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Paw Warrior [5080]
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Path to a regular season title
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Feb 11, 2025, 1:57 PM
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Another great win last night, it was one of those games you didn't want to end because it was so entertaining.
As a fan of all Clemson sports I want as many titles as possible. I began thinking of how we can gain our first ACC regular season title under Brad and get him that elusive first trophy. The ACC is down big time from where it once was, especially when he first took over. We need to strike while the iron is hot.
We are still 1 game behind Duke (#### GT loss!) with a handful of games left. So whats the path to back-dooring our way into a regular season title?
Looking at both team's schedule, we need to win out. Full stop. I don't think anyone here sees Duke losing 2 more.
Below is our schedules remaining and ESPN win probability.
Clemson
02/15 @Florida State 71% to win
02/22 @SMU 55% to win
02/26 Notre Dame 88% to win
03/01 @Virginia 78% to win
03/05 @Boston College 90% to win
03/08 Virginia Tech 94% to win
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02/12 Cal 90% to win
02/15 Stanford 97% to win
02/17 @Virginia 93% to win
02/25 @Miami 95% to win
03/01 Florida State 97% to win
03/03 Wake 95% to win
03/08 UNC 78% to win
Just looking at the win probability its clear to see a) its a bit of a long shot b) UNC is the most likely based on that win %. Thinking outside the box, I think UVA might be the gotcha game, mostly just a gut feeling. It will be their 6th game in 16 days, and the game before their toughest remaining game overall in Illinois. If they can use a deliberate slow pace of play to keep Duke out of rhythm as much as possible I think they give themselves to pull off the upset.
Starting tomorrow I will be a fan of Cal, Stanford, UVA, Miami, FSU, Wake and UNC on those days!
Curious as to others thoughts...
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All-TigerNet [5811]
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Re: Path to a regular season title
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Feb 11, 2025, 2:04 PM
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4 of last 6 on the road for us is tough compared to Dukes 5 of last 7 at home.
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TigerNet Immortal [168279]
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I'd love to win both, but would prefer the ACCT title than the regular season.
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Feb 11, 2025, 2:27 PM
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Something we haven't done.
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Paw Warrior [5080]
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Re: I'd love to win both, but would prefer the ACCT title than the regular season.
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Feb 11, 2025, 2:43 PM
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Very true MFO. I segmented those in my head because I think we will be a threat in the ACCT no matter what, we control our own path there. With the regular season we do not.
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Re: Path to a regular season title
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Feb 11, 2025, 2:36 PM
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What about Looservile? They have the head to head win against us.
4 home games and 3 on the road. They will be favored in each game.
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TigerNet Elite [69219]
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The ACC still does not officially recognize a regular season champion...
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Feb 11, 2025, 2:51 PM
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in men's hoops so there is no trophy presented for that. The team that finishes in first place during the regular season is awarded the No. 1 seed in the conference tournament and receives a double bye into the quarter finals.
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Paw Warrior [5080]
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Re: The ACC still does not officially recognize a regular season champion...
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Feb 11, 2025, 3:08 PM
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Youre right, I meant the proverbial trophy case. Good call out on that 
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Paw Master [17807]
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Yes, truthfully the ACC regular season champion was something Dean Smith/UNC
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Feb 11, 2025, 4:02 PM
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fans started recognizing in the 80s when UNC would have the best conference record but not win the ACCT...I didn't even know it was a thing until we had a chance to win it in 90
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Its not really a thing today either. Just on TNet.***
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Feb 11, 2025, 4:02 PM
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Re: Path to a regular season title
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Feb 11, 2025, 2:52 PM
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Duke pretty much has it locked up imo.
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Tiger Titan [49883]
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We will probably lose 1-2 more ACC games.
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Feb 11, 2025, 3:54 PM
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It is really hard to win every game, even in the “lowly” ACC.
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Paw Warrior [5080]
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Re: We will probably lose 1-2 more ACC games.
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Feb 11, 2025, 4:27 PM
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So you are saying that our men's BBall team has zero shot at the regular season title?
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Tiger Titan [49883]
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No, that is not what I am saying at all.
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Feb 11, 2025, 6:07 PM
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We certainly have a shot. I just don’t think it is likely.
Over a 20-game conference season, it is very rare for a team to lose less than 3-4 conference games.
We started 10-2. It is unlikely for us to win 8 in a row to finish the season. There are some good teams on our schedule. We can certainly do it, but the odds aren’t in our favor.
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Clemson Sports Icon [54338]
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Who else
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Feb 11, 2025, 6:08 PM
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Do you see us losing to?
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Tiger Titan [49883]
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I dont have any games Im assuming to be losses.
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Feb 11, 2025, 8:29 PM
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I’ve just watched enough college basketball to know that there will be games where one team gets hot and the other has a bad night.
At FSU and at SMU will both be tough.
We are a lot better than VT and BC but as we saw with GT, anyone can sneak up on you and win.
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Thats the spirit!***
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Feb 11, 2025, 8:49 PM
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Pi$$ing away the GT game really hurt Clemson's chances.
Feb 12, 2025, 8:26 AM
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Duke is a heavy favorite to win the remainder of its games while Clemson...well...isn't.
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National Champion [7785]
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Re: Path to a regular season title
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Feb 11, 2025, 3:55 PM
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A Duke loss isn't enough. That would create a 3-team tie, and we don't have the H2H over Louisville.
Also, what is this "back door" nonsense. If we win the title, we win it fair and square. We aren't backing into it.
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Paw Warrior [5080]
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Feb 11, 2025, 4:29 PM
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Well we dont control our own destiny in this ACC regular season title and we have played those in contention with us. We are 1-1. Since we don't control our own destiny after playing them, the term back door is seemingly applicable because we need help
I honestly don't care what door the title comes through. I would be fun to have the first one in 35yrs.
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Tiger Titan [49883]
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If we win the ACC, it will be because we earned it.
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Feb 11, 2025, 8:25 PM
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This “backed our way into it” nonsense is stupid, just like it was when people said we backed our way into the ACCCG or the playoffs. It was earned.
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Paw Warrior [5080]
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Re: If we win the ACC, it will be because we earned it.
Feb 12, 2025, 8:45 AM
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Yeah but unfortunately its a term with a generally accepted definition that has been coined and long used in the sports world.
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Feb 11, 2025, 6:42 PM
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Yes loongshot but I like your thinking , Go Tigers
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Feb 11, 2025, 6:47 PM
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There is no path to a regular season title until Duke loses and oh by the way, Louisville needs to lose too. The big deal would be winning ACC Tournament because that would be history with a capital H.
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Re: Path to a regular season title/History Lesson
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Feb 12, 2025, 7:49 AM
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Clemson was the regular season ACC basketball champion on one occasion, and I believe it was in the 1989-1990 season. It was a team that had both Elden Campbell and Dale Davis (the Twin Towers). What we have not won is the ACC Tournament, which is no longer so important with 68 teams qualifying for the NCAA Tournament.
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Paw Warrior [4662]
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Basically win out & hope Duke stubs their toe 1 more time
Feb 12, 2025, 9:19 AM
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To force a RS co-championship.
I think our next 2 game stretch has more desperation than what Dukr has left. FSU would probably love to get Hamilton a W on the way out & try and make a late charge for him. SMU is a bubble team lacking a Q1 win & desperately needs 1.
While Duke has potential pitfalls against teams hoping to get on right side of bubble (Stanford, UNC) or to improve their stock (Wake), I just don't see anyone replicating what we did last Saturday.
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Paw Warrior [5080]
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Mar 5, 2025, 1:40 PM
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Updating now that we have 1-2 games left each. I think its doable but we need some help to back in to it
Clemson
03/05 @Boston College 91% to win
03/08 Virginia Tech 95% to win
Duke
03/08 UNC 79% to win
Louisville
03/05 Cal 91% to win
03/08 Stan 86% to win
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Game Changer [1661]
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Mar 5, 2025, 1:58 PM
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2 Clemson wins (18-2), a Duke loss (18-2), and a Louisville loss somewhere (17-3) is the only way to get regular season title.
Alternately, if all 3 finish tied at 18-2, who gets the tiebreaker?
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Paw Master [17713]
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Re: Path to a regular season title
Mar 5, 2025, 2:11 PM
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2 Clemson wins (18-2), a Duke loss (18-2), and a Louisville loss somewhere (17-3) is the only way to get regular season title.
Alternately, if all 3 finish tied at 18-2, who gets the tiebreaker?
Louisville would get 1st. Tigers 2nd. Link:
https://x.com/TheFieldOf68/status/1896762215908409515
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Paw Warrior [5080]
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Mar 6, 2025, 9:04 AM
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Correct, L'ville will need to lose to Stanford for it to even be possible. It isn't looking likely but this is college BBall, teams have bad nights.
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