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I don't understand the world anymore. DW has been

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Aug 18, 2022, 6:30 PM
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suspended for 11 games and fined 5 million dollars and has to satisfactorily complete behavioral therapy and evaluation.

What exactly was he suspended and fined for? What exactly is he being treated and evaluated for? What is the therapy supposed to accomplish?

He has admitted no wrongdoing, and has steadfastly, consistently maintained his innocence - to this day. He has not been charged, much less found guilty of any crimes.

So, no wrongdoing, no crimes. This is total bullsh*t.

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Re: I don't understand the world anymore. DW has been

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Aug 18, 2022, 6:37 PM
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Complete ########, and they weren’t even licensed massage therapist. What’s worse is how quickly some of the fan base has turned on him when he gave everything he had for Clemson. People get more up in arms over people who are actually guilty of crimes then a man who’s considered guilty by Twitter.

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Well the allegations were "egregious" according to a judge.

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Aug 18, 2022, 6:45 PM
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I guess he had to be punished, whether he is guilty or not.

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Re: Well the allegations were "egregious" according to a judge.


Aug 18, 2022, 7:13 PM
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Bingo

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arbitrator . They keep bringing up


Aug 19, 2022, 10:42 AM
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her former job to give he more relevancy.. BUT she has no official judicial power in this instance.

She is simply acting as an middle person on behalf of the NFL owners at the demand of the NFL players. The NFL owners still overruled her.

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Of the four cases the NFL heard 3 were from licensed massage therapists and the fourth was working towards licensure. His accusers absolutely include licensed massage therapists.

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Re: no but badgering your way into sexual contact

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Aug 18, 2022, 6:59 PM
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Might well be. Sorry the hero has fallen from grace but he has. Spectacularly too I might add. The fact is his behavior is a #### embarrassment.

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Total, 100% HORSESH*T.

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Aug 18, 2022, 7:05 PM
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That's not the way it works in America, or at least it's not supposed to. A person should not be punished for what we think they may have done. It's innocent until proven guilty.

So again, I'll ask ... He maintains total innocence. He has been charged with no crimes. What is he being punished for? Are allegations enough, without any proof or evidence? If so, we are all in deep, deep sh*t.

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Re: Total, 100% HORSESH*T.

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Aug 18, 2022, 7:29 PM
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Do not get the US legal system confused with the woke NFL.

He didn’t commit any crime. Fact. He wasn’t charged or disciplined in any way by the US legal system.

Now his employer holds the right to basically do as will. As do most employers in this country. If he doesn’t like it he can find another employer. But i doubt they would pay him $200 million. If one of us worked for any major company in America and caused such a national news #### storm. we’d be canned immediately. fact.

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That's my point. He is being severely punished for the

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accusations alone, which look bad for the brand, and the brand must be protected. That's what this is all about, and that's my point. This does not mean he is guilty of any sexual wrongdoing or misconduct, and it's wrong for us to assume he is.

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Re: That's my point. He is being severely punished for the

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you’re correct. It was decided by TWO grand juries who got to see waaaaay more evidence than we ever will, that he was innocent. CASE CLOSED.

But his employer who is scrutinized by its 200+million fans was not only embarrassed by the publicity but is now caught up in a national news storm during a ridiculous time when everyone gets their feelings hurt for everything.

So yes, from a business standpoint if my employee put me and my company in that spotlight, i’d drop the hammer on him hard, guilty or not. That’s the business side of this that you’re not seeing.

Yeah it’s wrong, but he’s lucky to keep his job. If it was some hack like Blake Bortles or someone they’d be canned completely.

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Just wanted to point out there’s a big difference in a grand jury deciding there isn’t enough evidence to go to trial and a grand jury deciding that someone is innocent.

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Aug 18, 2022, 10:48 PM
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Exactly. And a big difference between criminal court and civil court.

I guess the people defending DW4 because he wasn't convicted also think OJ was innocent?

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OJ was charged and given a chance to offer a defense.

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Aug 18, 2022, 11:45 PM
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DW was never even charged, much less given a chance to defend, yet so many are assuming he's guilty. That's wrong.

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Re: OJ was charged and given a chance to offer a defense.


Aug 19, 2022, 8:29 AM
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The arbiter saw the evidence.

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Huge difference between OJ & DW. Grand Jury found sufficient evidence to remand OJ for criminal prosecution but State’s Attorney could not prove guilt. Of course OJ was guilty. That “if it doesn’t fit u must acquit” was total BS. Nobody can fit a leather glove over a latex glove. Huge mistake by the prosecution.

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With all due respect grand juries don’t (and can’t) decide guilt or innocence. They can decide ONLY if there is sufficent evidence to remand the accused to trial by a criminal court. Then it is the decision of the state’s attorney to decide if there is reasonable cause to expect that a conviction might be obtained. DW4 was essentially exonerated from criminal prosecution. Civil court is a whole ‘nother ballgame.

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He has brought embarrassment to his company and destroyed his reputation. If 20+ women showed up at your company accusing and filing suit against you for assault and/or soliciting them for sexual services, it wouldn't go well for you either.

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What exactly did he do that brought embarrassment to his

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company? How do you know that they all aren't lying? And yes, it's very possible that 20+ women would lie if there were a monetary incentive.

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Aug 19, 2022, 4:58 PM
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I really hope your employer never reads any of your thoughts on this and/or you don’t talk about this at work, you would be fired, while DW4 only got a suspension and a fine 😃

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The "woke" NFL? Are you kidding? The NFL that stood by

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and let Trump call its players "SOB's"? The same NFL that capitulated to conservative snowflakes and refused to support Kaepernick? The same NFL that has its head so far up the military's butt, we now think that a football game can't start without a flyover?

That "woke" NFL?

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in the NFL

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I'm sure hundreds of professsional athletes, many who are

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admired and worshipped, induldge the services of working women every day.

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Well, they weren't stupid enough to get caught with their

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Aug 18, 2022, 9:16 PM
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hand in 66 cookie jars over a 17 month period...He was a predator, he literally preyed on massage therapists, and I refuse to turn a blind eye to it simply because he played for Clemson, and frankly, I'm surprised YOU are...Would you be so quick to defend him if he played for USC or UGA?

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Predator?


Aug 18, 2022, 11:32 PM
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So you're saying he exploited the women?

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So why is it NONE of the so-called "prostitutes"

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Aug 18, 2022, 11:41 PM
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Why did none of them come forward after seeing Deshaun? None of them voiced any concerns and many of them saw Deshaun more than once. None of them had any issues with their business encounter.. it wasn't until some dirtbag lawyer who lives by the owner made a concerted effort to round up the previous business partners.

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How do you know he preyed on those women - based on what?


Aug 18, 2022, 11:54 PM
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Why was he never charged with any crimes? Show me where it has been established that he did anything other than visit multiple massage therapists who later accused him of sexual misconduct.

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So you're saying Watson went to "working women"?


Aug 18, 2022, 10:05 PM
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Funny--that's not what he and the Browns say. They say he went to "massage therapists" for "massages" and that he's "innocent." If you saw somewhere that he actually visited upwards of 60 "working women," please do tell!

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No, I did not say that.


Aug 18, 2022, 11:59 PM
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I'm saying that if he did, he'd be no different that hundreds of other NFL players, and we don't even care. This is all about the fact that women have accused DW, and the NFL doesn't have the bawls to stand up and say that maybe he's innocent, and should be regarded as such until proven otherwise.

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Re: No, I did not say that.

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The NFL has a policy that straight up states that a player can violate the policy by doing something that is irresponsible(doesn't have to be against the law" and/or damages the reputation of the league. By suspending him the league isn't so much saying they believe Watson is guilty of sexual assault. They're basically saying that he at the very least acted irresponsible and that the result of his actions brought negative attention to the league.

I think common sense would suggest that at the very least Watson was attempting to pay women for sex. I honestly think that's what happened. I think he probably paid some of these women for sex, and at some point ran into women who wanted no part in that which is how this all started. That's a lot different from sexual assault, but paying a woman for sex is still illegal and still looks bad for the league when something like that goes public.

I also think there's a big difference in going into a bar and trying to hook up with a woman, and being in a professional setting with a woman and trying to hook up with her. Let's change the whole massage thing for an example. Would you not see any difference in trying to pick up a woman in a social gathering, and straight up asking the cashier ringing up your order if she wants to have sex with you?

Here's the first section of the NFL conduct policy:

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Conduct by anyone in the league that is illegal, violent, dangerous, or irresponsible puts innocent
victims at risk, damages the reputation of others in the game, and undercuts public respect and support for the NFL. We must endeavor at all times to be people of high character; we must show respect for others inside and outside our workplace; and we must strive to conduct ourselves in ways that favorably reflect on ourselves, our teams, the communities we represent, and the NFL.

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I think common sense would suggest that at the very least Watson was attempting to pay women for sex. I honestly think that's what happened. I think he probably paid some of these women for sex, and at some point ran into women who wanted no part in that which is how this all started.

Your common sense and assumptions aside, where and when was it established that DW paid or attempted to pay women for sex? I'm just curious, because he still denies it.

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Why would he admit to committing a crime? He did admit to having sex with some of the women at least. Do you really think he went on Instagram for these women, and even paid to fly some of them to his location simply to get a massage, or even just to hope that he'd politely ask for free sex from them? Or do you think it's more likely he went on Instagram for these women because he thought either correctly or wrongly that these were the types you could tip a little extra to for favors?

To be clear, I'm not saying that trying to pay a little extra for a happy ending makes him a monster or anything, especially if the woman is looking to make that extra money for doing that. I'm just saying that it's still illegal and still a bad look on the reputation of the NFL which is what's gotten him into trouble here.

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Aug 19, 2022, 11:59 AM
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But he didn't go to "working women." He went to massage therapists. Quit conflating the two. The Browns have put in his contract that he can only use Browns-approved therapists.

Even they know he has a problem.

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Aug 19, 2022, 4:48 PM
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Could you show me that list of "hundreds of NFL players" if you aren't just speculating?

Why is it that nobody else has had two-dozen women come forward?

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"Whoremongering" ... so the young ladies were prostitutes?


Aug 18, 2022, 11:35 PM
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I thought you said DW was a predator? How can someone prey on prostitutes?

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I promise whoever you work for would just fire your ### if they got wind of you being sued 24 times for the same behavior by different people because it's a stain on their image. That is how it works in Merica. In SC alone they don't even need a reason. Right to work y'all (right to starve too)

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You're an idiot.

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The NFL isn't a court of law. They aren't beholden to American legal standards. They're a multimillion dollar corporation, and their investigation convinced them that Watson did some...at very best...shady, dirty, manipulative, unethical, abusive stuff to a bunch of women. They'd rather their players--and maybe even specifically their quarterbacks--not do shady, dirty, manipulative, unethical, abusive stuff to a bunch of women.

If at that point, they want to fine him and suspend him, they can. He wasn't found "guilty" in a court of law. But even so...a federal judge backed the NFL, and confirmed the NFL's findings. Feel free to read the actual report from the judge if you want the truth.

Or you can keep your head in the sand. Your choice.

https://www.beaconjournal.com/story/sports/pro/browns/2022/08/01/read-sue-l-robinsons-deshaun-watson-decision-suspension/10204338002/


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If he did those things, he should have been locked up.


Aug 19, 2022, 12:14 AM
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No question.

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Yet, both learned there were bogus facts chased through multiple departments that could have been vetted easily but they followed a fake Dossier.

Innocence doesn't mean squat if a party wants you exiled.

Not to turn this thread political, but the agenda of the most vocal outweighs the quiet perturbed majority in almost all cases nowadays. What happened to the Judge and Jurors got it right?

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I thought it was pretty classy to use massage


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Therapists in lieu of hookers.

The man has a reputation to uphold

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No but sexually assaulting them is.

Let me ask - it's a he said she (x26) said scenario. Why do you believe him? You know Deshaun about as well as you know all of the women that are accusing him (that is to say: not at all). What makes him trustworthy but all of them not? Because he played football for a team you like?

And let me ask - what if your daughter or sister told you they'd been sexually assaulted? Would you believe them? Based on all statistics around sexual assault there's a high probability their assaulter would never be charged with a crime. Would you call them all the terrible things people have called Watson's accusers? Would you tell them their assaulter is innocent until proven guilty? Because if not then frankly you're just a hypocrite. And if so I sincerely hope there's no woman in the world who feels like you are their best option to go to when they're in need.

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Should everybody who is accused of sexual assault be

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assumed guilty? Is that what you are saying? That's messed up.

I bet I could get 26 women to lie about you and accuse you of just about anything. Would it be right to punish you with no trial, evidence/defense, much less convistiuon? No it wouldn't. It's not right for DW either. It's not right for anybody.

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He violated the NFLs personal conduct policy

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Players can do that without bring charged with a crime.

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20 or more women!

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If you can find 26 woman that will:

1. Accuse me of sexual assault
2. Go public with it so they can be shamed, called all kinds of names, and dragged through the mud
3. Can prove via traceable and verified communication that I both met with, was actually alone with, and apologized for some action that occurred while I was alone them
4. AND have me admit under penalty of perjury that I made one of them cry while alone with them

Then I will admit you're correct. But news flash: you can't. False sexual assault allegations are rare. 26 false sexual assault allegations with the circumstantial evidence present in this instance is unheard of. And frankly the fact that you think you can easily find 26 women to falsely accuse anyone of sexual assault shows exactly how little respect you have for women.

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Watson being famous and wealthy negates a WHOLE lot of your arguments.

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What argument does it negate?

Access to that many massage therapists is about it. Watson being rich and famous is the whole argument for #2. The women knew they would be drug through the mud because of how high profile it is. #3 is verifiable fact. The conversations happened and the content is unchanged because of Watson's fame. Same for #4. Watson's fame has nothing to do with his admissions under oath.

Going after someone rich and famous just means you're going after someone who has all the means to fight legally. It's why it was a big big deal when women finally came together to go after Weinstein and Cosby. But based on this thread I'd bet most here probably believe those guys definitely deserve to be walking around without punishment too.

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Pretty surprising then that there aren’t hundreds of famous athletes being accused of similar things by 20+ women all at once.

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If my daughter or sister came to me and said they were going to start a career of massaging naked men in their hotel rooms I would tell them they had better be prepared to say no to sexual advances. Or if they don’t feel they can do that then they should never do that alone.

DW made bad choices, but asking for sex is not really illegal (with the exception of paying for it in most states). Unless all these women are mentally handicapped though, they should not be given a path to financial riches from their bad decisions either. The further “punishment” from the NFL is a complete joke. Either say he was not charged for anything illegal and move on, or fire him for the perceived harm he caused to your brand.

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Deshaun Watson is not accused of asking for sex. He's accused of sexually assaulting women. They are not the same.

And becoming a massage therapist is not a bad decision. Nor is accepting a high profile client. Nor is giving a massage to someone covered with only a towel. It's literally a business.

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Agreed- giving massages in a controlled environment is certainly a legitimate business.

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And how do you define a controlled environment for a massage? You do understand because of their nature they are conducted in private right?

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The masseuse needs to be prepared to say NO, and mean it. Have someone available to step in immediately upon issues arising. Spell out the rules prior to initiating the contact very close to the client's "goody parts". Don't be vague about your intentions in your advertising or before the service begins.

I'm certainly not implying DW was a saint in this situation. He was creepy and had "bad" (in polite society) things in mind. But I'm also saying the masseuse needs to be prepared for this situation because they are putting themselves in that position.

Yadda, yadda, yadda - victim blaming, I know....

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Key word…ACCUSED…they all settled and he was found innocent by two grand jury’s … not one legal investigation by the proper authorities has resulted at n any credible evidence that he assaulted anyone!!! Period!!!

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Grand juries do not determine guilt or innocence.

Our justice system is completely set up to fail sexual assault victims out of necessity and you're falling directly into the idea that it's bulletproof.

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I know this dude…but there wasn’t even enough evidence for them to even think there should be a trial…think about it…in the city and state that he spurned, run by untra conservatives and they couldn’t even come up with anything that should go to trial…that’s about as innocent as one can be criminally!!!

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Do you think OJ was innocent? Or was simply found "not guilty" by a jury. He later lost civil suits due to a preponderance of evidence.

DW4 is settling to avoid losing civil suits.

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I don't think the legal system found any sexual assault.


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That case was closed. It boiled down to code of conduct, and that's it.

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Regardless of whether or not a Grand Jury thought that there was enough evidence to reasonably charge.

The arbiter saw the evidence and her report is out there.

DW4 is even in therapy - though he keeps saying he did nothing wrong, settled for millions with most of the accusers, and just negotiated a $5 million payment to the NFL.

Had he attended Georgia or SC, nobody on this board would be defending the behavior.

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I’m assuming that if my daughter would have been sexually assaulted (not sexually propositioned) that she would want that guy charged and in jail and would not settle for $100k … I would want his #### in jail…but you know what … only 4 were felt soooo Assaukted that they pressed charges and they couldn’t even get a grand jury of conservatives from Texas after DW spurned the Texans to even come up with a thought that he could have done it so there needs to be a trial…the other 22-26 didn’t even care about charges…it’s all a money grab for a dude who was seeking multiple pay for massage and happy ending partners through a back channel which is why none of them are even licensed..:money grab…they got what they wanted..:

Your not my daughter would have settled for that if the accusations were that bad and true!!! That is all you need to know!!!

They are making him get counseling because it’s obvious what he was after…and that’s a problem in todays society…it’s also obvious what the girls were after…that’s also a problem in todays society!!!

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There's so much wrong in this statement. Please for the love of god educate yourself on the facts of the case before talking about it again.

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Two grand jury’s had the facts of the case (more than we will ever know) and BOTH said there wasn’t enough there to even arrest, charge or warrant a trial…what else does one need to know or educate themself for???

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Let’s say your daughter is giving a professional massage to a man and that man decides to whip out his junk, grab her by the hand and move her hand over to touch his junk. Just how much evidence do you think your daughter would have available to prove that happened?

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And sexual assault is a crime.

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Yes it is. My reply was for those who keep pointing out that Watson must be innocent based on the grand jury determining there wasn't enough evidence to go to trial or that more of the women didn't press charges. Even if Watson made all 20+ women touch his junk(not saying they all accused him of this or anything) there would be zero evidence of that happening unless there was somehow a video recording of it. Something like that would always be hard to take to trial because the evidence is pretty much only word vs. word.

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Guilty of that.

I think he asked for happy endings and sometimes got them. Like .. someone willingly touched him ..

This whole thing is so stupid. He went way to far flying them in and all.

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producing skill "hooking".

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Okay…3-4 out of 30???

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DW. Being unaware of media manipulation, emotional triggers via specific words & phrases, and an array of propaganda techniques dispersed through a variety of media platforms doesn't excuse those who turned their backs on DW but it does expose them willfully ignorant.

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Yes, it's those of us who believe it's more likely that one man is lying rather than 26 women that are being willfully ignorant....

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Most of the 26 simply said he asked for sex while they were massaging his naked body. He admits to doing that. Most say when they in turn said no, he then said that was fine. There are only a handful that suggest he went any further than that, and even then it sounds like the women made a choice they later regretted. I think most people are not saying that all 26 women are “lying” but rather taking advantage of a man that made very poor, but not illegal, decisions.

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That is not what they accuse him of. You should consider not spreading misinformation.

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I can’t find the article right now, but when this first blew up there was a list of exactly what the 22 (at that time) were accusing him of. Well over half were exactly what I am saying. That doesn’t get the page views though, so the 3-4 that had bigger claims got all the headlines along with the note of “22+ Accusers “

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https://www.beaconjournal.com/story/sports/pro/browns/2022/08/01/read-sue-l-robinsons-deshaun-watson-decision-suspension/10204338002/


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Thanks I guess. I’ve read it before though.

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However, I don’t think DW4 is simply being diplomatic in his response to the punishments.

He sounds to me like he is unhappy yet satisfied to only have been suspended for 11 games, fined $5 million, and required to attend therapy. Read: he thinks it could have been worse and is happy to still able to play football/have a career.

Only Deshaun and those he settled with will know 🤷‍♂️

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is really going on, and I think THAT is egregious.

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It’s pretty obvious that he has displayed some sort of predatorial behavior. I’m not saying he broke any laws but let’s not lose perspective on what is. He actively sought out women whom he could receive sexual favors for, that were somewhat qualified to massage him as well.

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pretty sure i did. read my post.


The man actively sought out women to perform sexual favors for him. aka. dude was on the prowl. that’s called being a sexual predator. Now don’t go misinterpret that as he’s a serial rapist. because what he did was NOT illegal. But his behavior at the same time wasn’t exactly civil either.

If you had millions of dollars would you be buying a different hooker every week/month? You seem like a normal dude, so i doubt it. Why is that? Because it’s morally wrong? why is it wrong then? Because that behavior isn’t consistent with civil societies imo.

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####, I didn't realize when I went to the bar lookin to plow, I was a sexual predator. Sounds pretty dramatic to me.

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well yes it does sound dramatic but that doesn’t change what it is dude.

Like i said there’s a pretty large spectrum. on one hand you have the average guy out on the hunt for some poontang, on the other you have a serial rapist. Both are displaying predatory behavior right?

Now somewhere on that spectrum lies a fine line between acceptable by society standards and not acceptable. A young millionaire seeking and paying “massage therapists” for CONSENSUAL sexual favors kinda tiptoes that line don’t you think?

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PLOW!

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predator? That's a new one on me. Even if it's with multiple women, or for "sexual favors", as long as ut's between consenting adults, it's not illegal, and not necessarily immoral. Hundreds of NFL players probably do that every day, and nobody cares.

If DW has forced women to do things against their will, or assaulted any of them, that's very different. If it has been established that he did, please provide a link.

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nope no link to that. like i said i don’t believe he force anyone. And also like i said, neither did the US justice system.

BUT, one animal hunting another is the definition of predator. I know I know oooooo such a dramatic word. but it is what it is. Which means YES, when a dude casually goes to the bar hunting poon he’s being a predator. Now that scenario, if everything goes well can be completely legal and moral. Dude can catch his prey and have a happy ending. #### that’s basically how we were all born right.


Now, when we look at Deshauns behavior we see a different story. A young millionaire who enjoys a little extra from his massages from a certain type of woman whom advertise a certain way.

AGAIN, totally legal.


BUT, do you think it’s right? And do you think if you did the same thing while you were in the pinnacle of your career and it came out publicly, would you keep your job?

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A grown man seeking consensual sexual partners is "one animal hunting another" in a predatory way?

Oooooooookay!

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jeez man don’t take what i’m saying so far out of perspective. i agree with you for the most part. Just trying to show you why the NFL is doing what it’s doing. And why Deshaun could benefit from some therapy.

By the way, you never answered my question.

Do you think blowing your money on tens of hookers is morally right?

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in general, but I do not think it's morally wrong for any two adults to engage in sexual activity under mutually agreed upon terms, as long as nobody is hurt in the process.

Does the NFL have a specific policy against hookers?

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you continue to dance around my point. You me and most of the modern society we live in would not and do not advocate the frequenting of prostitutes because we have moral standards.

Buying a crap ton of hookers is morally unacceptable behavior point blank.

making your boss and his company look bad in front of 200+million people will get you in trouble. point blank.

If you can’t understand that, then idk?

I’ll close with a TU for you. I don’t want us to become Tnet enemies. I’ve enjoyed your posts in the past and look forward to reading them in the future. Good discussion.

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Where has it been established that these women were

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hookers? Got a link for that? If not, we're back to punishing him based on unverified assumptions again, which is far worse than what he us accused of.

Where has it been established (not assumed) that he did anything other than visit a bunch of massage therapists? Show me. If his employer thinks that makes them look bad, then they are wrong, and should be held accountable.

If my boss accused me of something without any proof, and fired me because of it, and millions were on the line, I'd have a lawyer in a heartbeat.

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Aug 18, 2022, 9:55 PM
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I know you’re not this jaded.

Good night sir.

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The dude made appointments for massages and once he was alone in the room with the women, he started flopping his #### around on them. Yeah, that is pretty obviously predatory behavior.

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He was addicted to happy endings, but he didn't force any sexual actions. That would have been a crime.

But there were no crimes.

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I'm pretty sure that pulling out your junk is a crime. It's hard to prove in this situation, and especially hard to prove that it wasn't an accident based on the situation. However, fully whipping out your junk to a woman in an attempt to have her touch it is in fact illegal.

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It’s not what he was being accused of, but if he was trying to pay women for sex then that is actually very much illegal.

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it predatory and creepy. I find it strange that those defending Watson can't entertain the possibility that Watson was/is on the road to being a legitimate serial sexual predator. Getting caught and getting help may have saved him from becoming something much worse.

That type of behavior just is not "normal." This didn't just happen once or twice. He booked 66 massage therapists and probably tried this with most, if not all, of them.

The man had just signed a 230 MILLION dollar contract with the Texans. He had nearly unlimited sexual options. He could've gotten a ridiculously hot GF. He could've gone for the Derek Jeter approach. He could've bought a private jet and flown to Vegas to bang real hookers legally. Instead of that he chose to coerce massage therapists. Lots of them. Like LOTS and LOTS of them. Again, that is CREEPY and NOT NORMAL behavior that, as i mentioned above, could even be the beginnings of a serial sexual predator.

If you can't see how any of this was wrong or concerning, I don't really know what else to say. Are the orange glasses that strong? I can only imagine how a coot player would be completely eviscerated and ###### to #### over here for doing the same thing.

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often looking for women to have sex with. I was actually successful a few times. I never considered myself a predator, nor did any of the women who I hooked up with. If I'd had millions of dollars, I'm sure I would have hooked up with a lot more. As I've said, tons of professional athletes are doing this every day, and nobody cares.

"It could have been the beginning of a sexual predator". COULD HAVE BEEN. Or it could have been a rich young star enjoying himself. Breaking no laws. Assaulting no one. Harming no one. But, a bunch of women claimed he did, so it must be true, at least some of it. Besides, it's creepy, and being creepy can cost you big time.

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you’re still missing the point.

In your career(i’m assuming you’re retired) If you brought forth a national news spotlight that spanned over a years worth of extremely negative headlines for the company you worked for….do you think you would have been reprimanded? fired? or nothing at all?

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From the NFL: "We are handing out a suspension and fine to DeShaun Watson for violation of League Policy with regards to personal conduct. In light of recent accusations of sexual assault and abuse, let it be clear that Mr. Watson has never been charged with any such crimes, and this punishment is in no way validation of those allegations, as he has maintained his innocence in those cases."

However, we know that this punishment is totally based on the assumption that DW is in fact guilty of those things. And that's wrong.

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What! The quote literally says “we are punishing Watson for making us look bad, even though he was proven not guilty of a crime”

How you you interpret that quote any other way!?!?

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anyone to think it was. Those are my words, what the NFL should say if that us what they meant, but it's not. They are afraid to say that DW is assumed innocent.

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"Please massage me all around my crotch?"

Or did you expose yourself to them when they didn't ask you to? Or did you ask them for a handjob thirty minutes (or less) after meeting them? And then when they rebuffed you and seemed creeped out, did you threaten them, "Well--I know you your job is important to you, just like mine is to me, so let's keep this quiet"?

Actually, never mind...you definitely did.

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its a good one. Picking up women at a bar is normal. And bars are public so what you are doing is at least transparent up until the point you convince them to leave with you.

This is more akin to making appointments with many women to come to your house or office to perform some legitimate service or sales pitch and then, instead of actually being interested in their product, you attempt to coerce them into having sex with you once they are alone.

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If you did nothing wrong

Yea, me either

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Even after the arbiter said six-games and no fine?

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Aug 18, 2022, 11:04 PM
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Would you pay out settlements to multiple women and apologize for anyone you hurt if you did nothing wrong?

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If you were sexually assaulted would you settle for non-life changing $???

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If I knew I couldn't prove what happened in a court of law since it was my word against his, then yes, I might as well take a big payday.

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heck he was hangin' out with a p o r n star right after he signed with Houston. Choices. Again, he had 60 different women giving him handies at the least? Choices.

Kid had a tough life coming up, thank God for his Momma keepin' his head on straight and gettin' him to a better place as a child. Out in the real world without the shelter and guidance of Momma or the Clemson football family...it sounds like he just went ham with the ##### stuff. You got millions of dollars and all the sudden you can get almost any women to come over and service you. Kinda weird, it is definitely problem behavior. Choices.

Well, he ain't goin' to jail, he gets to keep his career and be a millionaire. NFL could've really done anything they wanted to at this point. They constantly have credibility issues and reputation issues that sway with the wind on what is and isn't acceptable, all to protect a umpteen billion dollar league? The hammer could fall on anyone, so a part of him might should feel a bit lucky.

In the greater context, his life was immeasurably changed by Warrick Dunn's generosity. Maybe this next step in his life will be measured by how many people/families he's helped and not by the number of women he's sechsed with.

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His personal decisions were not wise.

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I don’t agree with his decisions but I’m with you. If he hasn’t been convicted of a crime how can the NFL justify fining and suspending him?

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Woke and PC fear by the league. A picture of gloria allred probably sends goodell into a panic

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"You have to believe the woman", Senator Diane Feinstein, until the woman accused Joe Biden, and then she was the liar, trying to bring down Creepy Joe.

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I didn’t realize that an employer couldn’t punish an employee unless that employee was first convicted of a crime. I guess the next time Dabo sits a player over a violation of team rules that a bunch of people on here will be defending that player unless they were first convicted of a crime.

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not showing up for team meetings, skipping practice, etc. is much different than he said/she said stories that are not holding up in a court of law.

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The NFL conduct policy says it can punish its employees for irresponsible behavior that damages its reputation. In another section of the policy it even straight up says "It is not enough simply to avoid being found guilty of a crime." Here is some language from the NFL conduct policy:

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Conduct by anyone in the league that is illegal, violent, dangerous, or irresponsible puts innocent
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It is not enough simply to avoid being found guilty of a crime. We are all held to a higher standard
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Players convicted of a crime or subject to a disposition of a criminal proceeding (as defined in this
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Don’t need no crime to do NFL time.

Pretty much if you do #### that doesn’t reflect well on the league, you get punished . They get paid a #### load and I have no problems with them being held to a higher standard than than joe six pack.

And yes, there are very few explicit guidelines for detrimental conduct. That is intentional. If fans or players don’t like it there are plenty of other options. CFL XFL, that cute little league in Birmingham. Lots of options.

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been saying that, no 1 anywhere has said what he has done

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wrong.he said she said is not evidence

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Witness testimony absolutely is evidence. As is the conversations from his Instagram account setting up sessions. As is every statement he made under oath.

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the other 2

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His Instagram messages corroborated that he set up massages and ended up alone with the women. They also corroborated that he apologized for something that he did during one of the sessions with a therapist that refused to see him again. He also admitted during deposition (under oath) that he made one of the massage therapists cry during a session. These are not new facts.

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1) apologized for something he did
2) made a girl cry

No crimes there.

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or admission of any wrongdoing worthy of suspension or fine. I have made girls cry, and I have certainly had to apologize before.

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She said she said she said she said she said She said she said she said she said she said She said she said she said she said she said She said she said she said she said she said She said she said she said she said she said

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“Let’s go be legendary” is on my wall. I have no doubt that the sleazy lawyer offered dreams of big money for the women who sued. And I also presume that some were referenced to DW because of their sexually liberal view of their massages. But the testimony of multiple women under oath makes it clear the DW’s behavior was problematic. It is a shame DW is the new Antichrist for the me too movement. But his behavior during these sessions is what created the problem to begin with.

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Is this any worse

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Than the “acts” the former President was guilty of with various women including our own alumnae? I don’t think so but what do I know?

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“Let’s go be legendary” is on my wall. I have no doubt that the sleazy lawyer offered dreams of big money for the women who sued. And I also presume that some were referenced to DW because of their sexually liberal view of their massages. But the testimony of multiple women under oath makes it clear the DW’s behavior was problematic. It is a shame DW is the new Antichrist for the me too movement. But his behavior during these sessions is what created the problem to begin with.





Multiple women can lie under oath just like anyone else.

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Aug 18, 2022, 7:48 PM
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He is a man caught up in the #MeToo bull crap.

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Lol what in the world could someone have against this


Aug 18, 2022, 9:40 PM
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Definition

#MeToo is a social movement against sexual abuse, sexual harassment, and rape culture, in which people publicize their experiences of sexual abuse or sexual harassment.

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Re: Lol what in the world could someone have against this


Aug 18, 2022, 9:42 PM
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Yep. That's the mentality that encouraged this crap.

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But, I just can't fathom how being against rape culture


Aug 18, 2022, 9:46 PM
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Is a bull rap thing...

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Methinks thou doth protest too much.***


Aug 18, 2022, 10:23 PM
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Aug 18, 2022, 8:09 PM
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Sports Illustrated posted an article that goes a bit deeper. Names included and information from other NFL players and use of massage therapists. Not piling on, but may prove de a better understanding.
A terrific young man who has lost his way. Should not have happened.

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Aug 18, 2022, 8:11 PM
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Sports Illustrated posted an article that goes a bit deeper. Names included and information from other NFL players and use of massage therapists. Not piling on, but may prove de a better understanding.
A terrific young man who has lost his way. Should not have happened.

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Aug 18, 2022, 8:22 PM
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Listen I don’t think he rapped anyone. I absolutely do believe everything with each women was consensual BUT let’s not act like he was completely innocent here. He at the very least used poor judgement by going through over 60 massage therapists for “routine massages”, that’s BS. I think there was at least enough evidence that he was going from girl to girl to have sex. Consensual or not.

I personally believe it was paid for. Which is illegal but the girls of course couldn’t use that unless they give themselves up. But they sure could use it to blackmail and get him to settle which he did.

What irritates me is how the NFL handled it. You knew what punishment you wanted. Why use the third party to try him when you knew if she didn’t give him what you wanted you would appeal. Just stupid.

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Why do you think it was consensual?***


Aug 18, 2022, 9:53 PM
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Aug 18, 2022, 11:09 PM
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I simply believe it was consensual.

What leads you to believe it was not consensual? The fact that he apologized to some girl for something, we don’t know what. Or the fact that another girl was crying, we don’t know why. ????????

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Aug 18, 2022, 8:37 PM
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No civil or criminal offenses here.

My guess is he is guilty of bad judgment, playing around with way too many girls at the same time, but no crimes.

I heard he called out the Texans owner on some personal and sensitive issues, the Texans owner then stated that he would ruin DW4’s life. The owner collaborated with his buddy, the sleaze ball plaintiff attorney, and the rest is history. DW4 was railroaded.

No impact on my thoughts of him as a person or as a football player.

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Aug 18, 2022, 11:19 PM
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Wow, quite a move by the Texans owner then, especially since the Texans were also sued over this. Also very naive to think something like that would be true and that not even 1 of the 20+ women would end up going public with how they were asked by the Texans owner to set up Watson by lying over sexual assault.

Also, may I ask what would stop Watson from going public about this alleged conversation with the owner and that it was the owner behind all this?

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Aug 18, 2022, 8:42 PM
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When you are rich and famous you are a target of the Me Too movement. He did nothing wrong but they will destroy you as they see fit. If wasn't rich nothing would of ever been said.
Gold diggers.
The sad thing is this hurts the women who are really sexualy assaulted.

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Aug 18, 2022, 10:13 PM
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sexually assaulted." So concerned that you'll dismiss the 24 women that filed legal suits against him as "gold diggers."

I guess in your mind, unless a woman files a suit against a man who's poorer than she is, it's not valid...which is a convenient position to take considering the wealth gap between the genders.

Keep virtue signaling with your weak concern for "women who are really sexually assaulted" though. That's a good look for you.

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Aug 18, 2022, 11:20 PM
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In your opinion then, why are many many more rich athletes accused of sexually assault by 20+ women?

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Aug 18, 2022, 11:21 PM
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Meant to say why aren’t many many more rich athletes accused…

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Aug 19, 2022, 12:16 PM
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List all of the "rich men" who have been accused of sexual assault by 20+ women. Look at your list. How many of them do you believe are innocent.

Also--why do you think being rich makes someone incapable of committing sexual assault?

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Or...you could just read this:


Aug 18, 2022, 9:53 PM
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https://www.beaconjournal.com/story/sports/pro/browns/2022/08/01/read-sue-l-robinsons-deshaun-watson-decision-suspension/10204338002/


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Aug 18, 2022, 9:59 PM
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It's a crime in the court of public perception if twenty-plus masseuses accuse you of demanding sex and whipping your morning glory all over their facilities and bodies. And when they have over a year to work with the same attorney to create/customize their personal stories, it's very effective and revenue generating. DW4 needs to speak with Charlie Sheen -- he pursued his happy endings in a very doltish, callow and expensive way.

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Hot take!***


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Re: Hot take!***

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Aug 18, 2022, 10:33 PM
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clemson32 you’re an annoying f’er and may your daughter be impregnated by a gamecock wide receiver.

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Aug 19, 2022, 12:14 AM
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Smiling,

He used his position and power to try to manipulatye a significant number of women into unwanted sexual contact. That is WRONG even if it does not rise to the level of criminal charges.

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Aug 19, 2022, 9:05 AM
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Nothing is real in the liberal world of the NFL anymore. Things are only as they appear. The reality of what DW4 did or didn't do is not a factor to the NFL and their Socialist leaders. Guilt or innocence is determined by the seriousness of the charges, not by findings of a jury. The whole woke world has gone nuts and DW4, while not totally innocent in this matter , will nevertheless be punished mightily by the NFL powers that be, while convicted rapists, child molesters, murders walk the streets with no fear of justice.

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Aug 19, 2022, 9:41 AM
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Can you further explain what you mean when you say convicted rapist, child molesters, and murderers walk with no fear of justice? Are you saying the NFL has convicted rapists, child molesters, and murderers that are active in the league and haven't ever been fined or suspended for these actions?

Also, how is the NFL a woke league? The league that basically blackballed Colin Kaepernick out of the league is a liberal and woke league in your opinion?

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This is the New World Order of PC and Optics - no one cares


Aug 19, 2022, 9:21 AM
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about content or substance or __________________

They only care how something LOOKS by other people Looking in or at something.

Public jury and judgement is all that matters .....


Meanwhile they just let a criminal OUT OF JAIL that abducted and buried alive a school bus load of children about 30 years ago.

That's fine ---- get out of jail free

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Re: This is the New World Order of PC and Optics - no one cares


Aug 19, 2022, 9:44 AM
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The NFL let a child murderer out of jail?

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no the state of California did


Aug 19, 2022, 10:42 AM
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you can read it however you want - The NFL is just like the rest of the world

Optics and PC rule over whats important

Why would they let someone like that out of jail.


Call someone a bad name and the mob wants to ruin your life

surely you don't get it .....

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Re: no the state of California did


Aug 19, 2022, 10:51 AM
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I'm honestly not familiar with the story you're referring to. I just don't see how that's connected to the NFL suspension of Watson. I'm also not fully understanding how suspending a player accused of sexual assault is PC while at the same time letting a child murderer out of jail is also PC. Like I said though, I'm not familiar with the case you're referring to so I may be missing something.

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