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I don't think two superconferences has a chance
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I don't think two superconferences has a chance

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Jul 5, 2022, 8:42 PM
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of becoming reality.

I agree with those who have predicted it for years - there will ultimately be four 16-team superconferences to replace the current P5.

The Big 10 and SEC are done expanding at 16 teams each. The ACC and Pac 10 are next.

With UCLA and USC gone, the Pac "16" must add 6 teams to get to 16: Boise State, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas St., Oklahoma State, and Texas Tech.

The ACC must add two teams. Since the Big "16" is full, Notre Dame will not be going there. Them, along with West Virginia, will join the ACC. Notre Dame alone will require new TV negotiations. This also keeps intact the nation's premier basketball conference, which is a huge revenue generator, as well.

Just IMO, but this is roughly the way I see it shaking out.

Each of the four 16-team superconferences will provide 4 teams each for a playoff. Teams will be in based on their conference, and no longer will the "eye test" be necessary. Either you finish top 4 in your conference or you don't.

I could see all conferences being part of a singular TV deal too, where all schools get equal sharing aside from playoff and championship bonuses. One ruling body to replace the NCAA. Other teams can still play in bowls if a lucrative market exists.

As for the other 66 teams in D1 football, we'll, I don't know. Bowls are open or maybe we have a two or four team play-in series. Obviously right now they can technically make the CFP, but as we know only one non-P5 school has done it in 8 years.

Anyway, I just don't see how only two large conferences can possibly work. Some say the would have their own playoff, but there are far too many contenders left out of that model.

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Jul 5, 2022, 8:51 PM
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I like the 4 conferences better than the 2. Hopefully some commonsense will take place.
With just 2 conferences nobody outside of these 2 conferences will care.

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Jul 5, 2022, 9:03 PM
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The way I see it the SEC and B1G are going to have at minimum 4 teams each in a post-season playoff or they are going to take their ball and go home. Not 1 each for 4 spots total. It's where the other conferences want to cap the field and fit in that will ultimately decide other fates. If it's 12, the ROY 3 will take one each and all will fight for #12. If it's 16, all 5 will be vying for the final 5 spots after the ROY gets their 1 auto each.

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Re: I don't think two superconferences has a chance

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Jul 5, 2022, 9:07 PM
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Name a contender that would not be in a 20 team SEC and BIG. There are really are none unless it’s ND. Everyone else will be at such a financial disadvantage that they will soon be irrelevant.

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Clemson, Notre Dame, Oregon, Oklahoma St

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Jul 5, 2022, 11:00 PM
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are four that could easily make the playoffs on any given year, and there are several others that could rise up as well.

You missed the part where I pointed out the four conferences would be in the same TV package deal, with playoff teams and champions getting a bigger cut. This humongous money difference some of yall are imagining is sheer speculation at this point. You can't exclude 25 teams spread throughout the country and expect TV to remain the same. The money difference right now between the ACC and SEC and Big 10 has been around $200 million over the last decade. How has that additional money helped ANY SEC or Big 10 school get to prominence or better than Clemson with $200 million less. Some of you folks seem to think money makes football programs good. Has the tons of money coming into every Big 10 and SEC school lifted ANY of them up to prominence? No. And what about the UofSCs and Vandys and Indianas and Purdues of the world. Why haven't the bottom feeders of the SEC and Big 10 moved up in the college football world with all that money? For that matter, who has risen up in either conference due to their team having $200,000,000 more than the other teams in other conferences? It's literally done nothing to elevate teams, so how would even more money change that?

As for Clemson, we have every single thing we need to be successful - from facilities to coaches. And we've done this over 10 years with $200,000,000 less than EVERY SEC and Big 10 school. So has all that money helped anyone? We've become the 2nd best program over the last 10 years while getting $200,000,000 less than every Big 10 and SEC team. That proves we have enough money, and more money doesn't make for a better football program.

Regardless of money, Clemson will not become "irrelevant", regardless of how it shakes out. If for some crazy reason the two 20-team conferences becomes a reality, then that means 8 more teams are needed. The key thing to note is we will not be left behind under any circumstances. Nobody in their right mind would think we wouldn't be one of these 8 teams in that scenario.

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Jul 5, 2022, 9:11 PM
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As long as Clemson bolts for either SEC or Big 10 I could care less what anyone else in ACC does.

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Jul 5, 2022, 9:20 PM
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Read the post the Big10 and SEC already have 16.

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Jul 5, 2022, 9:17 PM
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That makes sense so maybe everyone will turn off the lights and stop being afraid.

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I don't know how 4 conferences work when nearly all


Jul 5, 2022, 9:37 PM
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of the good football programs are in just two of them.

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Jul 5, 2022, 9:51 PM
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of the good football programs are in just two of them.




Exactly; I do not think it would work.

If it's about "perception" then every single year the SEC and Big 10 would have a team in the championship hunt.
But, I seem to remember after Ohio St got smashed in 18 by our Tigers they missed the playoffs a few years straight. In fact, was there a Big 10 representative one year(i'm pretty sure there was a year no big 10 team made it). As recently as 2018 didn't the ACC have two teams in the top CFP as well as a National Champion.
The sky is falling crowd Nostradamus doomsday folks predicting how the money will push Clemson and Notre Dame out aren't looking at fairly recent history. Can that continue? Perhaps not; but Clemson and ND have a chance to adapt its method of operating as well, right?

The money programs have been in the Big 10 and SEC far longer than NIL and Transfer portal and super conferences have been around in other words! Four conference system I can't see being viable, but perhaps this thing gets bumped up to 8 teams which would allow the top two from the two super-conferences to be in. Plus, allow outliers to still get in. But, those team's competition had better be stellar! Which is why 4 conferences doesn't work as there aren't enough teams with enough football tradition left to create two more football viable conferences.

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6 of the 10 playoff teams since the CFP came about


Jul 5, 2022, 11:15 PM
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have been outside the Big 10 and SEC.

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Your's is a whacked way to look at it


Jul 6, 2022, 12:14 AM
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A better way is to add up the total number of appearance by B1G/SEC schools (+Clemson) vs. the others.

8 years at 4 teams per year = 32 total CFP appearances. The B1G/SEC account for 20/32 total appearances in the CFP when you include OU in the SEC.

We all know Clemson will be joining one of the Big 2 conferences. When that happens, it becomes 26/32. The other 6 are Oregon, FSU, Washington, Notre Dame (twice) and Cincinnati.

Going one step further, EACH AND EVERY TIME a B1G/SEC/Clemson team faced a non-B1G/SEC/Clemson team, it was a blowout win.

Conclusion: The future B1G and SEC conferences (which will include Clemson) don't need the outsiders for a playoff. This is especially true when the revenue disparities in the football programs explode in 2 years when the new B1G and SEC TV contracts begin.

If you want to argue Notre Dame is needed because of their "illustrious long history", fine. To say Oregon, Washington, Cincinnati are needed is a complete joke. FSU is somewhere in the middle (I think the SEC will take them).

If you believe Clemson will thrive in the ACC, just stop. Fortunately, our program is valuable enough the big boys will come calling.

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Alabama, OSU, LSU, and UGA.


Jul 5, 2022, 11:14 PM
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Those are the only 4 programs other than us that have won a natty in the CFP era. So what will change? Clemson has more playoffs and nattys in the last 10 years than 3 of those programs. There are several other teams outside of the Big 10 and SEC that are just as capable to make the playoffs as USC and UCLA, Oklahoma, and Texas. Only one of those teams has made the playoffs for one, while Notre Dame, Oregon, Florida State, Washington, and Cincinnati are the other teams that have made a playoff. So of the 10 teams who have made the playoffs, 6 of them are outside of the Big 10 and SEC.

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I'm struggling to see why that's relevant***


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One team from the B1G has made the playoffs (OSU),


Jul 6, 2022, 1:09 PM
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and we've made it more often than them, we've made the national championship game 4x as many times as they have, and we've won twice as many national championships as them.

6 of 10 teams making the playoffs weren't from the B1G or SEC. Point is, you don't have to be in one of those conferences to make the playoffs.

Clemson has done better than every one of the programs in the B1G or SEC, except Alabama. As long as we have a seat at the table, it doesn't matter what conference we're in.

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Correction: Two B1G teams have made the playoffs (OSU),


Jul 6, 2022, 1:11 PM
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Same as the ACC.

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That would be the best-case scenario, assuming all four

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Jul 5, 2022, 9:49 PM
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leagues have the same access to the playoff. I hope you are right, but I don't see Notre Dame joinng the ACC in full. If they don't join the BIG with USC as a member, they will not join the ACC. And that is a key for the ACC. Again, I hope you are right.

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Jul 5, 2022, 10:50 PM
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Disagree. The money is going to be too big for there not to be two mega conferences. Two weeks ago very few would have predicted that Southern Cal and UCLA would’ve bolted for the B1G.

Outside of adding Notre Dame, there is nothing else the ACC can really do that it’s going to create more attractive TV matchups. The chances of adding Notre Dame are extremely, extremely low.

The projected revenues of the ACC over the next 12 years should frighten people compared to the projections of the SEC and B1G.

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You forgot the most important factor


Jul 5, 2022, 11:28 PM
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$$$$$ Forget about everything else. This is 100% a business decision and the ACC that you wish for doesn’t come close to the $$$ generated by the BIG or the SEC.
IMO, the Big 10 is the only way out for Clemson.

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I did address the money though.***


Jul 5, 2022, 11:53 PM
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How I see expansion moving foward


Jul 5, 2022, 11:32 PM
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I think sec and big add 8 more teams. Then each conference has 4 6 team pods. Each conference has 4 team automatic bids in playoff. Then 4 at large bids. Some of the teams that don’t prioritize football will be left out.

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Are you people doing drugs or just retarded?


Jul 6, 2022, 12:34 AM
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There already are two superconferences. 20 of the top 25 athletic budgets are already in those two conferences. It won’t be long before those two conferences have between 20 and probably 22 at most maybe 24 teams. When that happens they’ll break away from the NCAA and have their own playoff and all of the relevant and important programs will be in those two conferences and no one will give a #### what anybody else does. And they will strike the biggest deal in college athletic history with ESPN and potentially other TV networks. Anyone not in those two conferences is toast. It’s already happening. There already are two super conferences. They simply haven’t decided how many more teams they’re going to add. You people are living in denial!

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Jul 6, 2022, 1:15 PM
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The only way Notre Dame ever joins the ACC is if it is in 2037. Notre Dame will never turn over their media rights until 2036.

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Jul 6, 2022, 5:46 PM
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I probably know the least about this subject of anyone posting here. this stated, I can see the creation of two super conferences, but I cannot see them sustained... There is a fair amount going on to promote/propel the idea of two super conferences, but in a reasonably short period of time the hierarchy among members within will solidify and this will bring about dissention which will, in turn, bring about a splintering. The capable programs are not going to be satisfied taking backseat positions to the blueblood programs and will want a way to better demonstrate their competitive abilities. And don't forget, the NCAA is going to want involvement on a way that most benefits their power which argues in favor of more conferences in a division and not less.

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