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Dynasty Maker [3495]
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A case for expanded playoffs
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Jan 21, 2025, 2:11 PM
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Neither Notre Dame nor Ohio State would have made a 4-team playoff.
Final CFP Poll:
1 Oregon 13-0 2 Georgia 11-2 3 Texas 11-2 4 Penn State 11-2 5 Notre Dame 11-1 6 Ohio State 10-2
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Paw Master [16129]
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ND would've gotten in, but...
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Jan 21, 2025, 2:21 PM
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Let's pretend Oregon played UGA for the Natty and Oregon won going 16-0 with wins over Ohio St, Penn St, UGA, etc... Would they have been a worthy champion?
Or would we say that Ohio St got shafted even though they lost to both Michigan and Oregon?
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National Champion [7174]
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in that case, Ohio St had their chance during the regular season to beat Oregon
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Jan 21, 2025, 2:25 PM
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with 4 teams getting in, there's a lot more weight given to the regular season & CCGs.
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Re: in that case, Ohio St had their chance during the regular season to beat Oregon
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Jan 21, 2025, 2:57 PM
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The B1G was so strong they just beat each other up. 💪
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Re: How so? Didnt the CCGs have an ever bigger impact this season?
Jan 22, 2025, 1:21 PM
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In a 4 team playoff Ohio State doesn’t make it - so, losing in the regular season to Oregon would have meant something.
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Its a pointless argument but I think he is assuming, like myself...
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Jan 21, 2025, 3:24 PM
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that the actual final rankings in a 4 team playoff would have been slightly different. ND is probably 4 with Texas or PSU being 3.
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National Champion [7539]
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Re: Its a pointless argument but I think he is assuming, like myself...
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Jan 21, 2025, 3:25 PM
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You think the criteria they use to rank, and the resulting decisions, would have been different if only 4 teams got in?
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Re: Its a pointless argument but I think he is assuming, like myself...
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Jan 21, 2025, 3:39 PM
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You think the criteria they use to rank, and the resulting decisions, would have been different if only 4 teams got in?
Yes. And I’m not being conspiratorial. The committee knows what they want to do and then they put together the justification each week.
Ok, that does sound conspiratorial - but that is what happens. Committee wouldn’t go two SEC and two B1G and face that kind of uproar.
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Re: ND would've gotten in, but...
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Jan 21, 2025, 3:36 PM
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Of course Oregon would have been worthy Champions because in your Playoff, they would have won. End of story.
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Re: ND would've gotten in, but...
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Jan 21, 2025, 3:37 PM
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The problem is the system of selecting a champion is not legitimate. That's the issue. It's not really the number of teams. It's having teams that qualify versus being selected.
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Dynasty Maker [3495]
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Its finally set up like every other sport. Playoffs.
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Jan 21, 2025, 11:40 PM
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What do you mean by, “the system of selecting a champion is not legitimate”?
Are no playoffs in any sport legitimate?
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Teams that didnt deserve to be there
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Jan 21, 2025, 2:25 PM
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Ended up winning” isn’t really an argument for the expanded playoff.
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CU Guru [1528]
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Re: Teams that didnt deserve to be there
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Jan 21, 2025, 3:37 PM
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All I did deserve to be there. The problem is you're accepting the premise that we should just select teams to the playoffs, is opposed to having them qualify.
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Oculus Spirit [39223]
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They literally did select teams.
Jan 21, 2025, 8:55 PM
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What did Ohio State do to qualify? Was losing to mediocre teams at home a good qualification?
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Dynasty Maker [3495]
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Are you saying the best team could have been left out?
Jan 21, 2025, 11:43 PM
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I think the selection process was good at capturing the best teams.
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Highly disagree. OSU should never have gotten a shot
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Jan 21, 2025, 2:31 PM
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Every game in CFB used to matter. Now it doesn’t. Ohio State shouldn’t haven’t gotten a shot to win it all after losing 2 conference games and not making their conference championship game.
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Re: Highly disagree. OSU should never have gotten a shot
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Jan 21, 2025, 3:32 PM
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Yes. It seems silly to me that you somehow can be National Champions without being able to qualify to even play in, let alone win your conference championship?
We know that the NCAAT winner is the *tournament* winner. Super Bowl winner is just that. Change the "title" handed out to "CFP Champion" and it would at least be honest.
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Dynasty Maker [3495]
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The NCAAT winner is the national champion. The winner of baseball playoffs is
Jan 21, 2025, 11:37 PM
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the national champion. The Super Bowl winner is the NFL champion. The winner of the college football championship game is the national champion.
Do you see a theme here? All sports utilize a playoff to determine a champion. Sometimes teams who were the highest rated don’t win and become champions. Sometimes teams get better as the season goes or peak at the right time.
Ohio State absolutely deserved to be in a 12 team playoff. There was no question they could win it.
If they would have narrowed it down to four teams, the two teams who actually played to be called champion would not have been invited, meaning the 4-team playoff would have missed the two best teams standing in the last game.
The team deserving to be called the best in the country and national champion is Ohio State.
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Did it truly decide the best team, or the best team with
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Jan 21, 2025, 2:34 PM
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the best circumstances to make the championship game? I imagine we will see the bye games disappear and more calls for 16 teams
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Re: Did it truly decide the best team, or the best team with
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Jan 21, 2025, 3:30 PM
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Disagree. Having 4 rounds of playoffs hurt the enthusiasm for the final, especially with a 7 and 8 seed. It just confirmed the longer you make the season, the more random the result. The team with the best season didn’t win so it didn’t really identify a worthy national champion in my opinion. It’s now just a tournament sport. One of 4 really serious problems now in a sport that had been the best.
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Re: A case for expanded playoffs
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Jan 21, 2025, 2:40 PM
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It definitely shows how bad the 'ranking' czars are in determining the order of top teams. LOL
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Legend [6922]
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more like a case against***
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Jan 21, 2025, 2:50 PM
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Dynasty Maker [3495]
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Please explain***
Jan 21, 2025, 8:49 PM
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Game Changer [1962]
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Im all for the expanded playoffs...
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Jan 21, 2025, 3:26 PM
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we should be thankful it was expanded this year as it gave us a shot to win the title. It was entertaining and more like the NFL where its about being good enough in the season to be in position to win it all.
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Game Changer [1912]
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Re: A case for expanded playoffs
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Jan 21, 2025, 3:33 PM
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Wrong AGAIN Texas would NOT have been in Next question
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Re: A case for expanded playoffs
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Jan 21, 2025, 3:45 PM
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As the #3 team in the final CFP rankings, why wouldn't Texas have made the playoffs under the old format?
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Re: A case for expanded playoffs
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Jan 21, 2025, 3:36 PM
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Just go to 16 with no byes and the SEC gets 6 guaranteed spots. That's what Dictator Sankey wants anyways.
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Game Changer [1935]
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Re: A case for expanded playoffs
Jan 21, 2025, 11:06 PM
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8 teams is probably enough. It would have been this year.
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Clemson Conqueror [11271]
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But there would've been at least two 2-loss teams in a 4 team playoff this year!
Jan 21, 2025, 9:02 PM
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That never happened before!
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