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Eliott has been calling plays since 2015
Oct 24, 2021, 1:17 PM
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So what’s different? Yes, the creativity has gone way down but maybe that’s because he knows our team can’t handle wrinkles. A smart mobile QB makes a big difference in the plays you can successfully run. I’m afraid nothing can really change the rest of this year.
At this point I’m just hoping we can beat an awful coot team and have a good QB and back up next year.
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Re: Eliott has been calling plays since 2015
Oct 24, 2021, 1:23 PM
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The Texas QB commit may likely start next year. Very accurate passer and mobile. The fact that he is a Freshman should not enter into it.
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Re: Eliott has been calling plays since 2015
Oct 24, 2021, 1:33 PM
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The fact that he is a freshman should enter into it. Let's get the most out of him before our coaches mess him up. His freshman year will likely be his best. Go Tigers.
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Re: Eliott has been calling plays since 2015
Oct 24, 2021, 2:20 PM
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That's how Trent Dilfer sees it. Correctly.
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We don't have an NFL first round draft pick to bail him out***
Oct 24, 2021, 1:23 PM
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Re: We don't have an NFL first round draft pick to bail him out***
Oct 24, 2021, 1:26 PM
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I hear you but there has to be more to it. We used to run wheel routes, pop passes, throw over the middle. Elliott called those plays. I think part of the problem is that he HAS to limit the playbook right now. You saw what happened with a shovel pass. We can’t execute even the basics.
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Re: We don't have an NFL first round draft pick to bail him out***
Oct 24, 2021, 2:21 PM
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DW4 and TL16 had ability to audible on plurality of plays. And did.
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The QB we have now
Oct 24, 2021, 3:14 PM
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holds the record for the biggest comeback in Clemson history and the most opponent passing yards in the storied history of Notre Dame. In 2 games and mop up duty, he completed 67% of his passes for 3TDs and 0 INTs with a rating of 146.5. In 2021, it took him 6 games to surpass his yardage from 2020, he diwn
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(finishing post above)
Oct 24, 2021, 3:22 PM
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...he's down to 55% with 4 TDs and 5 INTs, and his rating has dropped down around 100.
The same QB executed the same offense flawlessly last year. If he was performing on that level this year, we'd be undefeated... with the same playcaller.
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Things change. People change. Defenses change. The job of
Oct 24, 2021, 6:46 PM
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a good OC is to have a fundamentally sound scheme and to make adjustments (constantly) to keep up with change. We don't have the same people this year that we did last year and defenses weren't preparing for this QB last year so that excuse is invalid.
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What the heck are you talking about? Do you even have a point?
Oct 25, 2021, 5:45 PM
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During Elliott's tenure as primary playcaller, we have more wins, more playoff wins, more national title game appearances, and more national championships than every team in the country except Alabama. You don't do that without a great scheme that adjusts to what defenses are trying to do. DJ operated our offense just as well as Trevor last year, and you can't tell me the game evolved so much in the off-season that Elliott forgot how to coach.
The very clear and obvious reason we're struggling started with DJ and the OL, and now receivers are literally dropping at least 5 passes per game. DJ is not playing the same carefree game he did last year and is struggling with fundamentals and confidence. His mechanics are nowhere near as precise as they were last year. While there has been some slight improvement, the OL is not giving him much time to do anything. He's rushed nearly every time he drops back. All you have to do is compare how much time opposing QBs are getting vs DJ. When he does have time, his accuracy has gotten better but now we have struggles catching and fighting for balls. Its an epidemic.
Our struggles are clearly in execution. The offense has been watered down trying to help, and the guys still can't put an entire game together. It has nothing to do with Elliott forgetting how to coach or adjust. We've made adjustments and added wrinkles every game, but at the end of the day the offensive is only executing about half the time. That's not going to get it done, regardless of the OC or playcalls.
You're making it up as you go. Please stop throwing crap at the wall, hoping it sticks. Take care.
Go Tigers.
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That’s great, but how is that working out for us THIS year?
Oct 25, 2021, 7:13 PM
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You keep parroting past success, which clearly means little since this staff has allowed our program to drop with a thud from #2 to out of the top 25 in less than half a season. This includes our worst offense in nearly 30 years despite 5 star talent at multiple skill positions on offense.
It clearly makes you feel better to talk about all of our accomplishments in prior years, but our staff has yet to show that it has any idea how to fix this current issue.
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Re: Eliott has been calling plays since 2015
Oct 24, 2021, 1:28 PM
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Agreed, I don’t expect much will change. Biggest improvement that may be achievable is fewer dropped passing. More on target is not likely.
All the games are winnable, but will likely be ugly. Can’t lose to the dirt peckers
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Is Elliott calling the plays...or is there other input?*******
Oct 24, 2021, 1:38 PM
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Re: Is Elliott calling the plays...or is there other input?*******
Oct 24, 2021, 2:02 PM
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Supposedly Dabo meddles.
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Dabo has always been involved
Oct 24, 2021, 2:11 PM
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I doubt Dabo has forgotten those plays either. Need the talent to execute them. Called a perfect wheel route yesterday and Shipley drops it. That, and really unprecedented injuries, and underperformance in key areas, have left us without playmakers at QB and WR and an OL that has been patchwork all year.
That's a recipe for exactly what we're seeing. I agree with the OP, not getting fixed until the offseason
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If we don’t have the talent, why not?
Oct 25, 2021, 8:47 PM
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We have the best facilities in college football, the highest paid coaching staff in college football, and loads of recent success. If we weren’t able to recruit the players we wanted with all of these advantages, that’s a huge problem.
We supposedly have excellent recruiting classes every year recently, so if those players aren’t talented enough is it because all of the recruiting analysts were wrong, including ours? Or was the analysis correct, and have we not developed/utilized that talent well enough?
We aren’t just struggling against elite teams this year like we did in years prior. We are struggling against teams that don’t have nearly the talent we do.
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The problem is that Elliott has been calling the exact same
Oct 24, 2021, 2:16 PM
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plays since 2015. No changes and no new concepts/wrinkles because we just line up and run "Clemson's Offense" regardless of our current player's ability to successfully execute it. Because of this, opposing defensive coordinators now know our offense, call tendencies, and schemes as well as our own players.
Dabo always likes to say that "last weeks touchdowns don't win this weeks game". That mantra is very true so I don't understand why Dabo doesn't seem to believe that last year's offense doesn't win this year's games as well.
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Re: The problem is that Elliott has been calling the exact same
Oct 24, 2021, 2:29 PM
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^^ this ^^
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Do you know when the best passing season in Clemson history was?
Oct 24, 2021, 3:18 PM
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It was last year, 2020.
Its not like the successful scheme suddenly dropped off the cliff in 2021. It's that the proven, successful scheme is not able to be fully deployed because their are several positions on the offense who aren't performing up to potential.
Just consider if Trevor or the DJ from last year was running the offense this year. We could open up the whole scheme, and we'd likely be undefeated.
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I'm not sure why this is such a bragging point, given
Oct 25, 2021, 5:50 PM
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that a running game would have helped us greatly last season.
We love to talk about DJ throwing for 400+ yards vs Notre Dame last year. We lost the game because we ran for a measly 34 total yards in that game....with the best RB in Clemson history in the game.
Vs Ohio State, in a game where their offense was red hot and some extended drives would have helped us chew clock and keep their offense off the field....we managed 44 yards rushing.
Tony's system has had problems for a few years now, and it's irrelevant what our passing yard total was last season.
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Re: Eliott has been calling plays since 2015
Oct 24, 2021, 2:26 PM
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I worked for and retired from a Fortune 100 Company. Every 3 to 5 years, the company shake up was coming because over time the business environment had changed, there was enough review data to determine who were the performers and who weren't, and new processes need to be implemented to grow. "Change is good" and if Dabo, is the CEO people think he is, he will know what needs to be done. It doesn't happen in one day.
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Re: Eliott has been calling plays since 2015
Oct 24, 2021, 3:02 PM
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Does DJ make any audibles? I remember Deshaun and Trevor calling/changing plays based on the defensive alignment A LOT, but haven't noticed DJ doing that. That could be the difference.
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Re: Eliott has been calling plays since 2015
Oct 24, 2021, 3:24 PM
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Does DJ make any audibles? I remember Deshaun and Trevor calling/changing plays based on the defensive alignment A LOT, but haven't noticed DJ doing that. That could be the difference.
DJ did his best impression of TLAW during the GA game and unfortunately it didn't work out as well.
IMO he's not there yet to be able to do so decisively. A lot of what others have said appear on point which is:
-DJ appears to make most of his decisions pre-snap.
-Improving isn't really his specialty (see RPOs); he's more of a pocket passer that would probably do well in a West Coast system in the sense of anticipation.
-DJ seems more comfortable rolling out vs sitting in the pocket (probably more so due to our OLINE situation)
This off-season is going to be wild with our QB situation.
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I don't recall Trevor making many audibles on his own.
Oct 24, 2021, 3:25 PM
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I do however recall him looking to the sidelines, giving the two hands down signal to the offense to wait, then getting audibles from the sideline.
Let's not get all crazy and act like Trevor was Tom Brady, basically calling his own offense.
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No but Deshaun absolutely did change plays quite
Oct 25, 2021, 5:51 PM
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frequently. Let's not pretend he didn't just because you work for the AD and are tasked with a rigorous defense of our offensive coordinator and staff.
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There's an old saying that "You can't make a silk purse out
Oct 25, 2021, 7:06 PM
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of a sow's ear." We certainly seem to be living that saying this year. A perfect storm of injuries, players losing confidence in themselves, coaches losing confidence in players, outside issues, and, despite what some may say, other teams in the conference getting better.
From this point forward, 2021 should be a half season of experimentation at EVERY position. We need to separate good GAMEDAY players from merely good PRACTICE players. If the coaches are not seeing what we are seeing, then we apparently have an abundance of the latter, and very few of the former.
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Re: Eliott has been calling plays since 2015
Oct 25, 2021, 7:27 PM
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When he had elite skill talent it would mask some of his flaws, especially vs weak talent?
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Re: Eliott has been calling plays since 2015
Oct 25, 2021, 7:32 PM
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Dabo is head coach.
T.E. is O.C.
Pick one or both, but one or the other is responsible.
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