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First Clemson Rhodes Scholar

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Dec 3, 2021, 9:24 AM
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Congratulations are in order to Louise Franke from Spartanburg, named as Clemson's first ever Rhodes Scholar!

I'm surprised we've never had a Rhodes Scholar, so good for her. She's one of just 32 students from the US selected for this honor this year.


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how does 1 become a Rhodes Scholar***

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Dec 3, 2021, 9:36 AM
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1st you have to get a degree in civil engineering,and then travel a lot on the rhodes youv'e had a hand in building.

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Dec 5, 2021, 1:16 AM
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Rhodes Scholars have boot smarts, but Road Scholars have street smarts.

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Dec 5, 2021, 1:18 AM
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Book…crap.

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Dec 3, 2021, 12:10 PM
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All it is is a postgraduate financial award for students to study at the University of Oxford. For example, I go a postgraduate award to study at Clemson and that is why I am a Tiger. I got them at VCU and UT as well. My wife (also a tiger) had the same at Carnegie Mellon, Penn, UGA, UNC, and Clemson. Later she got one to Georgetown. The "trick" is that is is at Oxford - that is all it is.

Our undergrad disciplines and their graduate disciplines don't really align well. Different missions and fields. So unless you really want to go to Oxford for whatever reason, it isn't "magical" otherwise. Going to another more specific university or program might suit a Clemson undergrad's life plan a bit better. There is more of a push for law for them and since law is local, it is often more of a novelty. Better off just going to a better law program stateside.

Realistically, it is more akin to a award/internship with an education. European and American "graduate" degrees are very different. So depending on what you are studying, you could actually take a "masters" degree in europe that is akin to a bachelors degree. While things are changing, their higher degrees are much more research/product focused in the US as compared to more of the apprenticeship "years of service" in europe but all programs/universities might be different.

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Dec 3, 2021, 5:36 PM
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FutureDoc said:

All it is is a postgraduate financial award for students to study at the University of Oxford. For example, I go a postgraduate award to study at Clemson and that is why I am a Tiger. I got them at VCU and UT as well. My wife (also a tiger) had the same at Carnegie Mellon, Penn, UGA, UNC, and Clemson. Later she got one to Georgetown. The "trick" is that is is at Oxford - that is all it is.

Our undergrad disciplines and their graduate disciplines don't really align well. Different missions and fields. So unless you really want to go to Oxford for whatever reason, it isn't "magical" otherwise. Going to another more specific university or program might suit a Clemson undergrad's life plan a bit better. There is more of a push for law for them and since law is local, it is often more of a novelty. Better off just going to a better law program stateside.

Realistically, it is more akin to a award/internship with an education. European and American "graduate" degrees are very different. So depending on what you are studying, you could actually take a "masters" degree in europe that is akin to a bachelors degree. While things are changing, their higher degrees are much more research/product focused in the US as compared to more of the apprenticeship "years of service" in europe but all programs/universities might be different.


Most of what you are saying may well be true. However, the difficulty of winning a Rhodes Scholarship is far more difficult than obtaining the same postgrad award at the institutions you mention.

The prestige of winning a Rhodes Scholarship, the relationships made and the doors opened is what is so valuable.

One of my kids got into all the 5 top law schools in the country and graduated from the top law school. That is a very difficult proposition. The same kid couldn't have sniffed being a Rhodes winner.

It is a big deal. Ms. Franke has plans to attend medical school. I suspect she'll have her choices of schools after Oxford. The time there will probably be more learning for learning's sake and have little to do with becoming a medical doctor. I suspect she will find her time there special if not "magical."

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Dec 3, 2021, 6:20 PM
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Oh, no, I am not discrediting or dismissing the achievement. I am just pointing out that it is a post-graduate funding award but the only read difference is that it is for a specific institution. Other schools will have similar awards and that Rhodes has a specific name recognition as it was one of the first of the type. Just that most folks might not understand it from an academic perspective nor understand why Clemson and Rhodes might not mesh. However, because Oxford completely lacks my discipline I would never really be a Rhodes Scholar and it really isn't a factor then. Mrs. FutureDoc would have been a very strong candidate - right field with a significant academic publication as an undergrad (and a non-immediate uncle might have had a movie about them). But it would have been a distraction her career path.

For example, a Combine Harvester and a Ferrari might both cost $300,000 but bring the wrong one to the wrong function and it does not really work.

As for law, again, it become school specific. As you said, some other application processes can be more competitive. Ironically, in Virginia, at one time one of the most competitive post-graduate programs was for DVM aka veterinary medicine at UGA before VT had a program because Virginia had an agreement with Georgia for a few seats at full ride. That was it. There are some real quirks there and it becomes field dependent quickly.

But getting back to the goals, unless there is a research capacity and then there are more options to consider. Then it become more about "people" more than school. Graduate school is anything but magical. Thus picking the people at Oxford is more important than Oxford itself and same with the scholarship.

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Dec 3, 2021, 6:23 PM
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Oh and just for lols, the funding I got from Clemson was, at the time only awarded to 10 people (including international folks), thus the Rhodes program is far more numerous at 32 from the US alone ... but I did take a course in Rhodes Hall.

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Dec 5, 2021, 8:31 AM
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I have a PhD from Clemson in Bioengineering. Seeing someone compare ANY grad award from Clemson and compare it to Rhodes scholar made me spit out my drink

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Dec 5, 2021, 8:31 AM
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I have a PhD from Clemson in Bioengineering. Seeing someone compare ANY grad award from Clemson and compare it to Rhodes scholar made me spit out my drink

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Dec 3, 2021, 10:03 AM
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Not Steve Fuller? I thought maybe he was but didn't pursue it.

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He was a Rhodes Scholar candidate


Dec 5, 2021, 2:55 AM
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didn't win

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Dec 3, 2021, 10:07 AM
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Congratulations indeed!

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Dec 3, 2021, 10:10 AM
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Congratulations!!! What an honor! Go Tigers!!!

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Dec 3, 2021, 10:09 AM
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I swear Steve Fuller was a Rhodes Scholar

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Dec 3, 2021, 10:24 AM
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Google sez he was a Rhodes scholar candidate

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Link below:

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Dec 3, 2021, 10:14 AM
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https://news.clemson.edu/upstate-biochemistry-senior-named-clemsons-first-rhodes-scholar/


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Huge Accomplishment

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Dec 3, 2021, 1:15 PM
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Clemson has badly wanted to have a Rhodes Scholar for many years. The Dixon Fellows and then Coca-Cola Scholars program were both attempts at building credentials for a Rhodes Scholar (plus Truman, other major awards). Jonathan Bayless (my roommate for 3 years) could have probably won it in 2003, but he didn't apply. There have been at least 2 who came very very close since then. Still - even with Dixon Fellows existing since the 90's, we haven't managed to have a single Rhodes Scholar. So to finally have one is a huge accomplishment. Congrats to Ms. Franke and congrats to those in the Honors College, Dixon Fellows, etc. that have worked so hard to get someone there.

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Dec 3, 2021, 6:28 PM
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I don't know if it's that surprising we've never had one. It's that competitive. But so awesome for her. I spent a summer in Oxford through a study away program at UGA. It is a magical place.

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Dec 4, 2021, 7:45 AM
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C'mon is it really that hard to get into Ole Miss? Chad Kelly was allowed to attend and we all know what a genius he is.

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Dec 5, 2021, 12:30 AM
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Ole Miss has had a bunch (27) of Rhodes scholars. UofSC has had 10 or so.

We set records for Fullbrights in the 80s, but this is long overdue.

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Dec 4, 2021, 8:56 PM
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Definitely worthy of recognition!

Congratulations to Louise Franke, indeed!!!

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For some perspective, I was in the Honors Program in the 90s


Dec 5, 2021, 8:48 AM
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and they launched a formal program to identify interested/eligible candidates back then to support toward receiving this scholarship (and a couple others I can’t recall). And over 20 years later, here we are.

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