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How long do you give college football until it crosses over
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How long do you give college football until it crosses over

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Dec 7, 2021, 5:05 PM
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that somewhat blurry line of...O.K. these are professional players--enough. 2025? 2030?

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6 months ago***

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Yep... it's done done it!***

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Exactly...at least 6 mo's ago***

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Dec 7, 2021, 5:08 PM
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by 2025 I suspect

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Dec 7, 2021, 6:40 PM
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It's not just college football they're killing.

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Dec 7, 2021, 5:22 PM
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Anything Americana is methodically being destroyed... American tradition, history, customs, all of it. And lately they've really been stepping up the pressure on anyone who believes in America.

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Re: It's not just college football they're killing.

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Dec 7, 2021, 7:48 PM
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oh brother. they took down a statue of robert e. lee. Your world hasn't come to an end. Look at the bright side. You can still buy your mentally challenged son a handgun and he can still commit a mass school shooting, so not everything in America is falling apart, clearly.

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Dec 7, 2021, 8:05 PM
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Total non sense comment

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Right about now.***

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Dec 7, 2021, 5:26 PM
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My interest is hanging on by a thread

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Dec 7, 2021, 5:41 PM
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We are already at the point where a big IPTAY donor has to ask himself, "Do I want to make a large IPTAY contribution? Or should a few of us pool our money and create a non-profit NIL sponsorship to pay players?"

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Dec 7, 2021, 11:39 PM
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So the bagman just comes out into the open?


Pay to play has been happening for as long as people can remember.

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Dec 7, 2021, 5:43 PM
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I used to think it wouldn’t happen but it is happening.
I was talking with the AD of CCU the other day and He thinks that it will happen . He said “ we need to brush up on our collective bargaining skills”

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Gimme a break

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Dec 7, 2021, 5:53 PM
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It crossed over years ago when coaches starting being paid over $5 million/year and recruiting went national which made coaches use private jets for coast-to-coast recruiting day-trips and university athletic budgets exploded beyond all reason.

There is a lot more than just the above.

Stop putting the blame on the players getting a very small taste of the gravy train. That is NOT the problem, just the latest symptom.

The line has been blurry for a long time and some people here either are just becoming aware of it or believe everyone else should benefit while the players stay locked in a box.

The hand-wringing about the players is a joke. Why are they the triggers that offend so many folks?

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Dec 7, 2021, 6:00 PM
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As with many things, the money is the problem. College football probably out-earns pro football, all revenues considered. With billions of dollars in revenue comes irresistible incentive for corruption.

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Dec 7, 2021, 6:11 PM
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You seem to have a problem understanding the words professional and amateur. What coaches do or don’t make is irrelevant. That all comes from athletic donors…same ones that build the facilities. When you start paying players, you’ve crossed a line.

These players were already getting about a $30-40k/yr benefit plus a lot of fringes at Clemson, a school that most otherwise wouldn’t sniff admission.

That used to be the deal. Get a free ride to a good school and get your diploma while also getting developed and a POTENTIAL shot to be a pro. It’s all a mess now.

I will say it again. I’d be fine with colleges going back to real student athletes and let the handful that think they can go pro go play in some sort of minor league.

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Dec 7, 2021, 6:24 PM
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I understand the definition of amateur. The problem is the players are why coaches, universities, networks, announcers, talking heads, etc are rolling in crazy amounts of dough.

Keeping only the players who generate the revenue for everyone else as "amateurs" in today's environment is immoral. It's really that simple.

What the coaches (and everyone else except the players) make most certainly is NOT irrelevant. Sorry, that ship won't sail.

You can't have a multibillion industry that is growing like wildfire and decide to keep one class of "employees" in a box while everyone else parties like sailors. This is America.

If necessary, the Supreme Court will have the final say and their comments so far make it plain where they stand.

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Dec 7, 2021, 6:37 PM
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You’re wrong again. The coaches are “rolling in the dough” because they are the highly paid professionals chosen to do the job, same as any CEO or executive. The players are supposed to be student athletes but everyone knows that’s a joke. These guys are getting a free ride, again worth about ($150k-200k) at Clemson because they can play a GAME. Most of the actual legit academic students don’t get anything like that.

I don’t have any problem with athletes being able to get paid on the side, just like many college students do. That’s what SCOTUS has mainly argued to date. When it’s obvious it’s a scam though like these “charities” then it’s gone too far.

It will be interesting how the IRS views all of this too. There are rules regarding charities and rules as far as reasonable compensation for work performed as well. So if a guy at Texas is getting a $50k payday for making an appearance at a children’s hospital, that likely isn’t going to cut it. I’ll also point out that Clemson players (and other programs) have been doing charitable work for years…for free…because that’s how charity is supposed to work.

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Dec 7, 2021, 7:08 PM
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You admit the term "student athlete" is a joke. That's good.

Non-athletes don't get what some athletes get because they don't help generate revenue.

If you don't have a problem with athletes getting paid on the side, what is your issue then? If an off-campus entity wants to pay them for a very small amount of "services rendered", so be it.

What is going to happen is groups will carefully craft deals to pay athletes in ways that violate the NCAA's terms and will dare the NCAA to stop them. Then the Constitution and the Supremes will decide. This is America.

We may find out the NCAA's ability to control outside payments to athletes is a mirage. NIL might be just the pimple on the nose of the Trojan Horse.

Within 3-5 years and we'll know and I predict the Supreme Court decision(s) will be unanimous.

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Dec 7, 2021, 7:18 PM
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Wrong again. A lot of students are involved in research (my own kid was one) and that brings in tons of money to the school. Did it all for free too just to put it on the resume for grad school. The academic students are also a lot of the ones who make large donations back to the university later on.

I think you’re right that the limits are going to be tested. They already are. Let’s face it, the group in TX didn’t make a pizza restaurant for the players to work at. They’re making a scam shell of an organization to achieve what they’re trying to do. I believe it will be seen for what it is.

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Dec 7, 2021, 7:09 PM
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What coaches make is not irrelevant. I love Dabo, but the idea of him making 10M while Trevor Lawrence makes nothing for three years except a phony piece of paper and a place to live is a crock. The cost to Lawrence for amateur status is millions in real dollars and tens of millions in lifetime potential earnings. If this was really about the piece of paper then Ivy, New Ivy, Southern Ivy and Black Ivy would have the best teams in the country. But they don’t, in fact most of those teams are terrible or non-existent. If it was all about the diploma then schools like Alabama, Clemson and SoCal wouldn’t have to pay their coaches 10M a year to convince kids to come to their school.

It is all about a piece of paper, but not a degree. A TV contract!! Track the coaches salaries back to when they exploded and it was guys like Switzer, Spurrier and Bowden that started this thing going out of control. Right when football started becoming a national television pastime. Hire the best recruiters to bring in the best kids to make the best tv product and you don’t even have to pay the talent!

The degree was fine compensation for the effort until the TV contracts came into play, for the last 40 years though, universities across America have been exploiting the players for their own profit. Half of these universities don’t even realize they are doing it, they’ve just been swept into the arms race.

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Dec 7, 2021, 7:27 PM
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Lol phony piece of paper and a place to live.

How else would TL have been here if he couldn’t throw a football? Is it my fault that the NFL won’t give those guys a shot yet? No. Also, only a few guys off our entire team were even considered NFL-worthy (despite the delusions of a lot of the players and their families). So we’re saying an entire system should be changed to cater to a small minority. What about the other sports? What about Noonan’s team that’s playing for a championship this weekend? The problem is a HANDFUL of football and basketball players (not at Clemson obviously).

The college sport shouldn’t be ruined because of pro sports leagues’ unwillingness to develop farm systems like baseball does.

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IMO, it isn't about players like TL


Dec 7, 2021, 7:41 PM
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I actually don't sympathize with guys who will make millions in the NFL. The ones who lose the most are guys who perform great in college but either aren't good enough to play in the NFL or they get injured.

Just my 2 cents. From a legal standpoint it doesn't matter.

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Dec 7, 2021, 7:56 PM
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So you don’t think those guys benefit from being in possibly the most structured and supportive environment some have seen and developed into men? Really should take a look at Paw Journey and all of the opportunities these guys get. I know a lot of people think Dabo is just being corny or a salesman when he talks about stuff like that but he walks the walk. He knows that most won’t go to the NFL just like he didn’t.

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Dec 7, 2021, 8:30 PM
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No one wants to take those things away, it’s just not commensurate to what the university earns from their participation in the football program.

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Dec 7, 2021, 8:08 PM
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If the NFL started a farm system--the college world would become a DIV 3 program. Maybe the time has come

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Dec 7, 2021, 8:43 PM
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That’s way overblown. We’ve had plenty of success with everything from walk-ons to 3-stars in the past. Really you’re only talking about a handful of players who have realistic potential and that would opt for that. I’d be just fine with them gone. Honestly our performance has gone the opposite direction of our recruiting classes the past few years. Obviously some are as advertised but many are busts and just end up being a negative. Not going to name names.

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Dec 7, 2021, 8:25 PM
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What I’m saying is it’s already corrupted with money. It was corrupted as a purely amateur sport 40 years ago when the conference outgrew the NCAA and started making the massive TV deals. And if we are all going to be okay with giving Dabo duffel bags of money, we better get used to giving players McDonalds bags of money, too.

You know why soccer won’t make the same kind of money. They could, if the product was appealing enough to TV markets but it’s not. Noonan makes $300k, he won’t make in his entire coaching career at Clemson what Dabo will make in his best year.

I’d be fine with a farm league but ultimately that would make both the college football and minor league football worse products, but if that created a system where colleges could be amateur, then fine. But don’t ever expect another player like Lawrence or Big Dex to don orange again. On the other hand, NCAA already has the fans and the viewership, and vaults full of money to pay the dang kids in the process. You’re hand wringing is an empty gesture.

It ain’t ruined for a lot of people, sorry it’s ruined for you.

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Dec 7, 2021, 8:46 PM
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It’s ruined for the people who aren’t too dumb to know it’s ruined. We knew it (along with Dabo) over a year ago. Some of the rest are starting to wake up now.

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Dec 7, 2021, 8:02 PM
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Amen
If College athletics becomes pro, the only teams that will compete for championships are the huge schools with tons of money. 50K per year to be a lineman at Texas? Horns with heart? Give me a break. This will hurt the kids. Takes the focus off of education. A small number go pro and even then, one injury or you slip a little and then what. The education should hold value. I have to pay for the honor of my son going to school at Clemson. It is an investment in his future. Valuable! College football is big business. I am sure they will figure something out and it will go on, but I am afraid what I use to love about College Football that I couldn't get from Pro is slipping away.
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Dec 7, 2021, 6:19 PM
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Yeah, Mo I agree with your general sentiment here.

My answer is simply the OP’s question is it already has. A few years from now we might look back on this past year (portal usage, first big year of NIL) as when the major symptoms really started to show up but the disease of too much money in college football has been here for years. Head coaches being highest paid employee of their state, facilities arms race; the facade of college football as an amateur (non-pro) sport has been crumbling for years.

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"Arms Race"

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Dec 7, 2021, 6:55 PM
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is a very appropriate term. It has destroyed CFB as we know it.

Like Dabo said, it'll take a few years to settle down (into whatever). Some of us may leave the sport behind before that happens.

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Dec 7, 2021, 7:10 PM
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BTW I agree with both of you about the coach pay. Seems like Harbaugh kinda started the race to the top (or bottom) and he didn’t even deserve it. I’ve never liked that or the “facilities” stuff that has gone on for years now. Not sure what you do about misplaced priorities of the American public though.

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Dec 7, 2021, 7:21 PM
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That ball was rolling before Harbaugh and was destined to continue rolling. We aren't at the top. Eventually $15M/year will happen. Just a matter of time. The revenue pie will grow again when the next round of TV deals is completed. Many people believe MLB and NBA TV money may level off or decline next time. NOBODY is saying that about CFB.

"Misplaced priorities"? You are being too kind. This country (and world) will eventually crash over these but it might be a while.

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Dec 8, 2021, 12:26 AM
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I agree w elements of your post and will go back further. You know that, in the scheme of things, Clemson is not a large school. As proud as I am of the things that relatively small school has accomplished, isn't it really pretty gross that we have a stadium that large? Though USuC is a larger school, they have even less justification. And how long has it been since student-athletes were at most any D1 program for academic enrichment and training? I have enjoyed our many successes and will enjoy those that come but it has been way out of hand for a long time.

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Dec 8, 2021, 8:22 PM
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Never mind all this. I predict the complete demise of college football at the Division 1 level in the next 30 years or so. Time to get excited about soccer and baseball.

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Dec 8, 2021, 8:22 PM
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Never mind all this. I predict the complete demise of college football at the Division 1 level in the next 30 years or so. Time to get excited about soccer and baseball.

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Dec 8, 2021, 8:27 PM
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Never mind all this. I predict the complete demise of college football at the Division 1 level in the next 30 years or so. Time to get excited about soccer and baseball.

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We no longer acknowledge chromosomes . . .


Dec 7, 2021, 5:56 PM
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so ###(n) near any other corruption is inevitable, too.

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Dec 7, 2021, 6:04 PM
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We are already there. The worst is coming.

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Dec 7, 2021, 6:58 PM
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Yesterday with the announcement about the Texas “charity” that will pay Offensive Lineman $50K each.

The Shark has been jumped.

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Y'all just jealous


Dec 7, 2021, 7:42 PM
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because we do stuff big here in Texas.

j/k

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Dec 7, 2021, 7:48 PM
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It's already passed the point of no return. Love Clemson and always will, but these are professional athletes all the way.

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Dec 8, 2021, 1:47 AM
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Herschel Walker.

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