games we shouldn’t.

It should go both ways.

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Re: Of course they aren’t automatically better.


Jan 16, 2022, 8:07 PM

What does any of that have to do with ONE season. Believe it or not, Clemson can be better than NC St for a year, but still not be a very good team.

That easier path you mentioned isn’t going draw up plays and coach up players to win games and be great every year.

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Re: Of course they aren’t automatically better.


Jan 16, 2022, 8:13 PM

Do you honestly think any of us minions make an impact?

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Judge cmon

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Jan 16, 2022, 6:47 PM

This is really weak. You are scraping the barrel for material now.

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Jan 16, 2022, 7:52 PM

You almost wonder why we play the games at all? By his logic we should just forfeit and then play for sheer enjoyment without keeping score.

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Rather than continuing your strategy of attacking me


Jan 16, 2022, 7:56 PM

why don’t you tell me what you disagree with about my post?

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Cause you’re not doing these in good faith


Jan 16, 2022, 8:11 PM

You are creating red herring arguments about the history of Virginia and NC State’s programs and somehow making it about Brownell but distracting from the actual point.

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Re: NC State has a better basketball history than we do


Jan 16, 2022, 7:14 PM

I like our team. Just feel like they're underachieving.

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Okay, fair enough.


Jan 16, 2022, 7:58 PM

What is that feeling based on?

Preseason expectations? Perceived talent level relative to other teams?

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But the point is, we shouldn’t be better than UVA.


Jan 16, 2022, 4:25 PM

They won a national championship a few years ago. They have one of the best coaches in college basketball. They have outrecruited us. They spend way more on basketball than we do, they have a better basketball history than we do, and the sport is better supported by their fans.

Give our coaches and players credit for beating them.

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Re: But the point is, we shouldn’t be better than UVA.

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Jan 16, 2022, 4:33 PM

But as you so eloquently stated earlier, when referring to our football program, all that matters is today and the current season… we are not elite, too 15-20, etc. UVA IS NOT ELITE. What they did in the past doesn’t matter, they are a bad/average team this year. You can’t have it both ways, this is a point you made today or yesterday. The point you are making with this post is unclear and not thought out, all over the place.

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There you go, putting words in my mouth again.


Jan 16, 2022, 6:31 PM

I never said that what happened in the past doesn’t matter for football. It matters a lot in recruiting and publicity. But it doesn’t mean that we are elite despite more recent evidence to the contrary.

With that said, it absolutely means that we should beat NC State and Pitt in football. Those were really inexcusable performances for a program with all of the advantages we have that they don’t.

Regarding this conversation, UVA isn’t elite in basketball this year. I never said they were. But they are still a program that should beat us based on their recent success and recruiting.

This isn’t difficult to understand.

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Re: There you go, putting words in my mouth again.


Jan 16, 2022, 8:09 PM

While I appreciate your passion, none of yours reply makes sense… I used to respect your opinions and debates but you don’t even care now. Opinions don’t matter facts don’t matter. Good luck my man.

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Re: But the point is, we shouldn’t be better than UVA.


Jan 16, 2022, 6:13 PM

NC State's last National Champ was 40 years ago

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Okay. I was talking about UVA winning one recently.


Jan 16, 2022, 6:25 PM

But yes, you are correct that NC State won one in the 80s.

That’s still way better than anything we’ve ever accomplished in Clemson basketball history. We hang our hats on one Elite Eight over 40 years ago, and one time when we were ACC runners up. LOL!

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Re: Okay. I was talking about UVA winning one recently.


Jan 16, 2022, 6:31 PM

So you think Clemson can’t be better than NC St for one season because they won a championship 40 years ago and traditionally have had better success, fan support, and funding?

And that doesn’t mean Clemson is a great program either. That just means NC St is having a bad year, no matter what their recruiting ranking is. It happens to traditionally good teams all the time.

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I do think we can be better than NC State for one season.


Jan 16, 2022, 6:45 PM

And when we are, it should be recognized as an accomplishment due to good coaching and player development, and not a birthright just because we want to be better at basketball.

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NC State is 2-5 in the ACC and 9-9 overall this year


Jan 16, 2022, 6:48 PM

That has nothing to do with Brownell’s coaching prowess.

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So if we beat someone who should be better than us


Jan 16, 2022, 7:59 PM

then it’s because they are underachieving and can’t possibly be due to anything we did well?

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They are underachieving


Jan 16, 2022, 8:02 PM

I don’t see how you could even begin to deny that. So getting a win over them is not really a brag worthy moment. Especially coupled with a loss to BC

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Re: So if we beat someone who should be better than us


Jan 16, 2022, 8:09 PM

Lol.

THEY ARE UNDERACHIEVING! They duck this year.

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Re: So if we beat someone who should be better than us


Jan 16, 2022, 8:10 PM

*suck

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We loss many more that we shouldn't than win ones we shouldn’t***

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Jan 16, 2022, 2:14 PM



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Lose***


Jan 16, 2022, 2:15 PM



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What is that statement based on?


Jan 16, 2022, 4:31 PM

I’d love to see your list of ACC teams you think we should beat and your list of ACC teams you think we shouldn’t beat.

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Why would there be a list of teams we “shouldn’t beat”?***


Jan 16, 2022, 6:19 PM



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Because there are a lot of schools that put forth more time


Jan 16, 2022, 6:47 PM

and energy and money than we do when it comes to basketball, and have for many decades.

Why do you think we should beat every team? Just because to want to see our team win? LOL

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Re: Since we are all agreed that we shouldn’t have lost to Boston College

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Jan 16, 2022, 2:20 PM

So you’ve moved from gaslighting to outright lying to keep hopes alive? Even after yesterdays debacle we’re 89th in RPI. Virginia is 107 and NC State is 160. So we should have won all of those games.

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I’m not lying about anything.


Jan 16, 2022, 8:00 PM

But you continue with your personal attacks. When do you plan on stopping?

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We disagree


Jan 16, 2022, 2:27 PM

Boston College is ahead of us in the conference, and has FAR superior coaching. They also recruit our own backyard better than we do, as we give zero effort in recruiting and our staff just watch the clock and cash checks.

Just because they hadn’t won a road game in over 700 days doesn’t mean we should have won. We might be the worst team in the conference this season. Despite investing more than many schools.

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It’s reasonable to be happy for the progress made.

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Jan 16, 2022, 2:30 PM

Wins at UVA and NCST are welcome and celebrated. Not questioned.

It’s reasonable to be unhappy with last night.

So no I don’t think we should be as eager to question road wins vs bad home losses.

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Jan 16, 2022, 3:16 PM

Wait...huh?

We should have won all those games. The ACC is and has been absolute hot dog water this year and last. I wish Brownell would have taken advantage of that considering.

On another note. If the ACC is gonna just keep focusing on being a basketball conference and not even be consistently good at that, I do wish Clemson would just leave this conference. They do no favors for us these days.

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Jan 16, 2022, 3:19 PM

Man! Hot dog water - that brings home the visual right there.

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Nice try, considering you’re completely out of ideas.

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Jan 16, 2022, 3:24 PM

NCST is terrible.

And it’s not that hard to win at UVA this year. Wake just did it last night.

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Re: Since we are all agreed that we shouldn’t have lost to Boston College

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Jan 16, 2022, 3:27 PM

Don’t pay any attention to Judge as he is a troll playing you like a fiddle.

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Jan 16, 2022, 3:49 PM

Give it up JK. Your tomes are falling on deaf and tired ears.

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Re: Since we are all agreed that we shouldn’t have lost to Boston College


Jan 16, 2022, 3:49 PM

Those were two good wins. Looking a little closer at those games though, to be perfectly honest, WE DID NOT PLAY THAT WELL. Virginia and NCSU played atrociously, and that is why we won. Under CBB, we do not win games when the other team plays reasonably well. If you watch the games closely, it is apparent to me that CBB cannot piece together a coherent offense.

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OK Coach, What is your next play? Let's also leave out

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Jan 16, 2022, 4:13 PM

blaming a team's mediocrity on crowd attendance! That has been your go too for the past 8 years I've been on this site. And $60million dollars in renovations ain't nothing to sneeze at. So you must also leave out monetary backing of the basketball program.
What you got left, sir?

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Sigh***

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Jan 16, 2022, 4:22 PM



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I'm sorry but your "arguments" lack logic and reason.


Jan 16, 2022, 6:17 PM

We are what we are.... Mediocre and not good enough relative to the rest of the country.

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Are you willing to see Clemson invest more in basketball and support it better


Jan 16, 2022, 8:04 PM

in order to have a better program?

If so, great! Me too.

If not, why exactly do you think we should be better than we are?

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Jan 16, 2022, 6:50 PM



~JKB

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Jan 16, 2022, 7:10 PM

Don’t let the judge play you like a fiddle. He does care about Clemson sports. He just wants to laugh at your responses.

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BROWNELL OUT***

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Jan 16, 2022, 7:16 PM



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