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Look out, xtiger coming in hot.***
Dec 2, 2022, 2:48 PM
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All-TigerNet [11180]
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It’s sickening that not only DeSantis and his handlers
Dec 2, 2022, 2:54 PM
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thought this was a good idea, but his followers that laughed it up about it…”we pwned the Dems.”
Taking advantage of the powerless should be listed number 1 under things not to do if you are fortunate enough to possess power.
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Oculus Spirit [83073]
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It's the kind of thing that mindless-MAGA loves. "We'll
Dec 2, 2022, 2:59 PM
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dupe some dumb migrants in Texas by promising jobs and other financial reward, fly them to MV instead, which will help gain a stronger hold on Trump's base."
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That's just it...
Dec 2, 2022, 3:01 PM
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With MAGA, the cruelty is the point. They'll twist their logic in knots to justify it, but their initial glee and gloating over it shows they just enjoy the cruelty.
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Oculus Spirit [79428]
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Remember, the Biden admin has been flying them to different
Dec 2, 2022, 3:02 PM
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places around the country for years at this point. Can we get some pearl clutching over that, or no? That's aside from the fact that they are more or less inviting the migrants to come with their policies.
Also, it's fun watching the propaganda spread to the masses. "Cruelty is the point" is a phrase I've seen repeatedly lately.
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Remember, that wasn't the same thing
Dec 2, 2022, 3:04 PM
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I ain't going over that ad nauseum again. They were flown to other places as they awaited asylum processing because certain areas were overloaded. They weren't lured onto planes with promises of aid only to serve as a "gotcha!" publicity stunt.
They are not the same thing. Period.
EDIT to your EDIT: The cruelty is the point, and bruh, you've gobbled up the Trump camp propaganda for the last few years. Literally, you're regurgitating a Sean Hannity argument that came out shortly after this story broke.
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Oculus Spirit [79428]
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OK, I've got some ocean front property to sell you in Easley
Dec 2, 2022, 3:08 PM
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You also missed the entire point of this "stunt", which is to make the people who support illegal immigration have to deal with the consequences of it....Which they didn't end up like very much. So now we get the whining about Desantis to deflect from their hypocrisy. This is very transparent.
What propaganda am I regurgitating? I have no idea what Sean Hannity, Tucker Carlson, or any of the other people have said about this. Recall, you didn't even know the Biden admin was flying them around at the time.
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I wouldn't buy any land in that #### hole...
Dec 2, 2022, 3:15 PM
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Even if there was a beach.
Yeah, I said what I said. But I'm sure the Applebee's there is still lit.
Recall, you didn't even know the Biden admin was flying them around at the time.
I didn't, because it wasn't relevant to this. It was a made-up counterpoint. After I was initially shocked to hear it, I looked it up and realized it's a BS comparison. They aren't the same thing.
And if you really believe the argument of "Biden did it too!", that seems to indicate y'all at least recognize the action is wrong but somehow think it's justified because the other side did it. Which, they didn't.
Here:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/09/21/desantis-biden-migrant-flight-comparison/
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Oculus Spirit [79428]
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So the only difference really is they are supposedly
Dec 2, 2022, 3:27 PM
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children? Any confirmation of that, because when you look at videos of the holding facilities and who is being encountered at the border it's pretty much all working age males. I've never seen the demographics of illegals crossing the border, but maybe that is out there. You don't find it funny how the people who supposedly support illegal immigrants got their panties in a wad when they had to actually deal with an influx of them? Like, that doesn't even register that maybe that was the whole point of doing this?
My favorite part of this issue is the fact that it totally detracts from the fact that under the Biden administration, illegal immigration has become rampant.
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Re: So the only difference really is they are supposedly
Dec 2, 2022, 3:40 PM
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Well, I can't speak for those folks you mention, but I'm not a supporter of illegal immigration. I just don't like cruel publicity stunts with humans to try to score political points.
I don't disagree with your assessment of Biden administration's immigration policies/actions but that doesn't change the fact that DeSantis ###### up.
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You didn’t catch all of the stories about authorities in DC
Dec 3, 2022, 12:25 AM
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And New York whining about how the influx was stretching resources and how difficult it was to deal with?
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Seems like simply testing the courage of conviction of those
Dec 2, 2022, 7:45 PM
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Who wore “proud sanctuary city” on their sleeve. Turns out they were just more NIMBY beliefs like so much of the bleeding heart left. They’re for being a sanctuary city as long as it means there is no shortage of Consuela’s to clean their house and nanny the kids.
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Re: Seems like simply testing the courage of conviction of those
Nov 12, 2022, 9:20 PM
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If you want to hang your hat on that "gotcha" to those cities, sure, have at it. But that's the problem. It was a poorly planned retaliatory/publicity stunt. DeSantis (and those who supported it) didn't play the long game.
It'll cost taxpayers a ton in lawsuits. It gives Dems easy cannon fodder against him. In the end, it was stupid, costly, and poorly planned. All it did was give a little ### tap to those who already adore Trumpism, and it just further disgusted those in the middle whose votes matter the most.
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Re: That's just it...
Dec 3, 2022, 6:58 AM
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It's really not that cruel. I wouldn't want DeSantis as president, but shipping the migrants to other places is all good with me.
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“Cruel”
Dec 2, 2022, 3:05 PM
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Lol.
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Re: “Cruel”
Dec 2, 2022, 3:11 PM
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Martha's Vineyard is a rough place.
"How to Remove Illegal Immigrants from Your Neighborhood in Record Time," by Martha's Vineyard.
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The cruelty is more existential, for what that's worth.
Dec 2, 2022, 3:17 PM
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Yeah. Getting shipped to Martha's Vineyard when you thought you were going to Mass. is not the worst bait & switch you could encounter.
It's more the idea that you see these people as nothing but political props that can be "shipped" like dispensable cargo for shits and giggles.
However, there were allegations it was done in a way to make it harder (if not impossible) for these people to make their hearings, thus more likely to be deported. But, that would make DeSantis a sadist, when he's more of just a misguided attention seeker.
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Re: The cruelty is more existential, for what that's worth.
Dec 2, 2022, 3:51 PM
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Not sure about those allegations, but overall not sure why it is considered any crueler to send illegal immigrants to sanctuary municipalities than to leave them where they are. The cruelest thing would probably be to send them home, but in most cases probably the right thing.
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Oculus Spirit [83073]
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Yea, Fing cruel you moron.
Dec 2, 2022, 3:18 PM
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"We're looking for migrants to work for us at $25.00 an hour. We'll fly you there free of charge."
Anyone okay with this is Fing stupid.
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true, he is stupid, but...
Dec 2, 2022, 3:20 PM
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I think we can safely assume our friend up there is a sociopath.
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Why do you call fellow Tigers morons?
Dec 3, 2022, 6:04 AM
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I would think that you should be able to articulate a point better.
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Oculus Spirit [79428]
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You know what's cruel? Having policies that entice migrants
Dec 2, 2022, 3:19 PM
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to take life threatening risks in order to come here, because they think (know) this administration will let them in if they can make it. How many of them have been cooked in semi trailers trying to get across the border at this point? How many rapes? Probably lots. You know what would solve that? A secure border.
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Oculus Spirit [83073]
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With the crisis in Venezuela the last 8 years, it's more
Dec 2, 2022, 3:24 PM
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appealing here no matter what the policies are. They've flooded in here the last 20 years, no matter who was in leadership.
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Oculus Spirit [79428]
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There's been a huge uptick under Biden though
Dec 2, 2022, 3:30 PM
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I'm not going to defend Bush or even Reagan over it, but if it's not addressed it's going to be a major problem with increasing international instability. Knit picking little moves like Desantis's is nothing more than propaganda to deflect from the larger issue at hand.
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Re: You know what's cruel? Having policies that entice migrants
Dec 2, 2022, 3:26 PM
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Last I checked, we have policies that prevent people from hiring them, yet those laws are broken each and every day. If employers were not offering them jobs, they would not come here in the first place.Probelm is that neither party really cares that much, so it is just a pointless political wedge issue with eveyone pointing their fingers in the wrong direction.
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Oculus Spirit [79428]
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No disagreement there.
Dec 2, 2022, 3:28 PM
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Dems want the voters, Pubs want the cheap labor.
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That's because the truth is our economy needs these people
Dec 2, 2022, 3:55 PM
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We need to expedite legal immigration just as much as we need to figure out a way to slow the influx of people over the border illegally (and overstaying their visas...).
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Oculus Spirit [79428]
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So that is the narrative, but is it true?
Dec 3, 2022, 12:50 AM
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We’re looking at a declining labor participation rate, and I don’t see any indication we’re approving immigrants based on merit. In fact, our immigration seems to prioritize those who bring the least to the table. Highly educated and trying to go through the proper channels? We’ll, that’s going to be a huge PITA. Be poor/uneducated from a third world country and illegally enter the US to have a baby? Yass, we must help!
What’s the root cause of that, and what is to say new immigrants won’t continue the trend exacerbating stress on our social systems/infrastructure(schools, hospitals, affordable housing, etc.)? Here’s another thought, if manpower is what we need to keep our economic engine going, maybe encouraging abortion isn’t the best idea? That’s what, over half a million people a year we’re killing off?
You also have to consider the societal cohesion aspect, you can’t just take ants from one colony and put them in another then expect everything to go great. That’s not to say anyone is necessarily bad, but language/cultural barriers will always cause conflict. That’s how you devolve into a ‘low-trust’ society in which nobody is happy.
TL;DR we have a culture problem and no amount of immigration, legal or otherwise, will fix it.
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So what if...
Dec 2, 2022, 4:11 PM
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DeSantis, who is supposedly going to be the savior of the GOP in 2024, actually presented some strong border security suggestions and immigration policies to get both conservatives and moderates on board with ideas instead of pulling a stupid "own da libs!" stunt that has backfired and will likely cost taxpayers millions? And will probably hurt him in the election?
Wouldn't that be the smarter move?
This is why we need Nikki in 2024; we need an adult in the room who can create sound policy and plans that help all of America, not another MAGA Trump child. And no, that "we can't go back to Republicans who couldn't win or gave in to Dems" argument doesn't work. Pubs like her did win and often. Trumpers haven't won #### in the last two elections.
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Merits aside...
Dec 2, 2022, 3:09 PM
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This was a needless self-own for DeSantis. He only did it because he saw Abbott was getting play, and then went about his own charade without the stomach for actual execution; thus outsourcing the details to a person shady (and just dumb) enough to get it done.
Prior to this I'd say he had the nomination locked up without question. Should this escalate, and I think it will, the door is wide open for Haley.
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That’s hypocritical, joe
Dec 2, 2022, 3:23 PM
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Biden did it first…
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BS. You're intelligent enough to know it's not the same
Dec 2, 2022, 3:25 PM
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thing.
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The difference is minor…***
Dec 2, 2022, 3:58 PM
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Then help us understand it.***
Dec 2, 2022, 4:12 PM
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This echo chamber is massive.***
Dec 2, 2022, 3:27 PM
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Re: Legal challenges mounting for DeSantis over migrant flights:
Dec 2, 2022, 3:56 PM
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I can speak for the next President "BRING IT, Donkeys"!!
FJB
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Re: Legal challenges mounting for DeSantis over migrant flights:
Dec 2, 2022, 4:35 PM
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I’ve taken all replies and reached a conclusion…
Dec 2, 2022, 6:13 PM
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Flying dirt poor people from #### filled alleys to the land of privilege and excess = cruel and punishable
Chopping a baby apart and pulling it from the womb 3 min before it gets a social security number; because the parent changed their mind = compassionate and celebrated
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Re: I’ve taken all replies and reached a conclusion…
Dec 2, 2022, 7:23 PM
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Preach on brother.
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Re: I’ve taken all replies and reached a conclusion…
Dec 3, 2022, 2:10 AM
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"When my argument and logic is destroyed, make sure to somehow turn this into a stupid hyperbolic abortion issue to deflect."
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Re: I’ve taken all replies and reached a conclusion…
Dec 3, 2022, 7:08 AM
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I think he was just pointing out the gross hypocrisy.
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Re: Legal challenges mounting for DeSantis over migrant flights:
Dec 3, 2022, 11:08 AM
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Yes, we know your echo chamber has 10,000,000 reasons why DeSantis is a horrible person and will end up in jail.
Next.
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