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Beating my dead horse, again.
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Beating my dead horse, again.

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May 20, 2022, 8:32 AM
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My solution to the NIL is simple. But, it ain't easy and it will never be adopted. Why? Because the universities don't want it; the boosters don't want it; and the fans - like those of us who post on message boards - don't want it.

We complain about big money in the sport and boosters buying players and coaches going around the rules to get the best players. But, the bottom line is everyone wants the best players coming out of high school to play college football. The NFL, the universities, the boosters and the fans.

As long as the system is set up for the best players to play in college football, then paying players, and players going to the highest bidder, is here is stay.

My solution:

When a kid signs a scholarship, he counts against the limit (85 for football) for 5 years or until he graduates from the school that signed him. NO EXCEPTIONS. He leaves for the NFL, he transfers, he just decides he's tired of football and quits, even if he gets injured - no exception. If you give exceptions then school will find a way to exploit that exception.

So, the university tells Big Money Booster, "I don't care if you promise that kid a million dollars and a Ferrari, we ain't signing him. He'll be gone in 3 years (for the NFL) or 1 year (for the NBA) and we will lose that scholarship. We have to sign kids who want to earn a degree and will stay here until they do. Here are the kids we want to sign. If you want to pay someone, pick one of them."

That's the only solution I know of.

We claim we want "student-athletes." We talk about the importance of education and degrees. But, very few of us actually want to put it into practice if it means Lightening Bolt won't be lining up at WR for us this fall.

Until we're willing to come up with a proposal that doesn't include recruiting kids who have no desire to go to college, only to play football or basketball, then expect colleges to figure out how to buy the best players possible. And, expect some other college to outbid your college for the best players.

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I like it.

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May 20, 2022, 8:35 AM
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I would go one step further and make portions (maybe half?) of the NIL funds promised to a player payable on contingency of graduation.

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Re: I like it.

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May 20, 2022, 10:07 AM
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The Supreme Court has ruled neither the school nor NCAA can prevent an athlete from earning money for NIL. Not sure how the school or NCAA can limit that amount or control when the athlete can access the money he's earned.

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May 20, 2022, 12:09 PM
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Spit balling here

-Maybe put the onus on the booster. While the kid is legally able to make all the money in the world off of his NIL, you can regulate the boosters, at least you can to a degree.

Make it a huge deal if boosters contact a kid or entice them to come to a school. No contact until after signing with a school. Of course you would need an enforcement agency to ensure there's no contact and boosters who do not follow the rule are banished from coming on campus, or supporting the school in any way.

Football programs are penalized as well for lack of institutional control. Forget losing scholarships, that only hurts a kid. Penalize coaches and support staff in the wallet, elimination from any and all post season games, etc.

There's ways to control this BS, someone just has to drop nuts and do it.

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May 21, 2022, 9:21 AM
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It makes sense and something has to be done but a 18 - 20 year old doesn't care if the school he/she leaves can't replace him/her with another scholarship player. They have gotten theirs and moved on to their perceived greener pastures.

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Re: Beating my dead horse, again.

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May 20, 2022, 8:45 AM
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I have a much simpler one: Sign in gym, 'FOOTBALL TRYOUTS BEGIN MONDAY" !!!

The only way to "try out" is to be an enrolled, academically eligible same as every student enrolled at XYZ college NO DIFFERENCE. This way you will have amateur college football as it should be. Now these athletes that come to school to play sports for one year, and attend no classes period, be admitted to school with lesser qualifications or whatever can play minor league football or basketball, run by the NFL or NBA.

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^^^ This could end up being the answer someday.

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May 20, 2022, 11:29 AM
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Most of us would still watch it.

The talent would be less spectacular.
But the games would be close.
And like Jerry Seinfeld said…we’re really just cheering for laundry anyway. Put Clemson football uniforms on 100 guys, and we’ll follow it.

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May 21, 2022, 10:57 AM
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That should work well for Furman, but it’s not happening at big time schools

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Seems like punishment

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May 20, 2022, 8:53 AM
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for university football programs.

Can’t ncaa regulate these booster coop scams?

Couldn’t ncaa allocate funds to schools based on graduation rate

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May 20, 2022, 12:55 PM
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You think allocating funds based on graduation rates makes academic cheating more or less likely?

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Make the USFL the minor leagues of the NFL

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May 20, 2022, 9:09 AM
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expand the heck out of it ... one team per state ... whatever.

HS Kids can choose to go to the USFL and get paid, or go to college and get and education (I'm using education loosely here)

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USFL plays in the spring / NFL in the fall ... year round


May 20, 2022, 9:34 AM
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foozball.

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Re: Beating my dead horse, again.

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May 20, 2022, 9:16 AM
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The trick with the toothless NCAA was this.

They can "regulate" schools, not kids. This is where they have always got in trouble. But schools are their "members" and the schools say "hey, ignore our bad deeds, punish the kids" and this that is why players have clawed back something because it is kinda NCAA overreach there.

So back to the NCAA. They can regulate/govern the schools.

Enforce a NIL cap amount on the schools as to how much they can field in a given season. Basically just like Scholly limits. No limit on the kids.... but the school can only field $4416 Million in an academic year.

Thus any kid can go out and get as much money as they want BUT a school *might* not be able to "field them". Ends the buying of all the players. Same way schollys were done back in the day.

I am fine if the limit applies to all NCAA sports and not just each sport (thus if a school wants to get all that sweet womens backetball, they can....)

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May 20, 2022, 12:47 PM
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I like both of your plans.

But, is that going to happen?

What if say: Texas A&M and Texas and Texas Tech or any other school that have "super alums" capable of buying the best players were In addition to what you said Bret: given a NIL capability grade!
Your NIL grade would determine the number of scholarships you were allowed to have.
No, you can't have 85 and the most NIL money. If an alum wants to pick and choose which players are funded NIL + Scholarship then fine. If they willing to pay for both; "fine"!
It would at least free up money for other students or other functions for that school. And, "PERHAPS" even the playing field a bit.
The FACADE of P5 schools all being equal and having equal chances to "WIN" is gone. But, why don't the Yankees win every year? Why doesn't Michigan? Or Notre Dame? Or Southern California? They all have large payrolls or large alumni bases?

Not sure what the answer is: "but something to curve the way it's going now which is absurdly one sided. not even an attempt to be transparent" the sport will die.
The same people who hate the NFL because they don't want to see spoiled paid players will fall out with college football for similar reasons.
And, in many cases many of the college players that will get paid, "aren't good enough to make it in the NFL"! At least, spend your money on an NFL caliber player, LOL!

IDK! I like the way you two are thinking though.

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simpler solution.. remove the NFL/USFL/Arena restrictions

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May 20, 2022, 9:27 AM
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let them go pro

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The NFL restrictions were put in place by the NFL - not sure

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May 20, 2022, 11:04 AM
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about USFL or Arena.

The NFL is protecting themselves from having to draft (for example) the Trevor Lawrences of the world straight out of HS and then having to pay him to grow up while taking up a roster spot.

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and they were sued.. but their 3 year rule was upheld***

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May 20, 2022, 11:24 AM
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So removing the NFL restrictions ain't gonna happen easily***


May 20, 2022, 12:14 PM
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supreme court can do it just as easy as they did NIL***


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Re: supreme court can do it just as easy as they did NIL***


May 20, 2022, 7:57 PM
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No, they can't.

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Exactly. The NFL wants colleges to do the prep work for them***

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Re: Exactly. The NFL wants colleges to do the prep work for them***

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May 20, 2022, 6:30 PM
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Exactly. The NFL loves the fact that the NCAA is their minor leagues. Saves them a boatload of money. That is why they implemented the 3 year rule. They wanted somebody else to develop the players to get tyhem ready for the NFL and they wanted somebody else to pay for it.

And, until the courts ruled that the NCAA could not prevent the players from being paid, the NCAA loved being the minor leagues.

Now, it appears to me, that the NCAA (university presidents) are desperately trying to maintain the "minor league model." I see no-one proposing that the NFL or some other group develop a league that makes kids professionals right out of high school. All I see are folks tryi8ng to figure out a way that they can get the boosters to pay the players while they still get to keep all the billions of dollars of revenue they now have and continue to be the only path kids have to go from HS to NFL.

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Re: Exactly. The NFL wants colleges to do the prep work for them***


May 20, 2022, 6:59 PM
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A simple way for colleges and universities to get back the student-athlete model: make it known that the present state of athletics is unacceptable--that they do not want any athlete who is not interested in getting an education. If an athlete does not accept the terms, then they do not want him/her. An educational institution cannot be forced to abandon the reason they exist for athletes/athletics. The NFL will then be forced to set up minor league teams for those who only want to get paid. College athletics can return to playing student-athletes the way they were before huge TV contracts existed.

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May 20, 2022, 7:14 PM
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The universities could do that. (It's call Division III and IVY League.) The courts do not restrict Div 3 athletes from earning money.

The problem is, no one in power in Div 1 athletics wants that. You think the SEC or ACC or Big Ten presidents are willing to tell there athletic departments, "Don't recruit kids who don't want to get an education"?

Heck, they could do that now. They could impose my rule on their schools today. "Dabo, you have 85 scholarships. If you recruit a player who leaves school before graduating, you have 84 for the next two years. If you recruit 10 who don't graduate, you have 75. Be careful who you recruit."

No president would do that. But, he could. (He would quickly be fired if he did, though. No board of Trustees would tolerate that position.)

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May 20, 2022, 8:05 PM
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What I presented was an absolute way for college athletics to once again have true student-athletes. Do I believe they will? No. Should they? Yes. Institutions of higher learning should not be tasked with running professional athletic teams.

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May 20, 2022, 6:32 PM
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The NFL saves a ton of money while schools train and educate the players for 3-4 years. I wonder just how much that value is money-wise.

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May 20, 2022, 9:30 AM
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$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

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Thought this post was going to be about V1agra or something like that***

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Your idea is an interesting one.

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May 20, 2022, 11:31 AM
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I don't understand why the scholarship can't be a 3-4 year contract, with penalties for not fulfilling that contract.

If players have real consequences for transferring or going pro, especially financial consequences, then they will likely think twice about doing it.

For those who say this isn't fair to 18-22 year-olds, I say it's very fair if they are able to make money with NIL. We can't treat them like adults in one sense, but kids in another.

There would obviously be exceptions to the contract enforcement, such as career-ending injury.

I still say that college athletes should be required to meet higher standards for admission, ideally the standards for that school's student body. The bar being lowered so much for students, just because they are a good athlete, is insulting to the notion of being a student-athlete. I realize that most people aren't for this, since it would mean schools are unable to recruit many/most of the players they currently do, which would also reduce the quality of play on the field. But it's needed if we truly want to stop the current setup where college football is serving as a minor league for the NFL with little regard for the college part.

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May 20, 2022, 4:15 PM
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I like it, but would go one step further and make only until they graduate. This likely would lead to (UNC) fake degrees and academic shenanigans, but it would truly make a statement that they mean business about the student part of student-athlete.

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What do scholarship limits matter if players can get paid?


May 20, 2022, 4:19 PM
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The local car dealerships can just pay players' tuition.


I don't want the "best" players in college football. I want players that want to play college football. The NFL can go pound sand, and then find players wherever, like baseball does.

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Re: What do scholarship limits matter if players can get paid?


May 20, 2022, 6:21 PM
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It matters Clemsnman because "they have to go through the steps"! And because "it's not sustainable" more than likely! It's not like a 5-star player guarantees championships! Let's not kid ourselves! It helps your odds more than a 3-star I would say, "but does not guarantee anything"! They still have to show up to practice. Learn the plays and execute the plays!
They still have to work together with 10 other people.

I understand fully, that "it will get funded"! The plan is to make them fund it "though"! The shelf-life on that is what?

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May 20, 2022, 7:34 PM
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I think Bret’s idea is best I’ve heard. Could perhaps even increase the limits and give more kids opportunities to get an education.

And like Bret says, if kid leaves for any reason, too bad. Go ahead and sign Zion. Is he worth the 4 years knowing he is leaving after one?

The only thing is that I think they should still have to sit a year if they transfer. O/w there are no repercussions for the player that just gets mad and says “if I don’t get my way, I’m leaving.”

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May 20, 2022, 7:34 PM
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I think Bret’s idea is best I’ve heard. Could perhaps even increase the limits and give more kids opportunities to get an education.

And like Bret says, if kid leaves for any reason, too bad. Go ahead and sign Zion. Is he worth the 4 years knowing he is leaving after one?

The only thing is that I think they should still have to sit a year if they transfer. O/w there are no repercussions for the player that just gets mad and says “if I don’t get my way, I’m leaving.”

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May 20, 2022, 11:18 PM
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Scholarships don’t matter for the rich schools as long as unregulated NIL is in the picture.

The NCAA, or whatever new governing body emerges, can’t limit what individual student athletes earn or when or how often they transfer. Student athletes must be treated like any other student; that’s the law. I think that is good and fair as far as it goes.

What is being disrupted, and what must be addressed, is competitive balance for sports and preserving the priority of academics for student athletes.

With those goals in mind, what the NCAA CAN regulate is eligibility. Schools can be limited on their roster size and the NCAA could impose NIL caps. They could even tie the caps to the roster size so that Schools whose athletes earn less in total NIL could have larger rosters and schools with larger NIL earnings would have smaller rosters.

These are the kinds of smart regulations that the NCAA could impose now within the current laws, but of course, this is too smart for the NCAA.

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May 21, 2022, 1:15 AM
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BhamTiger - that would require the player to turn over their earnings to the NCAA would it not? I am pretty sure they don't have to do that. I could be wrong; been known to be wrong anyway.

I like the concept. But, the school is not related so to speak to the NIL deal. It's almost as if it's oblivious to it. Remember the school isn't paying the players; outside dealings are paying the players.

I like what you said about what they can do is restrict eligibility! That is probably going to be the way to curve some of the crazy transfers! Go back to having to sit out a year! Which has the potential to backfire if you think about it. It puts that player on campus with a bunch of hype of what they will bring for a season where they don't have to prove it on the field or court. But, getting paid the whole time legally!

No easy answer to it. I was a fan of the NIL and still am to a degree. But, I wish the transfer portal would jump into a portal and vanish. Call it the transfer, migration. A migration that is going to take at least a year to make and not give instant gratification.

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May 21, 2022, 1:17 AM
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IMO if players leave for any reason other the for medical reasons or family problems that require a kind to play closer to home they should have to reimburse the school for part or all of their scholarship money.

In fact I feel players who make a certain amount of NIL money should have to pay their own way. This rule only works if it is strictly enforced by the NCAA.

There should be limited reasons for a kid to enter the TP. Again it must be strictly enforced. No exceptions for NIL or the TP.

I think there should also be a cap on NIL earnings so all schools are on a more level playing field.

Right now I consider college football as just another greedy big corporate entity where the schools with the most money can buy the top players. A great example is A&M! With a cap on each player’s earning potential you give more schools a fair chance and limit rich booster’s involvement.

I wonder how many needed families Texas A&M could have helped instead of buying their #1 class. Sorry Jimbo but you just ain’t that good at recruiting or coaching!

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May 21, 2022, 11:01 AM
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You must live in a world of rainbows and lollipops. That’s not happening in anyone’s world. It’s probably time for old school college football fans to move on with their lives and start going to those weddings every woman plans in the football season and we’ve always tried to get out of. Things have changed and they aren’t going back to the way we liked them.
I’m personally still ticked about scholarship limits .

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