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Noticed a lot of posts questioning Dabo hiring assistants

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Sep 14, 2022, 9:14 AM
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with little or no experience. I questioned him one time, Hunter Renfrow's scholarship. Well, we know how that turned out and I have learned to keep my mouth shut. I'm going to sit back and see how all of this pans out.

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Agree. That’s all any of us can really do.

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Sep 14, 2022, 9:40 AM
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Dabo’s decision making has worked out so far. To the tune of the best Clemson football program in the 126 year history of playing the sport.

He makes almost a million a month now. So it’s fair to expect some pretty good decisions.

I watched an interview he gave on his decision making for the current OC/DC hires. Seemed sound to me. He sees their day to day performance and promoted from within. I’m fine with that.

Now it’s on to setting expectations and accountability. He’s already publicly called out the defense on readiness and effort. That’s a direct reflection on Goodwin. We weren’t privileged to those insights. But I’m sure they occurred.

He rarely does that public flogging on the offense. I wish he would sometimes. As that’s my own personal frustration with this team’s current performance in the o-line and receiving units.


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Re: Agree. That’s all any of us can really do.

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Sep 14, 2022, 10:46 AM
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To your point NWP, I think Dabo is a pretty savvy leader - and motivator. Our defense is a proven, mature, veteran led group. As such, they can be addressed in the way Dabo did. The offense, on the other hand - last year and now - is none of the above. Thus, ‘challenging them’ in the way he has the defense, would probably not work.

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That’s a good point Bill.

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Sep 14, 2022, 11:12 AM
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I do think the offense is a ‘more fragile’ (for lack of a better descriptor) group. Therefore, bypassing the internal chain of command for feedback/correction and going straight to a public forum is problematic.

I would like to see him avoid the impression I got last season. We fans(at least this fan) got almost no information on the offense thru the spring and fall practices. Three losses later, we turned into a run focused team to get to 10 wins. Credit to him for that move. But that was reactive. I expect a 11 million dollar executive to be proactive.

This season we’ve been told the o-line play would be improved. I haven’t seen that yet, maybe it’s coming. If not, it’s going to be touch and go to even win the ACC. (NCST, UM and WF will be in the game if we can’t score point or at a minimum move the ball)

All that said. DJ has shown the most improvement out of our three offensive position AFIs from last year. Kid gloves on the remaining is getting old for me personally.

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Re: That’s a good point Bill.

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Sep 23, 2022, 2:32 AM
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I really appreciate the above comments and analysis...I think they are spot on.

Dabo is a great leader, and he knows he can lean into his 'tougher' guys/units publicly. Last year with TE and DJ it was all coach speak. We've seen Dabo chew out Potter, and he is arguably one of the best kickers we have (possibly ever, scoring wise, depending, etc).

He went after 'Murph most recently. That's because he probably anticipated an emotional and slim depth chart with LA Tech. Dabo only challenges players/departments publicly because he knows that a. they are tough and b. they can be better.

So the question becomes, does lack of "calling out" certain spots indicate weakness? Hmmmm...

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Sep 23, 2022, 2:40 AM
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Im also personally frustrated with the O-Line the last several years, and the Blake Miller sunshine pump has made me skeptical, especially after a similar Brockhurst pre-season narrative last season.

BUT-I do believe in Coach, and I do believe Austin deserves some grace while we put the pieces together. Same for Streeter and Grish...the latter being a larger concern.

And just to needlessly throw fuel on the bonfire like a 16 year old...atleast we got rid of Tony Elliott!

(Some sarcasm, some truth)

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Sep 14, 2022, 9:44 AM
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Now and think they know everything. In Dabo we Trust.



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Wow, are Millennialists really Old Farts already? I figured

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Sep 14, 2022, 10:24 AM
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they would be Middle Aged Farts now.

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Sep 14, 2022, 9:46 AM
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Dabo has not really miffed at identifying talent in coaching staff. Really, he has been better at identifying rising talent more than some other big programs that just recycle names. The Chad might be the closest "miff" but still, it was the right move at the right time. Steele wasn't half bad, very good... but when he was bad it was horrific. Napier while inexperienced at the time is still a good coach and with a unafraid QB might have hung on. BV, TE, and JS. Even Reed is in that group.

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Sep 14, 2022, 10:20 AM
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If if I understand correctly you are using Hunter Renfrow as a reason to believe every other decision Dabo makes is the best possible decision?

BTW Dabo took no risk with Renfrow. He did not offer Hunter out of HS but waited until after he proved himself on the practice field so offering him a scholarship was a no brainer.

Dabo has done a nice job of identifying under the radar coaching talent. The coaches have typically done a good job but the question is are the coaches he hired the very best choice for Clemson? We have one of the highest paid coaching staffs in all of college football. Dabo basically has his choice of who to hire yet we choose guys with no P5 experience or in some cases zero coaching experience. Who he hires is obviously his decision but as fans who pay the bills we have a right to question the decision when the product seems to be underperforming.

Look at one example. Dabo hired Todd Bates who played with Dabo and his only experience was coaching at a small school. Bates did a good in both coaching and recruiting. Most thought he was not great but good. Notice what happened when Dabo hired Nick Eason. Recruiting instantly improved as Eason had the reputation of a top tier coach. So the question on the table is what would our recruiting look like and what would our on the field offensive performance look like if we had hired top tier RB and WR coaches instead of coaches with little to no experience? Would our RB room look like UGAs or Bama's? Would our WR room look like Ohio St's WR room in terms of talent? Would our WRs struggle to catch passes which hit them in the hands?


Its not a sin to question our coach and in fact the healthiest programs welcome the scrutiny as it means the fan base is invested in the program.

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Like I said, I'm going to let it all pan out.

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Sep 14, 2022, 10:25 AM
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Re: Like I said, I'm going to let it all pan out.

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Sep 14, 2022, 11:12 AM
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Then why the need to post about it instead of letting it simply "pan out"?

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I'm just posting and as a paying member of TNet, I'm allowed

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Sep 14, 2022, 11:31 AM
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to voice my opinion on something. Just like Judge Keller®. I don't agree with everything he says and I admire his love for Clemson basketball, but he is welcomed to state his feelings. But I'm not going to sit here and tell him he can't post his feelings on this board.


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Re: Like I said, I'm going to let it all pan out.


Sep 14, 2022, 12:02 PM
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Then why the need to post about it instead of letting it simply "pan out"?



Because it threatens his belief system and bothers him deeply. And I would suspect he actually feels that way himself. But there are narratives to follow and points to earn.

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Is that the way you really feel about me? That it bothers

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Sep 14, 2022, 12:20 PM
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me deeply and all of this threatens my belief system?

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Ignore this trog.

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Sep 14, 2022, 12:22 PM
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He’s just troll trash always picked last. Even his cat hates him.

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but he has hurt my feelings. Going to buy some

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Sep 14, 2022, 12:35 PM
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Melatonin so I can sleep tonight. I has a large case of the sads now.

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Sep 14, 2022, 1:24 PM
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Sep 14, 2022, 10:34 AM
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Bates and Dabo played together?

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Sep 14, 2022, 11:05 AM
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Maybe thinking is not your strong suit?

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Thinking is #2 on my strong suit list…

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Sep 14, 2022, 11:14 AM
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right behind looks. What’s your top two?

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Well she is "Judge Keller Junior"

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Sep 14, 2022, 3:19 PM
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So she has that going for her.

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i read the original post and your objection

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Sep 14, 2022, 11:14 AM
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i'm going to allow his post into the record. your objection will be noted by the tnet court reporter.

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Sep 14, 2022, 11:29 AM
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You and Judge must be comparing notes on this one now or either he’s rubbing off on you.

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Are you suggesting that MyFO using Hunter Renfrow…

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Sep 14, 2022, 11:46 AM
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as an example of a time he doubted Dabo, but it worked out, might not be evidence that MyFO thinks every decision by Dabo is correct, 100% of the time? Or that turning every response into a series of questions is similar in style to another poster? Is that what you are saying? Am I understanding you correctly here?

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or it is just another of jk's scoks. But you are probably

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Sep 14, 2022, 1:10 PM
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right - just amazing happenstance.

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Hmmmmm

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Sep 14, 2022, 1:06 PM
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“ BTW Dabo took no risk with Renfrow. He did not offer Hunter out of HS but waited until after he proved himself on the practice field so offering him a scholarship was a no brainer.”

How is this different from watching these coaches in the program, seeing how they perform, and then promoting from within?

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You can question all you want, but..

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Sep 14, 2022, 3:17 PM
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My questions to you are -

Who are two more successful college coaches in the game right now?

Has Dabo made good decisions, or has he just gotten lucky?

The only hire that didn't go well for Dabo or advance the program was Napier, and that was an internal move when he just came out of the gate.

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Sep 14, 2022, 10:50 AM
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Those coaches took a struggling and under performing team last year and etched out a 10 win season and a bowl victory. I think I'll give them a chance. I think Dabo will do what is best for the team, IE: replace coaches if the need arises. Maybe the best will be holding onto the coaches we currently have. Time will tell. In the meantime, I'm just going to love watching Clemson football.

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Yes, we are all going to sit back and see how this turns out.

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Sep 14, 2022, 11:15 AM
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Dabo has earned the right to hire whomever he pleases.

However, I don’t feel that having concerns about certain decisions made is inappropriate either.

People question and criticize politicians about their political decisions, actors about their movie performances, etc. Football coaches shouldn’t be immune to that either.

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Re: Yes, we are all going to sit back and see how this turns out.

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Sep 14, 2022, 2:26 PM
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Legitimate criticism is valid. Criticism based on incorrect assumptions or inaccurate information is not.

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Sep 14, 2022, 11:15 AM
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Count the number of walk-ons that received a scholarship from Dabo that are currently in the NFL.

Then count the number of walk-ons that received a scholarship from Dabo but did not make it to the NFL.

I feel like that data is important.

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Please do that for every school in the P5…

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Sep 14, 2022, 11:21 AM
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would be interesting to see how his record compares to other coaches, since that what we are doing.




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Sep 14, 2022, 11:47 AM
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Again you are thinking which is suspect. The OP used Hunter as the reason is accepts all of Dabo’s decisions. The truth is Hunter is the exception and not the rule

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No…

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Sep 14, 2022, 11:51 AM
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He said he’s learned to sit back, keep his mouth shut and see how it all pans out. Sage advice, if you’re in the market for something like that.

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Sep 14, 2022, 12:33 PM
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He said he’s learned to sit back, keep his mouth shut and see how it all pans out. Sage advice, if you’re in the market for something like that.

. Seems odd to me that a person with over 28k posts would mention anything about keeping your mouth shut. Also t-net would not exist without folks expressing their opinion

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What does any of that have to do with you misrepresenting...

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Sep 14, 2022, 12:43 PM
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what the OP said?




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If you could read, you could see that he

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Sep 14, 2022, 3:22 PM
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was referring to his own mouth. Maybe you are self-convicting while trying to be the judge in his conviction?

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Sep 14, 2022, 1:09 PM
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How many walk-ons have reached the NFL under Dabo? Is Renfrow the only one?

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One down…

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Sep 14, 2022, 2:45 PM
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119 to go.

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And I’d have to look…

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Sep 14, 2022, 2:53 PM
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but I think Rencher got an NFL mini camp invite. Would have to research for others.

Edit to add Daniel Rodriguez.


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Sep 14, 2022, 11:58 AM
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I think a lot more folks question a lot of different things. But those TU’s and % means more to a lot of people then honest respectful debates and discussion. On a board designed for that very thing. But the system does it’s job, obviously. My opinion on your post is how can anyone in their right mind now fairly question the inexperienced coaching staff? How many times can lighting be caught in a bottle here at Clemson? There’s no Watson or Lawrence anywhere here. There’s no Tee, Mike Williams or Sammy or Nuke. Our offense is after 2 games 87th nationally coming off a year where it was 100th nationally. If you don’t have questions, concerns or even wondering thoughts about the staff, I doubt you care that much. Concern is warranted and doesn’t make you a “Coot”. JMO

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Sep 14, 2022, 12:24 PM
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Agree totally with this post. Dabo is a culture coach, and a good one. The moto is that "The Best Is Standard." I believe that he feels he is not getting the best out of his staff, and players, he will make changes, based on his track record. In addition, he just called out players, coaches in his press conference this week with the media. The man knows how to do his job, and he is good at doing his job.

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Nice second post,

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Sep 14, 2022, 4:36 PM
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coot.

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