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Banning Books? Yay or Nay
Sep 27, 2022, 9:08 AM
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It always concerns me when anyone wants to ban books left, right, religious, communist etc. If you do not allow alternative view points because of fear of indoctrination then how do you know you are not the one indoctrinated. Its all about power. Pickens County was forced to ban a high school book - a book I don't agree with, but I disagree with censorship more - unless from the mods.
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so you condone Playboys at middle school?***
Sep 27, 2022, 9:10 AM
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Re: so you condone Playboys at middle school?***
Sep 27, 2022, 9:17 AM
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I would have sure loved to have them back then. The underwear section of JC Penny catalogue was the best we had and all they sold was granny panties
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The Sears catalog was better
Sep 27, 2022, 9:32 AM
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Reminds me of going to school in Pickens County back in the 70s - Edwards Middle and Daniel High. The libraries had magazines in clear binders in a rack that you could check out - Time, Newsweek, Sports Illustrated.
Sports Illustrated was the most popular magazine to get checked out and it stayed checked out a lot. But every February, they wouldn't put out the swimsuit edition and we'd be like aww man, that's censorship. of course now I see the validity of that reasoning, but as impressionable, hormonal young males back then, we were frustrated.
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SI + Cheryl Tiegs + Fishnet bathing suit = happy adolescence
Sep 27, 2022, 11:34 AM
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Would link but don’t wish to get banned today.
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Lol, I still remember the print on that shoot. "Most models
Sep 27, 2022, 11:40 AM
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would look like a sack of potatoes in this suit, but Tiegs makes it work." Man, did she ever!
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Re: so you condone Playboys at middle school?***
Sep 27, 2022, 9:20 AM
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What would be the purpose of that? Are there any ideas or essays in those - then maybe include the articles and redact the photos.
Well the logical extreme argument against censorship would have been child pornography or a book proposing violence against children.
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Who forced Pickens County to ban said book? That might be
Sep 27, 2022, 9:11 AM
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more informative than the book itself.
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I’m in favor of banning anything that disagrees with me.***
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Re: I’m in favor of banning anything that disagrees with me.***
Sep 27, 2022, 9:19 AM
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Re: Banning Books? Yay or Nay
Sep 27, 2022, 9:28 AM
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Let's draw a distinction between books for adults and books for children. Adults, I am with you to not ban anything. Children, of course the books should be age-appropriate (and the sicko purple-haired, pierced people don't get a say in what is age-appropriate - it should be a PARENTAL standard).
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Re: Banning Books? Yay or Nay
Sep 27, 2022, 9:34 AM
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I'm not for banning books, but am totally against requiring reading some of the stupid books that are now sometimes required for college students. If I recall UNC or maybe Duke was requiring incoming students a few years ago to read some sort of garbage book prior to the start of school.
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Re: Banning Books? Yay or Nay
Sep 27, 2022, 9:40 AM
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Yea I agree requiring someone to read something seems like a different standard vs making available a book to read.
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Re: Banning Books? Yay or Nay
Sep 27, 2022, 9:37 AM
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I am typically in support of freedom but that is for adults. Children need to be both protected and guided for proper development. An extreme example would be showing #### to 2nd graders. We can teach children to to think and reason using examples not related to sex or gender or two dads or two moms. Schools should teach reading, writing, science and math. We are failing in these areas in part because the schools are not focusing on their actual purpose.
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Re: Banning Books? Yay or Nay
Sep 27, 2022, 9:46 AM
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Yes I agree and believe most schools just want to teach kids the basics and are not worried about discussing or changing social norms.
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Re: Banning Books? Yay or Nay
Sep 27, 2022, 7:55 PM
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We cannot make that assumption any longer.
Too much anecdote from all around the country where schools are quietly peddling #### or tranny stuff to school kids.
All parents need to wake up and recognize the risk of inappropriate reading (& viewing) materials being slipped into the school's realm of literature.
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In general? Absolutely not.
Sep 27, 2022, 9:39 AM
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However, there are obviously certain places where certain books are inappropriate. Like the above example of Playboys in middle schools. Things still need to be age appropriate.
I have a problem with the idea of governments completely banning books though.
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Re: In general? Absolutely not.
Sep 27, 2022, 2:34 PM
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How are Playboy's not age appropriate for middle school? Has God not determined that middle schoolers are ready for procreation? Or is God wrong?
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It seems the real argument here boils down to what's an
Sep 27, 2022, 9:45 AM
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appropriate age to introduce children to the ideas of homosexuality, transgenders, same-sex relationships, etc. You can't shelter your children from that forever, even if you don't agree with it. At the same time, I don't want to have to talk to my children about that stuff before we even have the big talk about sex in general. And that's also something i would really rather my wife and i explain. I don't think that's the job of our schools.
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public schools yes. public library no.***
Sep 27, 2022, 10:00 AM
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Re: public schools yes. public library no.***
Sep 27, 2022, 7:59 PM
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Agree with your public library view, but with a condition:
There must be an "Adults Only Section" of the library for those 'anything goes' books. The librarians must vigilantly enforce the 'no kids permitted here' rule for that "Adults Only Section" of the library.
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Re: Banning Books? Yay or Nay
Sep 27, 2022, 10:18 AM
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absolutely - ban the filth - not fit our young kids eyes. They will learn soon enough.
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Yes, I'm for certain children's books being banned
Sep 27, 2022, 10:35 AM
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from libraries. There are books which are not age-appropriate for children.
The million dollar question is, who gets to decide which books? That's the problem as I see it.
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Absolute No...if you don't want your kid to read a
Sep 27, 2022, 10:43 AM
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book...or books about certain subjects then tell your kid he's not allowed to check out those books, OR contact the school and tell them your kid is not allowed to check out certain books OR is only allowed to check out books you approve. Parents need to parent.
...and there is no #### in school libraries.
There are certainly age appropriate books for different grade levels. A book for a 5th grader may not be appropriate for a 1st grader. Doesn't require the book to be banned. School librarians and their assistant have a handle on what a grade level should be reading.
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I'm in principal a right leaning libertarian but I'm a
Sep 27, 2022, 10:57 AM
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Pragmatist when it comes to copies of the Karma Sutra or Mein Kampf in a 3rd grade classroom.
Like it or not America is born from Judeo Christian ideals and will default to that moral bearing.
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Is this a real question?
Sep 27, 2022, 11:07 AM
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The answer is no…fack no. People are stupid, books are not. Just use common sense on what is age appropriate.
NO banning in Slactown!!!
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Change is coming to America and the world
Sep 27, 2022, 11:19 AM
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Our country will change more in the next 3 months to a year in my opinion as God moves world wide. We shouldn’t have to ban any book because books that kids shouldn’t read shouldn’t be available for children period.
As parents we should be the ones teach our kids about sex, sexuality and the decide the appropriate age for our kids to learn these things.
Schools should be helping our kids learn the basic subjects. Getting involved in the schools where your children are makes a huge difference, my wife & I helped with PTA and volunteered in our kids classes serval times a week until we decided to home school after my daughters got Lupus.
Everyone should have the choice to homeschool if they would like to also.
It’s going to be neat to see how God’s spirit(love) moves in our schools, homes, businesses etc.
Revival like we have never seen before is coming in my opinion.
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Heh
Sep 27, 2022, 11:32 AM
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I shouldn't respond to this silliness, but...
It’s going to be neat to see how God’s spirit(love) moves in our schools, homes, businesses etc.
Translation: "It's going to be neat when a significant portion of the population is placed into oppression to obey our theocracy, and we cease to become a free nation because it benefits my world view."
People who want books banned are short-sighted and stupid.
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Re: Heh
Sep 27, 2022, 8:03 PM
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Smart and thoughtful guys like you should qualify your opinions, rather than blurt out a categorical yes or no.
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Re: Banning Books? Yay or Nay
Sep 27, 2022, 11:25 AM
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What kind of nerd goes to the library in high school?
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Banning books worked if you were old and dumb pre-Internet
Sep 27, 2022, 11:36 AM
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Now, banning books just makes you extra old and dumb.
Anything you attempt to censor will be voraciously consumed via the Interwebs by anyone you're trying to keep it from. It'll wind up on the news. It'll wind up on special shelves in book stores. Kids who wouldn't have even known it existed now will have looked up all the bad content by the time they return to school. If you want a book to go away, you're better off not making a big deal about it.
But old dumb people won't learn that.
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Re: Old & Dumb pre-internet ... U R wrong on this one
Sep 27, 2022, 8:11 PM
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Just because there are other means for kids to be exposed to age-inappropriate reading material does not justify any entity (including schools) to also do so.
(1) Here's a rhetorical example: Your's is analogous to the fentanyl argument ... should fentanyl be available in the 'legal market' simply because fentanyl is readily available in the black market?
(2) Here's a rhetorical question ... should child prostitution be permitted in all venues simply because there are illegal venues in which child prostitution takes place? Shouldn't children who want to make some money be given the right to sell their bodies to anyone who wants to screw them?
Of course, the answer to both (1) and (2) is a resounding NO.
There is no logic to expanding the venues in which age-inappropriate reading material simply because there are other venues through which kids can access inappropriate reading materials.
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So help me with this example
Sep 27, 2022, 11:06 PM
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Should a book that has a story about two daughters getting their father drunk and seducing him, thus resulting in their pregnancies, be in schools libraries?
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Re: So help me with this example
Sep 27, 2022, 11:22 PM
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How explicit is the book in question?
Does it go into graphic detail about the drunken & seduced father's wingding being gobbled up by the eager mouth(s) of each daughter?
Does it vividly describe how the daughters tee-bagged their daddy?
Or ... does the book use 'clinical' language which refers to the sex in a non-descriptive way, and with the focus upon how the daughter(s) deal with girl-hood pregnancy?
There is a distinction between a porno book and a novel which describes the trials, mistakes, efforts to overcome difficult times.
I don't need to know the specific book that you may be referencing. Most adults (including I) know the distinction between #### and a life's struggle novel; that is why the book in question needs to be carefully reviewed by the school board, the PTA / concerned parents crowd before it is allowed into the school environment, or if the book needs to be banned from the school.
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Re: So help me with this example
Sep 28, 2022, 8:12 AM
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Is it graphically described? No, but the daughters scheme to get Dad drunk so they can take advantage of him. The oldest daughter bangs him the first night. They do it again the second night and the younger daughter takes a turn. Both become pregnant.
This is a book found in pretty much every public school library. Including elementary. Should those kids have access?
I don't need to know the specific book that you may be referencing.
Are you sure you don't?
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Can you ban / control phones and access to the Internet?
Sep 27, 2022, 12:45 PM
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Better to put effort towards teaching young people how to manage and handle different types of information.
Banning books is like pissing in the ocean. Also it creates motivation for young adults to read them. How many teenagers avoid alcohol, weed and sex because adults told them to? Or were you in the crowd that if something was “forbidden” then it must be fun?
Age appropriate reading assignments are OK but no book banning IMO.
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Re: Can you ban / control phones: False argument
Sep 27, 2022, 8:15 PM
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Your's is a false argument.
Just because there are other means for kids to be exposed to age-inappropriate reading material does not justify all entities (including schools) to also do so.
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You're missing the point
Sep 28, 2022, 9:00 AM
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When you ban books, it only encourages young people to access them even more. You're creating the opposite effect.
And as I'm already proving elsewhere in the thread, book banners like yourself only want books that YOU find inappropriate banned; you think that only YOUR take on this matter should be applied.
Where you're short-sighted is that you now open the door for lots and lots and lots of different people with different views than you trying to ban books that you approve of. Why? Because you opened this discussion up and validated it.
You haven't thought this through.
Wanna see how that applies to a gun control argument?
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There is a German Non-profit
Sep 27, 2022, 1:35 PM
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collecting banned books from all over the planet. They hope to burn them to avoid freezing to death this winter.
#putinownsthem
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Was selling snippets from hardcore pron mags f/ $.25 a pop.
Sep 27, 2022, 4:54 PM
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I was 11 then. My 14 y.o. buddy and I used it to buy the P.T. lumber and plywood for our underground fort in the windbreak woods by the steeplechase field... Cutting lawns, selling mistletoe door-to-door, selling pron at school,...
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Re: Banning Books (for schools)? Yay or Nay --- Yay
Sep 27, 2022, 7:48 PM
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If your question is really about banning books for school kids, then yes, selected books (and magazines) should be banned ... but with conditions.
School boards with active participation / input from parents should be assigned the duty to choose which books are allowed on the school grounds.
This pertains to both banned books and also to those books which are allowed.
The decision of which books get banned are then publicly and vigorously shared with all of the parents / guardians of the school kids. This 'notification' goes beyond the book's title and author; an overview of the book's contents should also be provided.
If parent(s) object to a particular book, then the school board gets to review that objection and then make the final decision.
Yes, this is a big task and one that will be hard to execute. But the parents of today's school kids must play a much more active role in what materials are available (and of what materials should not be available) to their kids.
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What folly
Sep 28, 2022, 9:05 AM
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What a long winded post to somehow justify censorship (but let me guess; you don't think it's censorship because you don't like that word) and harken back to times/societies that did the same thing and failed miserably.
If parent(s) object to a particular book, then the school board gets to review that objection and then make the final decision.
Any person requesting a book be banned should be required to read the book in its entirety and submit a report outlining (in proper MLA format) an argument about why it should be removed.
Yes, this is a big task and one that will be hard to execute. But the parents of today's school kids must play a much more active role in what materials are available (and of what materials should not be available) to their kids.
Hey, can I pick some? Let's throw out any book mentioning God because that's indoctrination, or let's throw out any book that supports your particular political ideology because little kids just don't need that. You see where this can lead? Again, you haven't thought this through.
Any grown adult advocating banning a book needs to turn in his America card and seek refuge elsewhere. You're now on the level with China.
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In a free country we wouldn't ban books. However
Sep 27, 2022, 10:11 PM
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this isn't a free country and we are all forced to pay for government libraries and government schools. Therefore there should be a level of decency required for a book to be put into a government pool of books, especially when the target audience is children.
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Clearly we should ban...
Sep 28, 2022, 9:07 AM
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Any books that advocate anarchy in any way, amirite? We don't any anti-establishment ideas getting into kids' minds, right?
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Re: Banning Books? Yay or Nay
Sep 28, 2022, 8:37 AM
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Absolutely not - there should be a Bible in every classroom.
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For what purpose?
Sep 28, 2022, 9:06 AM
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Why would you need that in a math class?
I'm not an advocate of removing it, obviously, in said math class, but you're making it sound like it should be required.
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Re: For what purpose?
Sep 28, 2022, 9:13 AM
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Why do you need any of these books that are being banned?
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Are they not talking about in the library?
Sep 28, 2022, 9:15 AM
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Wouldn't you put the Bible there instead of a copy in every classroom?
I'm assuming you think we should have every official religious text in every classroom, too?
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Re: Are they not talking about in the library?
Sep 28, 2022, 9:21 AM
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Why does it have to just be the library?
Maybe there should be no controls over anything related to books.
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You're right. There probably shouldn't be.
Sep 28, 2022, 9:25 AM
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I took your Bible comment to be making it a requirement. Sorry if I misunderstood.
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Re: You're right. There probably shouldn't be.
Sep 28, 2022, 9:37 AM
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My point is that most people have some threshold for book banning, it's just higher or lower or for different reasons for different groups. I'm ok with having certain books not available in schools, especially at certain age groups. I think it should ultimately be up to school boards that are elected by people in the community. In more liberal communities there will be more liberal books, and in more conservative communities there will be more conservative books in a school library. I don't think it's that big of a deal either way.
But, ban that book from the school library, and the 12 year old me is just going to have to find it and read it. Besides, does anyone still go to libraries?
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