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Re: Boys, THIS LSU fan is NOT HAPPY that Tom Allen is coming to
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Jan 18, 2025, 3:06 PM
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Thanks Spud! Great post.
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Re: Boys, THIS LSU fan is NOT HAPPY that Tom Allen is coming to
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Jan 18, 2025, 3:20 PM
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That are two idiots that don't see the family ties with Allen being close to his kids at Clemson, and I'm sure once his wife heard about the Clemson offer, she was 100% behind her husband taking the job. Momma would have said take the job even if it were for less money!!!
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This isn't a latteral move for Tom Allen.
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Jan 18, 2025, 3:29 PM
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In order to believe that you'd have to ignore that Dabo is our headcoach. You don't have to work with Dabo or work for him to know what kind of a guy he is. I suspect character similarities is one of the things which made Clemson attractive to Tom.
The culture is attractive to people all across the land. The potential to rise to the top is as great at Clemson as it is anywhere.
However, with Tom expressing how he wanted to 'take guys out of school...' train them, developing their skills and highlight their strong points (shoring up their deficiencies) it make me know that he doesn't like recruiting out of the portal.
I suspect Allen's name on our resume' will be attractive to high school recruits who aren't going to go looking for the next best thing but want to find a home rather than a one year gig.
I believe Dabo is the main reason. He has produced four coordinators who took HCing jobs when they left, Chad, Brent, Tony and Jeff. Two of them are still head coaches. Brent was the only one who surprised me when he left. Obviously people love working for Dabo. Dabo actually cut his own pay and proceeded to direct that money to his coordinators, maybe some to assistants, I don't remember.
Dare they say PSU and scandal in the same breath! The wound has to have left a scar.
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I cannot imagine being able to live on one of the most beautiful lakes in the
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Jan 18, 2025, 3:36 PM
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world, and only having a 15 to 20 minute drive..crossing over another beautiful lake..to my office...where I get to coach some of the best defensive players in the country....To me, that would be even better than being a Real Estate agent where all you do is talk to people all day....LOL!
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Re: I cannot imagine being able to live on one of the most beautiful lakes in the
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Jan 18, 2025, 4:22 PM
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I don't believe that for one minute Spud. You're a natural and I'm happy for you to have found your calling. Very similar gratification in what you do, changing people's lives every day.
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Thank you. And in all honesty, I tell my clients all the time that meeting them
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Jan 18, 2025, 4:37 PM
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and helping them has never felt like work. Now, all the paperwork that is involved nowadays, I don't care for....but, when you help someone find the right place..it is rewarding.
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Well, Spud, it's like this.
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Jan 19, 2025, 8:26 AM
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Most of America never see the real southern charm which God has blessed us with. Some ended up in SC because they were born here. I refused two of the best opportunities when I graduated. I was recruited by two massive construction companies who spread work from here to several foreign soils. I refused to move.
I live in SC but was born in TN. I haven't called TN home since the mid 1980s. You're right about the land and the people here. SC is a great place to live unless you love concrete.
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Re: This isn't a latteral move for Tom Allen.
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It is absolutely a lateral move. A coaches personal reasons why they may want to coach here or there is irrelevant.
To me this is what qualifies as a lateral move.
1. Are the two programs similar in regards to history and future potential. Answer: Yes
2. Is the coaching position similar? Answer: Yes
3. $$$. Answer: Clemson definitely gave him a pay raise but PSU could have equaled that if they wanted. We know now that Allen didn’t leave for the $.
The fact that Dabo is a great coach to work for is irrelevant when discussing whether the move is lateral or not. That a personal choice. I’m sure there are plenty of coaches out there that don’t like his approach and wouldn’t coach for him.
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Its a huge upgrade for Allen
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Jan 18, 2025, 4:10 PM
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He isn’t workin for a school that systematically raped little boys
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Re: Its a huge upgrade for Allen
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Geez, give it up already will you?
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Re: This isn't a latteral move for Tom Allen.
Jan 18, 2025, 6:02 PM
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Surely you have enough real world experiences to not believe that an employee’s working relationship with his boss is irrelevant.
Have you never known a person who, for one reason or another, left a nice stable job at a nice stable company and then end up at another company in that same industry, with the same pay scale, but was known by ‘industry insiders’ to be a far worse place to work.
The third party observers from within that given industry do NOT consider the above generalized scenario as representing a ‘lateral move.’ The scenario above also applies for when the person at ‘less desirable’ Employer A leaves and goes to work at ‘more desirable’ Employer B.
Just because compensation, job title, parking, and bathroom facilities at two different employers does not mean that a person who moves from one company to the other made a lateral move.
Admittedly, to people that lack detailed knowledge of a particular industry and the various ‘soft factors’ that distinguishes one company from another one, that person would assume that an employee who had a specific job title and job responsibilities - who then changed jobs to work for a different company but still had the same title, pay, and job responsibilities with the new employer made a ‘lateral move.’
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Re: This isn't a latteral move for Tom Allen.
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Jan 18, 2025, 8:00 PM
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WE think coaching at Clemson is an upgrade
WE think coaching for DS is an upgrade
The rest of the college football world view this as a lateral move which it is in general. Bet if Tom Allen’s family didn’t live close to here he’d have stayed right where he was. Tom may view this as an upgrade but like I said that’s a personal view.
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Re: This isn't a latteral move for Tom Allen.
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Jan 18, 2025, 4:11 PM
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Tom was happy up here at psu. It was a tough decision for him to leave. All you have to do is listen to him. @jcantrell86 nailed it. I wandered off and didn't see his post before I posted mine.
As he's said in all his interviews, it was family. All the other perks of lakes and Dabo etc didn't matter one bit if his family wasn't in the area.
Dabo's resume of producing coordinators never entered his mind. Didn't and doesn't move his needle one iota. He knows who he is.
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Re: This isn't a latteral move for Tom Allen.
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Jan 18, 2025, 6:07 PM
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For coaches that care about their players, it is tough to walk away from them and coach somewhere else. I always had some pangs of remorse when changing jobs … knowing that there were friends that I wouldn’t be seeing much or doing things with after I went to work for my new employer. I’ve made such moves for what, to an industry outsider may perceive as a lateral move. Yet, the opportunities and long term career growth potential at the new employer were too good to pass up.
It is possible that Tom Allen saw things that way.
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Why does it matter if it's lateral or not?...
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Jan 18, 2025, 6:29 PM
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Sometimes making a lateral move is the right thing to do. I made a lateral move in my career and ended up with a far better long term career.
Even if it is a lateral move initially for Allen, a lot of factors make it a job with the potential for a better long term outcome for him.
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Re: Why does it matter if it's lateral or not?...
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Jan 18, 2025, 8:06 PM
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Really it doesn’t. But a lot of posters are butt hurt when the media and everyone outside of Clemson says it is. Of course it is, but that doesn’t matter. Tom Allen viewed this Job to be better for him and his situation. That’s all that matters.
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