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Is this year the last legitimate chance for a CFB Natty for Clemson for a while?
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Feb 6, 2025, 7:17 AM
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This year's teams looks solid, do they have a chance to win it all? Cade, the WRs, and a decent defence (with a fantastic DC hire) are making many in the media world think we have a decent chance.
But how about after that? Our #32 or #37 ranked recruiting class has me wondering. Could this be Clemson's last shot for a while? Does that put any more pressure on this staff to show recruits that we still got it?
I know a lot of you are blowing it off but we were brutalised in recruiting this year. Duke bought Bryce Davis, GT stole Tae Harris, Graceson Littleton to Texas, Isaiah Campbell to Tennessee, not to mention our QB to Norte Dame.
One bad year in recruiting is definitely survivable but the elite teams are still recruiting very well.
Can we / will we bounce back with the next recruiting class? How important does it make next years recruiting class?
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Clemson will always be a good team
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Feb 6, 2025, 7:29 AM
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Clemson has so much tradition and fan support that will keep the program relevant. Players want to come to Clemson. That will not change.
What is going to change is just a few teams (6-10) will be able to compete for a national title. These schools have the money AND are willing to do what must be done to compete at the top. It may be that Clemson has to just adjust the realistic expectations for what constitutes a good and successful season. Many schools are going to have to do this.
This is the tragedy of college football today and what has happened. It is also sad and I fear for the future of college football in general. Things like declining attendance and a general lack of enthusiasm are real issues all across the college football landscape.
Harsh reality.
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Oculus Spirit [41543]
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Agreed. It was obvious early on that Georgia and Clemson
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Feb 6, 2025, 8:09 AM
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Just weren’t good enough to compete this year. Teams like ND and Ohio State with more alumni, more money, and fans more intelligent than Georgia fans are going to be more likely to win. Thankfully the average Clemson fan is smarter than the average Georgia fan and will be able to contribute more per capita. Not doubting Georgia has some large donors, by large I’m talking 350 lbs plus. It will be interesting to watch going forward.
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Re: Agreed. It was obvious early on that Georgia and Clemson
Feb 6, 2025, 11:01 AM
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Orange Blooded [2483]
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Re: Clemson will always be a good team
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Feb 6, 2025, 9:01 AM
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Georgia found out with NIL and all the $$$ buying players, put them on equal ground with the other schools, so they were very average this year. They could no longer cheat to get the kids, and they went to other schools. Georgias run is over.
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Athletic Dir [1194]
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Re: Is this year the last legitimate chance for a CFB Natty for Clemson for a while?
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Feb 6, 2025, 8:08 AM
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With no QB in line to replace CK2 after this season, CV17 hasn't seen much playing time and i don't see that changing this season, he will be raw if he does win the starting job, might be a while.
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Re: Is this year the last legitimate chance for a CFB Natty for Clemson for a while?
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Feb 6, 2025, 8:33 AM
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People were saying the same thing about Cade a couple of years ago. We really need to give Viz a chance. The guy has done everything asked of him so far and has been watching, studying, and learning while his body also grows and develops. He hasn’t had much in-game experience, but that also means we don’t have a decent sample size to determine how good or bad he will be when his turn comes.
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Re: Is this year the last legitimate chance for a CFB Natty for Clemson for a while?
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Feb 6, 2025, 1:25 PM
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I said right after Allen was hired that the guy who might benefit the most would be Christopher Vizzina. If we had been able to keep and protect some of the leads last season he would have gotten more playing time Allah Chase Bryce and Dr Scheuss, Nick Scheussler. I believe this year he will get a few quarters of work and some end of game stuff. If so that will go a long way. Also hopefully Denson gets some time in mop up mostly, but is also allowed to spin the ball some. Love his upside!
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Re: Is this year the last legitimate chance for a CFB Natty for Clemson for a while?
Feb 6, 2025, 6:02 PM
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Yeah - we may have come out ahead with that QB breaking his commitment and heading to Michigan. As quick as Denson was to commit and get on campus we must have been keeping him close throughout the process.
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Re: Is this year the last legitimate chance for a CFB Natty for Clemson for a while?
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Feb 6, 2025, 8:15 AM
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Re: Is this year the last legitimate chance for a CFB Natty for Clemson for a while?
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Feb 6, 2025, 8:57 AM
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Is that Fonzie? Whatever he is doing looks dangerous.
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Solid Orange [1395]
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Re: Is this year the last legitimate chance for a CFB Natty for Clemson for a while?
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Feb 6, 2025, 9:04 AM
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He’s jumping the shark. It’s where the term came from. Happy Days was doing well as a show until that moment. It steadily went downhill from there.
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Re: Is this year the last legitimate chance for a CFB Natty for Clemson for a while?
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Feb 6, 2025, 9:10 AM
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Man I can't beleive I missed that episode. Sounds epic. Did the shark eat him?
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Re: Is this year the last legitimate chance for a CFB Natty for Clemson for a while?
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Feb 6, 2025, 10:08 AM
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No the Fonz would never hit the pier. He was way too talented. He was good at everything. As long as he had his leather jacket on, there was no stopping him.
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Re: Is this year the last legitimate chance for a CFB Natty for Clemson for a while?
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Feb 6, 2025, 8:24 AM
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This class did feel like a Tommy West class. I'm worried a few 6 win seasons and Mayo and Birmingham Bowls could be in the store especially with other ACC programs like GT and UNC improving.
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Re: Is this year the last legitimate chance for a CFB Natty for Clemson for a while?
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Feb 6, 2025, 8:35 AM
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Yea, maybe we better start practicing our hand wringing now. It’s going to be bad, really bad. I just know it.
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Re: Is this year the last legitimate chance for a CFB Natty for Clemson for a while?
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Feb 6, 2025, 8:35 AM
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I think we filled some solid needs in that 25 class. The 24 class is great. Let's see what happens with the 26 class. I guess it will come down to QB play after Cade leaves.
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Orange Blooded [2447]
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Re: Is this year the last legitimate chance for a CFB Natty for Clemson for a while?
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Feb 6, 2025, 8:41 AM
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The next class is going to have to be special, and filled with more than a handful of “plug and play” recruits, if we want to see success in 2026 )success being 10+ wins and a conference championship).
Perhaps some key portal additions will also be necessary.
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Orange Blooded [2576]
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Re: Is this year the last legitimate chance for a CFB Natty for Clemson for a while?
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Feb 6, 2025, 8:50 AM
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Hard to say. With the transfer portal and NIL, football is becoming more like basketball wherein it doesn't take 3-4 years for the makeup of a team to change. These days, a good year in the portal can transform an otherwise average or above average team into a contender.
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Ring of Honor [23228]
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Overusing the portal is a dangerous game though.***
Feb 6, 2025, 10:04 AM
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Hall of Famer [8727]
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Re: Is this year the last legitimate chance for a CFB Natty for Clemson for a while?
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Feb 6, 2025, 8:55 AM
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That is why the signing class this December is critical. We will lose a lot of talent and experience after next year. We can supplement 2-3 positions with the portal but no getting around the fact 2026 will be a bit of a challenge. I am good as long as we make a deep run this year.
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Re: Is this year the last legitimate chance for a CFB Natty for Clemson for a while?
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Feb 6, 2025, 9:17 AM
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Our class from 25' was not as bad as y'all are saying it was but definitely not our normal top tier class. They are getting increasingly lower since 2020.
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Re: Is this year the last legitimate chance for a CFB Natty for Clemson for a while?
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Feb 6, 2025, 9:30 AM
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Whatever the opposite of a silver lining is… you’re really good at finding it
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Ring of Honor [23228]
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I dont understand.***
Feb 6, 2025, 10:07 AM
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TigerNet Icon [151046]
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We know.
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Feb 6, 2025, 10:09 AM
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I mean, there were 7 question marks in your OP.
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Ring of Honor [23228]
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Discussions often involve questions.
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Feb 6, 2025, 10:14 AM
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Whereas sycophancy requires little to none.
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TigerNet Icon [151046]
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^ There are no question marks in this post.
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Feb 6, 2025, 10:18 AM
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#sycophancy
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Ring of Honor [23228]
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How much does the Clemson media department pay?
Feb 6, 2025, 1:02 PM
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Let them know I can work on the cheap, that way we can end this and be posting bros. Sound good aye?
A little sample of my work: the last recruiting class might have been ranked 40th but the Rivals team are fool of idiots! Dabo is much much more knowledgeable about recruits, besides those five stars that decommitted we didn’t really want anyway.
Like it? When can I start?
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First, I would encourage you to fact check your work
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Feb 6, 2025, 1:20 PM
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prior to posting. I looked it up and Clemson was not ranked 40th by Rivals. Secondly, I wouldn’t fabricate arguments that are for, or against, your stance. To your credit, at least you didn’t put quotation marks around a fabrication, this time. Third, I’d be sure I was using words correctly, like sycophant. Finally, I’d try and keep emotional posting to a minimum.
https://www.greenvilleonline.com/story/sports/college/clemson/2024/12/03/clemson-football-recruiting-rankings-2025-dabo-swinney/76684305007/#:~:text=Clemson%20football%20recruiting%20rankings,-The%20seven%20decommitments&text=It%20is%20listed%2029th%20in,smallest%20recruiting%20class%20since%202017.
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Re: First, I would encourage you to fact check your work
Feb 6, 2025, 4:45 PM
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I checked your link and the Rivals rank is ..... 37th. That's the equivalent of me saying, I can't believe that cost $20, and you saying: "you're fabricating that fact, it was actually $19.99"
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Your math is as bad as his
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Feb 6, 2025, 5:12 PM
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37/40 = .925
19.99/20 = .9995
Those two are not close to the same.
With that said, he picked the worst recruiting service ranking, Rivals #37, and added 3 to it. If that’s how it works, you could just as easily go with best ranking, on3 #23, and subtract 3, giving us a top 20 class. Same exact principle. Why not go with the composite? Why add 3 to the ranking?
You don’t have to answer, I already know it.
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Re: I dont understand.***
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My observation is that you’re very negative and find the bad in every situation
Let me know if you have any questions
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Athletic Dir [1186]
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Re: Is this year the last legitimate chance for a CFB Natty for Clemson for a while?
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Feb 6, 2025, 9:30 AM
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I do not think this is our last legitimate chance for a while. Chris Vizzina is still under wraps, but I believe he can become a great QB. And I think the way Luke has recruited in the OL will make them elite there in the coming years. I am hopeful Gideon Davidson turns out to be at least as good as Mafah, and potentially another Travis ETN. Defensive personnel is still strong and deep, and I think Allen will get them working well together. Our DL has the potential to be outstanding, and our WR group makes us look like WRU again. Injuries and portal can change all that, but the pieces are there. I am hoping we can get some games under control and let CV have a chance to show what he can do in real time. If he is as good as Dabo thinks, we should be really competitive for the next 3-4 years.
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Re: Is this year the last legitimate chance for a CFB Natty for Clemson for a while?
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Feb 6, 2025, 10:45 AM
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With our 2025 class being ranked 37th and dabo now getting more 3stars than 4-5 star studs…I would say we won’t be back to our elite status any time soon. Just facts🤷♂️
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Re: Is this year the last legitimate chance for a CFB Natty for Clemson for a while?
Feb 6, 2025, 11:12 AM
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Didn't you just receive a honorary doctorate in humanities from Guatemala State. These are all hypothetical questions. You should be able to discuss these with yourself, and I for one will be most impressed that you're off somewhere doing just that. Come back when you have answers.
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No***
Feb 6, 2025, 4:54 PM
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Re: Is this year the last legitimate chance for a CFB Natty for Clemson for a while?
Feb 6, 2025, 5:26 PM
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Hail naw!!!
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Re: Is this year the last legitimate chance for a CFB Natty for Clemson for a while?
Feb 6, 2025, 5:28 PM
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No definitely not
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No.
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Feb 6, 2025, 9:18 PM
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And this wasn't a bad recruiting class. Small yes but expected due to the math. Dabo and Co transferred in the gaps that opened pretty well.
Spend a little time checking out our roster and the number of redshirts. You may be surprised who we have in house and in the pipeline for the coming years, all over. Maybe that will help quell some of your angst.
Not panicking does not equal blowing it off.
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