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Jun 14, 2024, 4:34 PM
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They took away the bumpstocks on guns because it was taking too many lives in a matter of minutes. Basically it was giving a standard issue gun a chance to be a machine gun of sorts.

Now the Supreme Court has reversed the ban in a time where lunatics are running wild everywhere as it is. They are basically putting more high powered weapons in a want to be crazy active shooter's hands. They were better off making an announcement that they want to kill every man..
.woman....child..and pet.

May be the wrong board...who is to stop someone from coming into Death Valley one day or even perch themselves somewhere close to Death Valley and just start wiping a lot of us out in the stands while we're just trying to watch our Tigers kick #### ??

Remember that incident at that concert in Las Vegas ???? Well.... bumpstock in action.

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Jun 14, 2024, 4:37 PM
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Thanks for your opinion, Karen. Gun laws only affect law abiding citizens. Murderers can get guns anywhere illegally. I’m sick of stupid liberals.

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Jun 14, 2024, 5:38 PM
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Thanks for your opinion, Karen. Gun laws only affect law abiding citizens. Murderers can get guns anywhere illegally. I’m sick of stupid liberals.


I'm sick of stupid gun towers. A disagreement that used to be settled with a fist fight now USUALLY gets at least one person killed by a gun. And often injures or kills innocent bystanders.

FYI, Emergency Room statistics show that the gun kept in your house is 4 times more likely to kill the owner (easy suicide with minimal forethought or none if drinking), one of the children or one of the grandchildren than it would be used to slowdown an intruder. You are putting your family at risk.
And the world does not need more rapid-fire weapons that are mostly used only as toys. Why do we allow people to buy tanks?

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Jun 14, 2024, 5:54 PM
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They're scared they will go viral getting their butt kicked... fair and square. No honor is being taught anymore. If it was.....fist fights wouldn't even have to happen.

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Thanks for your opinion, Karen. Gun laws only affect law abiding citizens. Murderers can get guns anywhere illegally. I’m sick of stupid liberals.


I'm sick of stupid gun towers. A disagreement that used to be settled with a fist fight now USUALLY gets at least one person killed by a gun. And often injures or kills innocent bystanders.

FYI, Emergency Room statistics show that the gun kept in your house is 4 times more likely to kill the owner (easy suicide with minimal forethought or none if drinking), one of the children or one of the grandchildren than it would be used to slowdown an intruder. You are putting your family at risk.
And the world does not need more rapid-fire weapons that are mostly used only as toys. Why do we allow people to buy tanks?



I'm not at all worried about the people who choose to take their own life, it's their life and if they want to throw it away that's fine with me. It's the S O Bs that will take other people's lives that love living and want to live a nice long life is what bothers me. It's not a good life if you have to worry an idiot with a rapid fire high powered rifle hiding behind a structure waiting to take countless lives without any of them ever saying they were tired of living, but an idiot makes their choice for them. It's those types of idiots that the supreme court just fed with bump stocks so they can kill lots of innocent people really fast. And we have those that feel it's much easier to to just go shoot up a elementary school of small children bc they can't defend themselves, and an AR-15 with a bump stock can kill a bunch of those kids real fast.

Our country has a bunch of total idiots serving on the highest court in our country!!! Holly Batman how could they be such complete idiots!!!

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Jun 15, 2024, 1:01 PM
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I'm not at all worried about the people who choose to take their own life, it's their life and if they want to throw it away that's fine with me.


Just wow

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Around 60% of deaths by firearm are suicides.


Jun 16, 2024, 12:09 AM
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The anti gun lobby conflated those with homicides and accidents. That is utterly dishonest.

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Jun 15, 2024, 7:00 PM [ in reply to Re: I Thought The Point Was To Save Lives --- ]
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LOL

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Jun 15, 2024, 12:15 PM [ in reply to Re: I Thought The Point Was To Save Lives --- ]
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Because they have that right! I agree some things are not needed, but with our government weaponizing theegal system and flooding the country with illegals the law abiding citizens need the ability to protect themselves! Remember the police can’t stop a criminal breaking into your house, they can only clean up the mess. It is better that mess be the remains of the criminals! Dear old Uncle Sam trained me to protect myself, my family and my country, I may be getting older but I still take pride in being able to do it . I own many firearms and not a single one has ever harmed anyone, yet! But I would die protecting my right to have them!

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Jun 15, 2024, 1:56 PM [ in reply to Re: I Thought The Point Was To Save Lives --- ]
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Because they have that right! I agree some things are not needed, but with our government weaponizing theegal system and flooding the country with illegals the law abiding citizens need the ability to protect themselves! Remember the police can’t stop a criminal breaking into your house, they can only clean up the mess. It is better that mess be the remains of the criminals! Dear old Uncle Sam trained me to protect myself, my family and my country, I may be getting older but I still take pride in being able to do it . I own many firearms and not a single one has ever harmed anyone, yet! But I would die protecting my right to have them!


In this wild, wild west resurgance period, it is your right and mostly the norm to put your family at risk -- as the Emergency Room statistics clearly state -- for a very small chance of using your weapons for family protection.
I hope your gun story does not end badly.

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Jun 15, 2024, 7:04 PM
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LOL no.

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Jun 15, 2024, 11:12 PM [ in reply to Re: I Thought The Point Was To Save Lives --- ]
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It won’t, my firearms are secure except for the ones I keep locked and loaded for home security and target practice!

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Jun 16, 2024, 10:58 AM [ in reply to Re: I Thought The Point Was To Save Lives --- ]
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Well you got that wrong. The point of gun control has never been to save lives - it’s been to take from the citizenry the capacity to resist tyranny. Read The Federalist papers.

As for ED statistics you may recall (or not) a quote from Mark Twain (aka Sam Clemens), “There are lies, d____d lies and statistics.” Point being that statistics can be used to prove or disprove just about any argument one cares to make. The “studies” quoted by both pro & anti gun factions are, for the most part, seriously flawed. So merely citing this or that set of statistics relating to social or political issues is of little use in serious discourse.

There are 2 things though that I think have and will always apply - history & human nature

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Guns kill everyone.***


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Jun 14, 2024, 6:17 PM
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Not really.

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120 per day, yeah people do , I get it.***


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Abortion kills a thousand a day. Which is more dangerous?***

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Both.***


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How do you feel about cars and trucks?

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Jun 14, 2024, 7:57 PM [ in reply to Guns kill everyone.*** ]
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just trying to get your perspective

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John 3:16; 14:1-6


The use of both is regulated***


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The use of cars and trucks is not a right.


Jun 15, 2024, 11:58 AM
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Check the Constitution.

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Guns should be well-regulated, check the Bill of Rights.***

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Jun 15, 2024, 7:08 PM
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Well regulated as written means that you are thoroughly proficient in their use because you have had tons of opportunities to get in plenty of practice. Well regulated meant something entirely different at that time compared to todays bubble wrapped, karen driven nanny state.

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You can buy a gun at 18, no state background check, no permit, no training =


Jun 15, 2024, 7:47 PM
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NO PROFICIENCY

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Jun 16, 2024, 12:42 AM
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It was not a requirement, it was a purpose lol

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LOL-ing at your own post, how cavalier.***


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Jun 16, 2024, 12:44 AM [ in reply to You can buy a gun at 18, no state background check, no permit, no training = ]
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You cannot legally buy a firearm without a background check, that is absolutely, completely false BUT you should be able to do so.


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Doesn't apply to non licensed sellers (ie gun shows)***


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Jun 16, 2024, 4:27 PM
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private sales, yes, dealer sales at gun show ALL get background checks. private person to person sales are no-ones business.

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Jun 15, 2024, 8:07 AM [ in reply to How do you feel about cars and trucks? ]
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HuntClub® said:

just trying to get your perspective

Some people might define cars and trucks as a basic necessity of modern life and they are highly regulated. Guns are not necessities and are not highly regulated. Simple.

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Jun 14, 2024, 10:38 PM [ in reply to Guns kill everyone.*** ]
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I've had a gun ever since I was 13 years old, and I have plenty of them of all types, and not a one while I owned it has ever killed a person, and the 4 we have now will never kill a person unless a person is trying to hurt or threatening to kill me or a family member. As long as that doesn't happen, they can live forever where I'm concerned!!!

A human should never take anything that they can't give back, and we can't give a person back their life once we take it. It I ever have to take a life, you can bet everything you have or will ever have that they left me no other choice bc that is something that you can't give back once you've taken it, and I hope and pray that no one ever forces me into a situation where I'll have to take their life. That is one thing that I wouldn't want to think about every day for the rest of my life....

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Jun 15, 2024, 12:34 PM
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I got my first at the age of six, my first rifle at the age of 7. I was hunting by myself at age 8, but that was a different time! I sincerely hope my firearms are never fired in anger at anyone but I would not hesitate if my family is threatened! Property and money can be replaced but family and loved ones can’t!

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Jun 14, 2024, 6:16 PM [ in reply to Re: I Thought The Point Was To Save Lives --- ]
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Agreed.

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Jun 14, 2024, 8:49 PM
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Criminals don’t care about anybody’s life.

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Jun 15, 2024, 10:37 AM
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Agreed

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"Gun laws only affect law abiding citizens" welp, that counts Trump out then

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Jun 14, 2024, 9:45 PM [ in reply to Re: I Thought The Point Was To Save Lives --- ]
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lmao

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Jun 14, 2024, 4:56 PM
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You can choose to stay home. WWJD? He wouldn't be scared and would go where he wanted. We never know when and can't hide from the end. I'm not going to jump off a bridge or a building to prove a point but I won't be held hostage from fear either.

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Jun 14, 2024, 5:13 PM
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There are finger/hand techniques that can mimic a bump stock.

If you were in HS in 60s and 70s, every pickup truck in the parking lot had a gun in rear window rack. Nobody killed anybody at school. We've raised a bazillion idiots that have no mind or conscience. My theory is if you play a 1st person shooter video game for 8 hrs a day for years, and your mind is the least bit warped, it's been nothing but a murder training class. Not everyone that drinks or does drugs as a teenager will become an addict, but a small percentage will. Same with everything...food, ####, gambling, etc.

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Jun 14, 2024, 7:23 PM
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Exactly…

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Lol

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Jun 14, 2024, 8:11 PM [ in reply to Re: I Thought The Point Was To Save Lives --- ]
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Blaming video games

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Jun 15, 2024, 12:00 AM [ in reply to Re: I Thought The Point Was To Save Lives --- ]
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Just find the "right trigger assembly" and you're close or even faster than a bump stock. Believe me, they are out there. Just go to the right gun show and talk to the right people.

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Jun 15, 2024, 8:11 AM [ in reply to Re: I Thought The Point Was To Save Lives --- ]
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saddis56® said:

You can choose to stay home. WWJD? He wouldn't be scared and would go where he wanted. We never know when and can't hide from the end. I'm not going to jump off a bridge or a building to prove a point but I won't be held hostage from fear either.


WWJD? We'll never know.
Ask that question at the Pearly Gate.

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Actually, we do know.

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Jun 15, 2024, 12:02 PM
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"Then said He unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one".

The Holy Bible,
King James
Luke Chapter 22, Verse 2636

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Jun 15, 2024, 9:07 PM [ in reply to Re: I Thought The Point Was To Save Lives --- ]
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If you dont know, you need to read the Bible more.

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Jun 14, 2024, 5:08 PM
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The ban was rightly reversed bc the ATF has no right to legislate and bc bump stocks clearly do not fit the definition of a machine gun/automatic weapon. The ban never should have happened and SCOTUS rightly corrected the governmental overreach

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Jun 14, 2024, 6:17 PM
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Correct. They overstepped their bounds in thinking they could create and enforce their own legislation. That’s why the SCOTUS ruled as such.

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Jun 15, 2024, 12:18 AM [ in reply to Re: I Thought The Point Was To Save Lives --- ]
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this started with a trump exec order

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Jun 14, 2024, 5:25 PM
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They reversed the ban as there is no law to support the ban. They made the right call based on constitutional principles. If the bump stocks need to be banned, then congress should pass a law to make happen.

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Jun 14, 2024, 5:36 PM
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I'm doing the math. ...50 to 80 people being shot in a minute compared to 6 or 7 in a minute. A loved one losing their life is still a loved one.....but to others who commented in their arrogant opinions...that they are most certainly open to do so. I just pray it ain't one of your loved ones mowed down one day. At that point being liberal or conservative ain't going to have a dang thing to do with it. You're just going to be wishing it never happened. That in itself is suffering.

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Jun 14, 2024, 5:52 PM
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Mass murders are happening in China on a very regular basis. Since guns are not easily obtained guess what people are doing? Mowing down kids in school lines, mowing down people at the bus stop, mowing down people on the sidewalks all with their cars. This is a real problem in China but the govt doesnt allow negative reporting especially international which is why you don't hear about it.

So I guess we will have to take cars away from everyone to remove this possibility? If someone wants to kill people they will find a way. Guns/cars don't kill people, the operators do.

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Jun 14, 2024, 6:22 PM
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Very true. Truth does not make Karen feel warm and fuzzy.

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Jun 14, 2024, 6:21 PM [ in reply to Re: Well Congress Was Sleeping On This One....As Usual --- ]
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I love my 30+ AR-15 rifles. What I don't love are the nutt cases that walk out streets who should be in mental institutions. Warped nutt jobs, not guns, are the problem.
Most guns used in crime are illegally obtained. Many that were legally obtained were done so because the states don't report their mental illness data to the BATFE.

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Jun 14, 2024, 7:33 PM [ in reply to Re: Well Congress Was Sleeping On This One....As Usual --- ]
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I would advise carrying. At least you might have a slight chance of survival.

Deranged folks have and always get their hands on guns. They don’t give a crap about a bumpstock being legal or illegal. The law abiding gun owner pays the price for those that care nothing about law and order.

Let’s try to figure out how to get the guns out of the hands of known felons, and folks with known mental issues for starters.

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Jun 14, 2024, 5:35 PM
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I don't see this thread working out well.

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Jun 14, 2024, 5:53 PM
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Good call haha

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Jun 14, 2024, 5:55 PM [ in reply to Re: I Thought The Point Was To Save Lives --- ]
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“Some things in here don’t react well to bullets”

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Jun 14, 2024, 5:40 PM
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I have never heard of a person being killed by a bump stock weapon? I do not know a single person who has been shot by a bump stock weapon??

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Jun 14, 2024, 5:50 PM
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Were you under a rock to not know of the 2017 Las Vegas massacre where 60 people were killed by a single shooter using bump-stock weapons.

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Jun 15, 2024, 3:35 PM
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Aside from the overwhelming evidence there was way more to that shooting than the one guy in the motel room…there’s also way more behind the mental health of folks committing these crimes. Ex. So many hear voices telling them to do these evil things. What (or who?) is behind that? Just mental health? Why did we not have these mental health issues until recent decades? Guns have been prevalent long before all of this!?

It’s a heckuva rabbit hole that goes way deeper than bump stocks and video games. Think about what evil JFK warned us all about and Ephesians 6:10-18 and you’ll be getting warmer in your search.

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Your statement is not true.

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There is absolutely no proof the Vegas murderer used a bump stock to kill any of the victims. The aft states a bump stock was recovered from the scene but we don’t even know if it was installed on a rifle. They also recovered knives & explosives that were not used.

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Jun 14, 2024, 6:24 PM [ in reply to Re: I Thought The Point Was To Save Lives --- ]
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I only know of one. He would have probably killed much more had he been "sniping" instead of "spraying".

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True, it would have gone unnoticed for a longer period of time. Interesting he had such a wide array of AR's and each of them were bump stock equipped. He got the perfect room to attack that event, brought in all that gear, etc... It had to be very well financed and planned.

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Jun 14, 2024, 5:46 PM
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Democrats have been in control the majority of the last 20’years. Sounds like y’all are preferring NRA donations over sensible gun laws!

Did I do that right?

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The right of the people to keep and bear Arms

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Jun 14, 2024, 5:50 PM
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….shall not be infringed.”

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Jun 14, 2024, 10:05 PM
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EarleHall said:

….shall not be infringed.”



I think you forgot the dependent clause “A well-regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state . . .

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Jun 15, 2024, 8:37 AM
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O ye of little knowledge. I noticed you deftly left out the very important comma in your post.

The II Amendment reads as follows:

A well regulated militia (,) Being necessary to the security of a free State (,) the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

Ok, what is a militia? First it is not the "National Guard", at the writing of the Constitution the militia was every able bodied male aged 18-45. Being necessary to the security of a free state. A free state at the writing was referring to the thirteen signatories of the Constitution. Currently South Carolina's Constitution Section 4 Article XIII authorizes and describes militia members as all able bodied males aged 18-45. The governor has sole power to "call" out the militia. The right of the people to keep and bear arms (shall) not be infringed. Government shall not prohibit citizens (people) in any manner from owning, keeping firearms or ammunitions in their homes or the ability to bear these same arms.

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In the language if the day...

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Jun 15, 2024, 12:06 PM [ in reply to Re: The right of the people to keep and bear Arms ]
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Virtually every able bodied adult make was a militia member. "Well regulated" meant "well drilled".

Don't try to twist the original meaning.

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Jun 15, 2024, 3:36 PM [ in reply to Re: The right of the people to keep and bear Arms ]
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Well regulated in 18th century English meant well practiced, competent, expert.

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Jun 14, 2024, 6:15 PM
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SCOTUS reversed the ban because it was not a legislated law, it was an edict of the BATFE. BATFE can not make law.

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Jun 14, 2024, 6:28 PM
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Any moran with a lick of sense would use explosives instead of a bump stock weapon if they wanted to inflict mass casualties at a football game. And no, they are not hard to get. What we need to do is lock these mental cases up in institutions. When the nuts were in the nut house, we didn't have mass killings.

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There has been a spike of the Timmys and Tommys that has never displayed this kind of
mass violence and killing before. Then when they start doing some digging......they have been just waiting their time for 3 years. Got more weapons than an Army Surplus store in a small town in Idaho.

Some of these states with a lot of wasted looking land would be perfect for some added mental institutions.

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Jun 14, 2024, 9:56 PM [ in reply to Re: I Thought The Point Was To Save Lives --- ]
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Yeah we did. They were mass shootings always. Also, we often don't even know they are nuts now until the damage is done. A perfect example is the dude in Las Vegas.

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Jun 14, 2024, 11:27 PM
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So X, Facebook, Instagram and all the others can know when someone does not follow the "party line" but can't report an individual that is a nut case? My, my

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Jun 15, 2024, 6:12 PM
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They don't worry about the party line. The worry about complete bullshyatt nonsense...conspiracy junk. Anyway, as far as these shooters, we usually don't know. They don't know either.

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No one needs bump stocks.

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Jun 14, 2024, 6:37 PM
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The authors of the second amendment weren’t referring to bump stocks.

And yes, this is absolutely the wrong board for your post.

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They were referring to military weapons. Despite what Joe Biden says, most of the artillery pieces in the US were owned by private citizens and companies (ship owners) at the time of the Bill of rights. The 2A fully intended for the private citizen to be able to own parrot gun and canister, which was truly the WMD of that time.

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It's a right, not a need.

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You aren't qualified to decide what anyone else needs.

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No one needs to ride in the front of the bus.

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Jun 14, 2024, 7:19 PM [ in reply to No one needs bump stocks. ]
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Learn what a right is.

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Jun 14, 2024, 7:44 PM [ in reply to No one needs bump stocks. ]
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No one needs you, either. That doesn’t mean you can’t exist.

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Jun 15, 2024, 10:30 AM [ in reply to No one needs bump stocks. ]
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They were not referring to the percussion rifle either. They understood that firearms would evolve over a period. Don't try to go down that road, they knew what they were doing.

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Jun 15, 2024, 7:22 PM [ in reply to No one needs bump stocks. ]
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So the judge has judged. All of us. Pretty typical.

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The authors of the second amendment weren’t referring to bump stocks.

And yes, this is absolutely the wrong board for your post.




Perhaps you are correct that no one needs bump stocks. In order to ban them, there needs to be a law stating they are illegal. The premise of the executive order was the bump stock made the gun an automatic weapon (which there is a law to ban) which is obviously not true. Unfortunately neither side in congress want to govern for the people as they would rather use the issue to get re-elected. Same applies to abortion, legal weed and a multitude of other issues not supported by the American people. The Supreme Court is correctly doing their job but congress not so much

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Jun 14, 2024, 6:42 PM
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If you actually read the SCOTUS decision, the justices did not say whether bump stocks were constitutional or not. They issued a broad ruling saying that government agencies (ATF in this case), unelected bureaucrats and the executive branch overstepped their authority and if a law is to be made in regards to bump stocks or other firearm modifications, the law must come from Congress

BECOME KNOWLEDGEABLE BEFORE YOU RUN YOUR MOUTH

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Xander5000 said:

who is to stop someone from coming into Death Valley one day or even perch themselves somewhere close to Death Valley and just start wiping a lot of us out in the stands while we're just trying to watch our Tigers kick #### ??




Why do you think banning bump stocks fixes this concern?

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Jun 15, 2024, 7:37 PM
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He said “I'm doing the math. ...50 to 80 people being shot in a minute compared to 6 or 7 in a minute.” So he must believe a bumps stock would change a semi automatic weapon from 6-7 shots per minute to 50-80. I’m pretty sure my semi automatic rifle and pistol will both fire a lot faster than 6-7 shots per minute. I’ve never tried to see how fast they will shoot because I handle my guns responsibly. But the numbers he stated create more fear and panic so it fits the gun regulation agenda better.

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I believe this Supreme Court has the worst collection of justices ever in the entire history of the supreme court!!!

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Jun 14, 2024, 10:00 PM
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I agree that often legislation intended to stop mass casualties sometimes touches law-abiding citizens, which is unfortunate. That said, if you own a rifle of any type for hunting, target practice, or home defense, do you really care whether your mag has a 10-round capacity or 50+ rounds? Not rhetorical, I really want to know.

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Jun 15, 2024, 10:42 AM
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Do some wild hog hunting and you will care if you have 10 or 30.

2A is not about hunting. 2A is about the citizenry being able to overthrow a corrupt govt if need be.

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Jun 16, 2024, 7:38 PM [ in reply to Re: I Thought The Point Was To Save Lives --- ]
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Bb1776 said:

I agree that often legislation intended to stop mass casualties sometimes touches law-abiding citizens, which is unfortunate. That said, if you own a rifle of any type for hunting, target practice, or home defense, do you really care whether your mag has a 10-round capacity or 50+ rounds? Not rhetorical, I really want to know.

I want to have as many rounds to fire back as the person firing at me. For sure that guy ain’t gonna be concerned about a magazine limit.

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Jun 15, 2024, 10:59 AM [ in reply to Re: I Thought The Point Was To Save Lives --- ]
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Because they actually rule on the Constitution?

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This SCOTUS is GREAT! One of the best ever.


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They are doing what they are supposed to do.

Following the Constitution. (2A)
Not legislating from the bench
Reigning in regulatory agencies that try to make laws (bump sticks)
Stopping decades of illegal monopolies a d interference with interstate commerce (NCAA vs Alston)
Getting the federal government out of topics that are outside the powers granted them by the Constitution (I returning Rie v Wade)

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Jun 15, 2024, 11:56 AM [ in reply to Re: I Thought The Point Was To Save Lives --- ]
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At least three of them anyway!

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Jun 15, 2024, 7:07 AM
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them if that is what their constituents want. Same for abortion.

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Jun 15, 2024, 10:45 AM
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Most of the nimrods on here have grown up accepting the judiciary doing the legislating. The legislating branch has ceded most of it's power to unconstitutional agencies created by the executive branch.

The Supreme Court struck down Row V Wade because the Constitution does not address abortion in any fashion. Abortion was not banned as stated by the leftist is was returned to the states for each state to determine how they would address the matter.

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You need to do a bit more homework. You clearly are clueless on this matter


Jun 15, 2024, 8:38 AM
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N/m

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Bump stocks have never killed a single person******


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Jun 15, 2024, 12:08 PM
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They just make killing in mass easier and more efficient. An atomic bomb never has either in the scenario. I don't care about guns either way though. They aren't a factor for me.

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No, they don't.


Jun 15, 2024, 12:12 PM
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As others posted above, there are hand techniques that do essentially the same thing as bump stocks, without any after market hardware.

And...your point is moot, because government overreach was the Constitutional issue in the SCOTUS case in question.

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Jun 15, 2024, 2:10 PM
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I agree with them on this, this si the job of Congress, The president can not pick winners an losers in the free market, even if it is a dangerous product. although I hate that this was overturned. Sometimes it best to leave well enough alone. But the irony here is they revoking a Trump EO under the Guise of executive overreach, while simultaneously hearing arguments about whether the President should be immune from prosecution. The Hypocrisy is breathtaking.

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Jun 15, 2024, 12:02 PM
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That’s like blaming a fork for making you fat. We have a problem with people which is mostly mental health issues. I grew up in the 1970’s and 80’s. Almost every pickup truck in the school lot had a shotgun or rifle in the rear window gun rack. Zero school shootings. You cannot legislate hate and murder out of peoples hearts. If someone wants to commit murder there isn’t much that can stop them.

Let’s look at England. They banned all guns and the murder rate went up. Why? Because the bad guys knew they could break into a home without fearing the homeowner defending themselves with guns. Home invasions are up 400%, murders with knives, hammers, and clubs are up 423%. Sure, no one’s getting shot but the deaths are up. They still have mass stabbings an and mass murders because people still want to kill. The stats don’t lie. Gun control only prevents law abiding citizens from exercising their constitutional rights. Like I said earlier, a fork isn’t to blame for your 40% BMI score.

Here’s some education for you: https://crimeresearch.org/2016/04/murder-and-homicide-rates-before-and-after-gun-bans/

https://apnews.com/article/knife-attacks-britain-0a221cbd20d467cea952373bf13cab07

Now, England wants to ban all knives. Can’t make this crap up. When the knives are gone it will be cricket/baseball bats. When those are gone it will be rocks. Education and mental health treatment will cause rates to drop. News flash: criminals don’t follow gun laws. 99% of all mash shooting have been perpetrated by mentally ill people that illegally obtained a gun. When they outlaw guns only outlaws will have guns. I have had concealed carry permits for 30 plus years. I carry to save lives. I would never use a gun in any other way. Not to take lives, to save lives. Another fact is that law abiding citizens with concealed carry have never perpetrated a mass shooting. Any story you read about a person using their concealed carry weapon involves them stopping a murderer before they can get started. So many senior citizens with concealed carry have stopped killers in their tracks. Here’s an analogy that fits really well. Your car check engine light comes on. You place electrical tape to cover the light. Sure, the symptom is covered up but the cause is still festering and making the probability Of engine failure grows. We’re covering up the symptom and not testing the root cause. The root cause is mental health issues. The root cause is the parents not raising their kids the best way. Healthy minds start at home and can be maintained through proper mental health screening and treatments. We don’t have a gun problem. We have a people problem.

As far as bump stops go, I’m not a fan. I am glad SCOTUS stood up for the part of right to bear arms which states these rights cannot be infringed upon.

I also realize that about 50% of the people won’t agree with me. The facts show that murder rates increase when guns are banned. Because people know they have a lower chance of being retaliated against when no law abiding citizens own guns to defend themselves. Let’s go ahead and ban cars too. They kill far more people than guns. Let’s ban forks because they are making us all fat. I’m prepared for the TD’s I’m about to receive. I’m ok with that. Politics polarize absolutely.

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Jun 15, 2024, 3:47 PM
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Well said OneJedi. Crime is out of control in this country. It would even be worse if everyday people couldn't arm themselves.

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Stop spreading lies please.


Jun 15, 2024, 6:04 PM [ in reply to Re: I Thought The Point Was To Save Lives --- ]
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The claim that "99% of all mass shootings are committed by mentally ill people who illegally obtained a gun" is not accurate. Research indicates that only a small percentage of mass shooters have a serious mental illness, and many obtain their firearms legally. Studies show that severe mental illness is a factor in only about 5% to 17% of mass shootings. Furthermore, around 77% of firearms used in mass shootings are acquired legally. This oversimplified claim not only misrepresents the complexities behind mass shootings but also unfairly stigmatizes individuals with mental illness. For more detailed information, you can refer to the following sources:

1. FactCheck.org: https://www.factcheck.org/2022/05/the-facts-on-mental-illness-and-mass-shootings/

2. Columbia University Department of Psychiatry: https://www.columbiapsychiatry.org/news/there-link-between-mental-health-and-mass-shootings

3. National Institute of Justice: https://nij.ojp.gov/library/publications/public-mass-shootings-database-amasses-details-half-century-us-mass-shootings

4. The Violence Project: https://www.theviolenceproject.org/key-findings

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At least two of those are biased and unreliable******


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I wonder which NRA official took Thomas and Alito on a 5 star vacation....

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Jun 15, 2024, 12:04 PM
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...supreme court is now full of corrupt bible beaters.

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Why do you hate the Constitution...


Jun 15, 2024, 12:13 PM
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and other people's Constitutional freedoms?

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First off

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Jun 15, 2024, 12:55 PM
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trump is the one that banned them through E. They argue that this needs to be handled in congress through policy, but good luck with that.

And bump stocks are not firearms, they are not covered under the Second Amendment any more than incendiary rounds, something that civilians also do not have access to.

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That statement is completely bogus.


Jun 15, 2024, 2:39 PM
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Anything to do with firearms including parts of a weapon, how many rounds it fires, magazine capacity, range, or any other related technology is explicitly protected by the 2nd Amendment.

What part of "...shall not be infringed..."
don't you understand?

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Jun 15, 2024, 4:20 PM
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sorry bud, bump stocks are not arms, and owning a gun does nto make you billy badass. THey make you more of a threat than a deterrent, cause 1/2 the population is dumber than fugg and statistics prove that the majority of gun-related homicides are accidents and suicides, rarely do they deter crime, nor make you safer. Owning one makes you 4x more likely to be shot by one, that is a fact. I say have at it. Have as many as you like and let Darwin sort it out.

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Gun ownership definitely deters crime


Jun 16, 2024, 3:32 AM
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The vast majority of mass shootings take place in gun free zones. I don’t disagree there a many idiots that own guns. They also own cars and I would argue there’s a better chance they’ll injure themselves or someone else with their car over their gun. I for one feel much safer knowing I’m out & about with an armed populace than an unarmed populace. At least the armed populace has a fighting chance to defend themselves and eliminate any threat. If you feel differently, I respect that. In this world there are wolves, there are sheep, and there are shepherds. Whatever you choose to be is your prerogative and I respect that. I also expect your mutual respect for whichever I decide to be.

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Jun 15, 2024, 3:09 PM [ in reply to First off ]
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It's about the Administrative branch and unelected government employees creating and enforcing regulations that are outside their Constitutional authority.

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I love the Constitution...

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Jun 15, 2024, 5:35 PM [ in reply to Why do you hate the Constitution... ]
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...and this is why I object to corrupted justices interpreting it.

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Jun 15, 2024, 6:14 PM
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On a different note, do you have a gun in Colombia? How are the laws there when it comes to guns?

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To be honest, I have nothing against guns at all.

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Jun 15, 2024, 6:17 PM
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I do believe in background checks first - call me crazy.

If you did have a gun in Colombia you might win the first battle, but it would get crazy after that, trust me.

Guns require a special license in Colombia and are not easy to get. I talked to my wife about it and if it were easy access to guns we don't think it would turn out well in this culture.

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Jun 15, 2024, 6:20 PM
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I believe in strict background checks on every sale or even a gift, no matter what the scenario is.

Anyway, do you have a gun and how strict is it down there?

I don't have a gun. Don't want one and don't need one. I am not anti-gun or anything. I like common sense laws though.

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Hard to get guns here, I don't have one.

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The criminals have no problem finding them though ;).

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Really? Corrupt???

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Jun 16, 2024, 5:56 PM [ in reply to I wonder which NRA official took Thomas and Alito on a 5 star vacation.... ]
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Why do liberals always resort to name calling? I’ll tell you why, they can’t back up their statements with facts. They are so obtuse that they can’t even consider another point of view. Either you agree with them OR you are corrupt, deplorable, racist, etc. They secumb to name calling in a desperate attempt to salvage their flawed arguments. It’s really pathetic.

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Jun 15, 2024, 4:32 PM
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All should flag post like this on the football board.

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Typical rant from a completely uneducated


Jun 16, 2024, 1:01 AM
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point of view.

1. The decision has to do with Chevron Deference and bureaucrats making law instead of Congress. SCOTUS simply decided AFT overstepped their authority.
2. There is absolutely zero proof the LV murderer used a bump stock.

You are part of the problem. Educate yourself on the facts before spouting off and become part of the solution.

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Jun 16, 2024, 6:07 AM
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It is confirmed that two of his weapons in that room at bump stocks attached to them and they were used. That is confirmed. I don't care about gum control and don't really care about the issue much. I don't think we will ever solve the issue. But yes, it is proven that he did have two guns in his room that had bump stocks.

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Prove it******


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Please back up your statement


Jun 16, 2024, 3:36 PM [ in reply to Re: Typical rant from a completely uneducated ]
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with proof. You are wrong on this buddy.

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Jun 16, 2024, 6:59 AM
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The point of the 2nd Amendment was to guarantee the integrity of all the other Amendments from assault by a tyrannical and overbearing government, sorta like the one we have now. See at the time, the Framers really couldn’t conceive of a situation like we have now where the right of a person to defend himself, his family and his property would ever be jeopardized by said overbearing & tyrannical government (see above).

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Jun 16, 2024, 7:07 AM
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None don't have one now and they wouldn't help us vs a tyrannical government even if we did have one. At the time though, they would definitely help. Long story short, guns are going nowhere and people are just making their own ghost guns now. I think we just need to concentrate on the culture in this country.

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Tired of the all the culture wars dominating the conversation.

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Jun 16, 2024, 9:56 AM
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I don’t care about guns or tranny bathrooms.

Healthcare expense is out of control, we have a shrinking middle class, stagnant wages, monopolies, captured regulatory agencies, politicians enriching themselves, etc etc etc.

F everything else until those are fixed.

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Jun 16, 2024, 11:11 AM
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So you would be in favor of returning to free market enterprise and self-determination rather than socialism & the regulatory state?

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Jun 16, 2024, 3:49 PM
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Do you think we are a socialist country?

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Jun 16, 2024, 10:23 AM
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They outlawed bump stocks because the assault weapons ban expired and the anti-gun faction had to have some incrementalist ploy the erode the 2A. Rest assured they could care less about protecting the public from mass shootings, home invasions or armed robbery. The 2A was devised by the Framers to protect the other Amendments and the populace from tyrannical and overbearing government. They never envisioned a society where a person’s right to protect themselves, their loved ones or their property would ever be jeopardized by government interference (see above).

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Jun 16, 2024, 2:55 PM
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When these characters Biden has allowed over the border come calling, you will be glad we 2nd Amendment guys are around.

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Jun 17, 2024, 7:42 AM
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LOL. Any half-interested citizen can look up the crime stats. I'll spare you the effort; if Democrats voluntarily turned in all the guns they had "acquired", 80% of gun violence would end overnight.

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