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I'm LOLing so hard here.
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I'm LOLing so hard here.


May 31, 2022, 4:15 PM

Some of you who wanted Brad fired are so upset that Neff fired Monte Lee, thereby crushing your ridiculous logic that the only reason Brad wasn't fired is because Neff didn't have the guts to fire someone.

Well, Neff does have the guts to fire someone, so you are left to accept the fact that Neff sees that Brad is a really good coach who has been unfortunate enough to have a bunch of disadvantages at Clemson.

I know, I know, I'm bringing up another sore spot for you, which is the realization that Clemson actually isn't the perfect place to work. For now, just trust me and accept the fact that our basketball program has had a bunch of disadvantages which Neff recognizes and is in the process of addressing.

Carry on.

P.S. Go Tigers!

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"All those 'Fire Brownell' guys can kiss it." -Joseph Girard III

"Everybody needs to know that Coach Brownell is arguably the best coach to come through Clemson." -PJ Hall


Here’s the key statement from Neff


May 31, 2022, 4:20 PM

“The expectations for Clemson Baseball are very high”

The expectations for basketball are not high at all.

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Re: Here’s the key statement from Neff


May 31, 2022, 4:22 PM

Truth! No expectations whatsoever unfortunately. We will see what next year holds. Not sure Neff sends another letter after next season.

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MEG


Re: Here’s the key statement from Neff


May 31, 2022, 5:36 PM

Plenty of expectations but there has to also be an expectation of support. Neff said as much and stated he would provide the funding commitment required to be a very good program. After the support is in place then Neff has demonstrated his willingness to change coaches if they don’t meet expectations

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Re: Here’s the key statement from Neff


May 31, 2022, 4:24 PM [ in reply to Here’s the key statement from Neff ]

Exactly the Brownell versus Monte discussion is apples and oranges. Clemson baseball has always been a force in the ACC and a known commodity nationally. Clemson basketball (with the exception of 1 year with Cliff Ellis and a couple with Rick Barnes and OP) has always been lucky to be a mid pack ACC team and never really a player on the national stage. If Brownell gets the basketball team to the tourney 2 out of 5 years he will keep his job. If baseball misses the tourney 2 years in a row, heads are going to roll. The big question in my mind though is did Monte take the fall for not wanting to fire See?

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Re: Here’s the key statement from Neff


May 31, 2022, 4:25 PM [ in reply to Here’s the key statement from Neff ]

owensb01® said:

“The expectations for Clemson Baseball are very high”

The expectations for basketball are not high at all.



Why has our baseball program historically been much more successful than our basketball program? Well before brownell got here.

I'm expect a nice, coherent, well thought out answer from you.

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"I'm expect a nice, coherent, well thought out answer from you."


May 31, 2022, 4:26 PM

Like this?...

https://www.tigernet.com/clemson-forum/message/re-graham-neff-just-confirmed-that-30765839#30765839





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"I've played multiple sports and would bet any amount that I'm still more athletic than you at this present time...."


Re: "I'm expect a nice, coherent, well thought out answer from you."


May 31, 2022, 4:35 PM

That's actually a quite stupid response. My original question was not to you, but you are welcome to try agaan.

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Ok...


May 31, 2022, 4:36 PM

Let's focus on the coherent part...

"I'm expect..."

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"I've played multiple sports and would bet any amount that I'm still more athletic than you at this present time...."


I became confused at “I’m.”***


May 31, 2022, 4:43 PM



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Two words


May 31, 2022, 5:01 PM [ in reply to Re: Here’s the key statement from Neff ]

Bill Wilhelm

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Re: Here’s the key statement from Neff


May 31, 2022, 4:47 PM [ in reply to Here’s the key statement from Neff ]

That's what many of us expected.

Neff realized, and that's why he made the change in baseball and not in basketball.

However, I think that sends a bad message to our fans and recruits that we don't want a better basketball program. IMO

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That isn’t the message Neff sent at all.


May 31, 2022, 6:41 PM

He said he wants to have a very good basketball program, and acknowledged that the administration has to do a better job.

Neff’s comments show prospective players and coaches that Clemson isn’t just a football school, but also a school that wants a strong basketball program and supports it accordingly. That’s going to go a long way toward changing the current view of Clemson when it comes to basketball.

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Re: I'm LOLing so hard here.


May 31, 2022, 4:22 PM

Being a Clemson basketball fan does require a good sense of humor.

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I tend to get angry about it myself


May 31, 2022, 4:27 PM

though I wish I could laugh. Provably a healthier response…

I have hopes this winter will bring goodness to our program and that whatever CBB has asked for and hadn’t received, he does now. From there, we will have to wait and see!

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Re: I'm LOLing so hard here.


May 31, 2022, 4:24 PM

There’s no doubt in my mind that you’re coward. Your arrogance and they way you talked down and called our womens softball team fat leaves no doubts that you’re b!tch.

I promise you you’d never act like that in front of a man.

You little b!tch.

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Re: I'm LOLing so hard here.


May 31, 2022, 4:26 PM

That’s someone’s daughter…

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I'm not sure what you're talking about.


May 31, 2022, 4:28 PM [ in reply to Re: I'm LOLing so hard here. ]

I never called our softball team fat. That's ridiculous.

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Re: I'm not sure what you're talking about.


May 31, 2022, 4:29 PM

You most certainly did you lying sack of garbage

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I never called our softball team fat and you know it.***


May 31, 2022, 4:36 PM



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Unfortunately for you, that's how it was perceived...


May 31, 2022, 4:41 PM

even if it wasn't your intent.




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"I've played multiple sports and would bet any amount that I'm still more athletic than you at this present time...."


It's not unfortunate for me.


May 31, 2022, 4:44 PM

I was very clear in multiple instances in that thread clarifying what I meant. What's unfortunate is that some people here overreacted, either because they don't like me, are overly defensive of Clemson athletics, or because they are overly sensitive in general.

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"Everybody needs to know that Coach Brownell is arguably the best coach to come through Clemson." -PJ Hall


Take it up with HR...


May 31, 2022, 4:45 PM

or the mods, or whoever put the post in quarantine.




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"I've played multiple sports and would bet any amount that I'm still more athletic than you at this present time...."


mods didn't think so...they're usually very tolerant...it


May 31, 2022, 4:46 PM [ in reply to It's not unfortunate for me. ]

was a tasteless post as was your posting pictures of the Miss St. softball team. Thus quarantine!

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You are making the assumption that the thread


May 31, 2022, 4:50 PM

was removed based on something I said.

Have you considered the fact that it might have been removed because of something someone else said?

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LOL, so are you going to deny getting a tmail from the mods


May 31, 2022, 5:10 PM

about that thread?

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I missed this thread. What


May 31, 2022, 5:47 PM [ in reply to You are making the assumption that the thread ]

was the issue???

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I started a thread stating that softball players tend to be of the larger variety and asked why.


May 31, 2022, 6:56 PM

I asked if that is because it confers an advantage in the sport, or if the nature of softball selects for bigger women. It was a simple question.

Several people incorrectly concluded that I was calling all softball players fat, so I immediately clarified that I was referring to both height and weight. I clarified this in multiple responses.

Some people said that I was calling our softball players fat. I clarified that I was not. Then I randomly picked another softball program (Mississippi State) and showed that their roster consists of women much larger than the average female height in the U.S. of 5’4.”

Some people said that I was calling all women fat. I clarified that I was not, but reminded them that according to the CDC most people in the U.S. (both men and women) are overweight. Roughly 66% of the population to be exact.

Evidently the thread was deleted by the mods. I never heard anything else about it until this thread, when some people who have a problem with me and overreacted to the thread brought it up again.

That’s all I have.

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Got it. All I can say is that Clemson has multiple


May 31, 2022, 10:45 PM

burners and a few other games I caught this year had opposing teams with the most lovely ladies (somebody’s daughters), but Miss State had a girl that looked like a Rhino so I think there is some balance. That chick was massive, but she ran the bases probably better than I could at 43.

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Absolutely. There are some incredible athletes who play college softball.


May 31, 2022, 10:54 PM

Many of them are in great shape. Even the ones who aren’t are still very good at what they do.

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Yes you did...quit trying to do the backstroke. You


May 31, 2022, 4:37 PM [ in reply to I'm not sure what you're talking about. ]

basically said that all softball players were overweight and out of shape. You then posted pictures of the Miss St. girls to prove your point (why them I wonder?). To make matters worse you posted numerous times the national averages showing that most are overweight to try and prove your point.

It was a tasteless post that you posted in the middle of our girls playing in the regionals. Instead of apologizing you just kept to your narrative and you were called out for it.

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It's amazing that this bothers you so much.


May 31, 2022, 4:48 PM

1. I didn't call anyone fat.
2. I'm not backpedaling.
3. I did ask why softball players are taller and heavier overall compared to most other female college athletes, as well as average 18-22 year-olds.
4. I asked because I wondered (and still wonder) if it confers an advantage when playing softball. Perhaps the nature of softball attracts women who are taller and/or heavier. I don't know, which is why I asked.
5. There was nothing tasteless about what I posted. I'm disappointed that the thread was removed, because it highlighted a bunch of ridiculous overreactions from some of you which were uncalled for.

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#5 shows you were simply gaslighting...


May 31, 2022, 4:50 PM

and had no interest in an actual answer to your question, which many found offensive and tasteless.

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"I've played multiple sports and would bet any amount that I'm still more athletic than you at this present time...."


You're incorrect as usual.


May 31, 2022, 4:53 PM

The thread wasn't started with any intention other than to have my question answered.

You seem intent on repeatedly discussing that thread. Why?

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Another poster brought it up...


May 31, 2022, 4:54 PM

and I'm well versed on the subject. Are you trying to stop me from discussing it? If so, why?

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"I've played multiple sports and would bet any amount that I'm still more athletic than you at this present time...."


Yes, and you seem intent on keeping it going.


May 31, 2022, 4:57 PM

I'm simply asking why. You seem to enjoy it.

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I'm simply answering questions that are being asked...


May 31, 2022, 4:59 PM

and providing additional insight for concerned posters. This shouldn't be an issue for you since you stand behind your original post.

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"I've played multiple sports and would bet any amount that I'm still more athletic than you at this present time...."


Re: I'm simply answering questions that are being asked...


May 31, 2022, 5:06 PM

This thread reminds me of a Seinfeld Episode and why TNET is arguably the best sports message board on the E-Webs. Thanks for making my day!

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I'll ask again...why the Miss. St. pictures?***


May 31, 2022, 5:05 PM [ in reply to It's amazing that this bothers you so much. ]



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I thought of a softball program besides ours and Mississippi State’s came to mind first.


May 31, 2022, 10:24 PM

It was literally the first one I thought of, so I looked up their roster and posted the stats.

Not surprisingly, that wasn’t good enough for the triggered among us.

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You did not mean “tall”


May 31, 2022, 5:20 PM [ in reply to It's amazing that this bothers you so much. ]

You would not have mentioned conditioning until your original post if you were asking why they were tall. And again softball players are not as tall as basketball and volleyball.

You were just looking for some “clever” way to being attention to overweight softball players for some reason in the middle of our super regional.

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No, I meant larger, which is exactly what I said.


May 31, 2022, 7:00 PM

When you and others got offended, I clarified that I meant bigger in terms of both height and weight.

I don’t understand why anyone should have a problem with my thread. Softball players are taller and heavier than most other college athletes, as well as the average female college student. The question is, why?

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Are you talking about his post that was quarantined?


May 31, 2022, 4:29 PM [ in reply to Re: I'm LOLing so hard here. ]

Probably just a misunderstanding.




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"I've played multiple sports and would bet any amount that I'm still more athletic than you at this present time...."


Re: Are you talking about his post that was quarantined?***


May 31, 2022, 4:31 PM

Was it took down? Not surprised… it was shameful

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taken***


May 31, 2022, 4:34 PM



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Brad Brownell: Only Larry freaking Shyatt has a WORSE overall winning percentage among Clemson basketball coaches since 1975. Let that sink in. It's Larry Shyatt & then Brad Brownell.


Re: taken***


May 31, 2022, 4:36 PM

No grammar police… it’s not taken.

You could say did they take it down? But not “ did they taken it down”… now go jump off a bridge

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Re: taken***


May 31, 2022, 4:52 PM

No it’s definitely “taken”.

“Took” is a perfect past tense verb meaning it needs to be the main verb of the sentence. In your question the verb is “Was” the perfect past tense of “to be”, so you need a past participle of “take”, which would be “taken”.

So you could say:

They took the money and ran.

Or you could say:

The money was taken to the police.

Notice the use of “was”.

Now all that to be said, in southern dialects past perfect and participles are used interchangeably and I’m pretty sure everyone understood the meaning of your sentence. So I don’t think you were wrong. But if we are going to argue about meaningless rules, which I love to do, I’m going with “taken” as the correct verbiage.

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lol - are you serious right now ? . . . .


May 31, 2022, 4:54 PM [ in reply to Re: taken*** ]

you said

"Was it took down" . . . .


And you are saying that the ONLY proper way to say this ISN'T

"Was it taken down" . . . .



Tense is important.


Bridge jumping seems a bit harsh. Maybe if you said "why don't you tooked a long walk off a short bridge" . . . . that might be nicer ?

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Re: Are you talking about his post that was quarantined?***


May 31, 2022, 4:31 PM [ in reply to Are you talking about his post that was quarantined? ]

Was it took down? Not surprised… it was shameful

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Yes...


May 31, 2022, 4:33 PM

It was placed in quarantine. That typically happens when a post/poster has broken the terms and conditions of the site, including being offensive.




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"I've played multiple sports and would bet any amount that I'm still more athletic than you at this present time...."


taken***


May 31, 2022, 4:34 PM [ in reply to Re: Are you talking about his post that was quarantined?*** ]



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Yeah - the one where he said Lady Softballer's were


May 31, 2022, 4:33 PM [ in reply to Are you talking about his post that was quarantined? ]

amazons and "big" . . . . that one.

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Re: I'm LOLing so hard here.


May 31, 2022, 4:31 PM [ in reply to Re: I'm LOLing so hard here. ]



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Just curious...what are the disadvantages?


May 31, 2022, 4:24 PM

Brownell has some accomplishments (sweet 16, beating UNC @ Chapel Hill), but most importantly seems to run a clean program. He's kept us in the middle of the ACC which is probably a little higher than we've been historically.

I believe it is time for a fresh face, new blood; to me Clemson BB has become stale. I believe Neff has pretty much laid it out for Brad. If we don't make the tournament this year I believe Brad will be let go.

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Re: Just curious...what are the disadvantages?


May 31, 2022, 4:29 PM

I agree. But l think he should have been let go. Even if next year is acceptable, a robin doth not make a spring in the CBB 13 yr history. So it would just be prolonging the inevitable.

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Class of ‘71. Went through “rat season” and glad I did.


Well, the main disadvantages are


May 31, 2022, 4:35 PM [ in reply to Just curious...what are the disadvantages? ]

1. We have what many consider to be the worst men's basketball history in the ACC.
2. We spend less that most ACC programs on men's basketball.
3. We wait too long to upgrade facilities, and when we do upgrade them, we cut corners.
4. We have inconsistent fan support for men's basketball.

The most serious one, in my opinion, is #2. We need to spend more on our program, which allows us to hire high quality assistant coaches and then keep them when other teams try to hire them. That's been a big issue, which Neff is addressing.

We have good (but not great) facilities now, which is nice, but we have to maintain them.

Our poor program history is going to be used against us, so we have to make sure we overcome it in other areas such as having great facilities and spending more on the program.

NIL is obviously going to become more and more of a factor, so hopefully we won't fall behind in that. Doing NIL really well can help overcome some of the aforementioned issues.

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Re: Well, the main disadvantages are


May 31, 2022, 5:03 PM

5. We're not paying Brad a $3M buyout due to the contract extension he was given two months before Radakovich left Clemson. (Lee's buyout was $500K.) It doesn't mean he's off the hot seat. I'm sure there will be higher expectations for next season.

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Re: Well, the main disadvantages are


May 31, 2022, 5:13 PM

Maybe the Rad needs a lawsuit for that, if that is what he did.

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LOL So Hard


May 31, 2022, 5:35 PM [ in reply to Well, the main disadvantages are ]

1. We have what many consider the worst men's basketball coach in the ACC.
2. We spend an obscene amount on a head coach's salary yet are consistently middling.
3. We wait too long to cut bait from an underperforming coach, yet we put ourselves there due to poorly structured buyouts meeting bad timing.
4. Our fan support is at its lowest level in decades due to allowing an overmatched coach to stick around too long and suck what energy and life we had for our basketball program down even further.

The most serious one, IMO, is #2. We need to invest more into the program and less into such an underperforming coach. He is using up way too many valuable resources that could best be applied elsewhere.

We just spent $65 Million five years ago on facility renovations that our Head Coach helped put together. They are good, not great.

Brad's lackluster coaching history and lack of NBA level player development over his twelve years here is being used against him, so we have to make sure that we overcome that in every other area imaginable except, you know, the head coach spot.

NIL presents Brad an opportunity to finally buy some decent players since he struggles so much in getting people to want to come here and play under him under normal circumstances. Hopefully Brad is out there now working up his many deep pocketed donor admirers. Considering how personable and outgoing he has been as coach with the student body and fan base over his decade plus tenure here, this should be a piece of cake.

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Re: I'm LOLing so hard here.


May 31, 2022, 4:28 PM

Your sugar daddy is next blood boy.

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Re: I'm LOLing so hard here.


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Well, on a very basic level


May 31, 2022, 4:41 PM

we finish higher in the ACC than our program expenditures would suggest.

That, to me, is the mark of a good coach. He overachieves relative to the investment made by the administration.

There are numerous examples of players at all positions who have improved considerably while at Clemson. So the skill development is there.

Our players play really hard and never quit. He gets a lot of effort out of his players. They also represent our program well, behaving themselves and setting records for GPA and graduation rate.

Our issue isn't good coaching or development, it's getting more talented players to start with. Getting better players happens when we have better assistant coaches to help recruit, and better facilities to recruit to. Neff is already addressing both of these issues.

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Tell me more about this "turnstyle of portal players"


May 31, 2022, 4:54 PM

we have had.

What is that belief based on?

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Re: Tell me more about this "turnstyle of portal players"


May 31, 2022, 6:20 PM

Nick honor transferred to us, played 2 season, lost his job halfway through this season, and transferred to missouri.

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If we want to use level of investment as a qualifier, I'd be


May 31, 2022, 4:52 PM [ in reply to Well, on a very basic level ]

curious to see how he fares in regards to where his salary ranks in the NCAA compared to his teams overall performance.

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Re: I'm LOLing so hard here.


May 31, 2022, 4:42 PM [ in reply to Re: I'm LOLing so hard here. ]

Brownell is not winning at Duke imo. Runs a clean program and represents the university very well, but he is average which is what we have been in basketball for as long as I have followed basketball. Reasons behind it, maybe but there is a reason Clemson basketball has grown stale with the fans. Low expectations have become the norm. Just like to be in the top 3-4 in the conference more than once in a 10 year span.

Basketball looking good for next year?

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If your point is that basketball expectations are much lower


May 31, 2022, 4:35 PM

You are right

But no one on earth with half a brain would argue Brownell is a better coach than Monte Lee.

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I bet plenty of people would argue that Brad is


May 31, 2022, 4:56 PM

a better coach than Monte Lee.

I don't agree that expectations for basketball are lower than for baseball. If you asked Neff if he would rather have a super successful basketball program or a super successful baseball program, guess what he would pick? Hint: he wouldn't pick baseball.

Thankfully, Neff understands that Clemson basketball has a lot more to overcome to be successful than Clemson baseball, and views the two situations differently.

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There are some, not sure what qualifies as plenty, but my


Jun 1, 2022, 8:29 AM

tnet poll shows(so far) that most think Monte is the better coach. HTH

https://www.tigernet.com/forums/thread.jspa?threadID=2155529

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I'll just do my best AD impression here


May 31, 2022, 4:35 PM

ML was on the hot-seat last year and the "feelers" went out from Clemson to interested baseball coaches and there were several interests.

BB was on the hot-seat at the same time and there was no one interested in coaching basketball at Clemson.

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May 31, 2022, 4:43 PM

The ol’ BB is better than nothing .. ok, makes sense now.

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Re: I'm LOLing so hard here.


May 31, 2022, 4:37 PM

If you think this is a vote of confidence for Brad, you are a fool. This is Neff warming himself up for replacing Brad in 2 years time.

I think you are right about one thing though, replacing Brad now is putting the cart before the horse. Basketball is the lowest hanging fruit in our athletics program and certainly not the first project Neff wants to take on. But after a year or two under his belt, the realization of the amount of money we are leaving on the court by not spending more on basketball will be like a sirens call that Neff won’t be able to avoid.

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I don't think it has anything to do with basketball


May 31, 2022, 4:59 PM

because I realize that Neff is mature enough and smart enough to know that the two situations are very different.

It just made me laugh that Neff firing Lee brought up so many raw emotions in some people here, and their butthurt about Neff not firing Brownell.

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Re: I'm LOLing so hard here.


May 31, 2022, 4:40 PM

I'm surprised with the firing but pleased that making the playoffs is a standard that must be met.

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In fairness, retaining CBB wasn't up to Neff...


May 31, 2022, 4:59 PM

He was basically informed that CBB would be retained.

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May 31, 2022, 4:59 PM

Into the Lunatic Fringe Clubhouse. LOL

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Not sure if you heard yet or not...


May 31, 2022, 5:00 PM

Monte Lee was fired today.

:(

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May 31, 2022, 5:10 PM

Alex, I’d like to solved the puzzle……..Who is Andre the Giant?

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No, I mean...Who IS Andre the Giant? Who is that guy?


May 31, 2022, 5:31 PM

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Re: No, I mean...Who IS Andre the Giant? Who is that guy?


May 31, 2022, 10:22 PM

Would someone please select the,
“Let it snow” category?

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Re: I'm LOLing so hard here.


May 31, 2022, 5:17 PM

I’m not upset that Lee was fired. I’m upset that Brownell was not. What was the conversation like? “We’ll Monte, we suck more now than we use too, so you’re fired” as opposed to “Well Brad, since we suck the same here’s an extension.”

Seriously, how do you not hold every coach to the same standards?

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Re: I'm LOLing so hard here.


May 31, 2022, 5:17 PM

I’m not upset that Lee was fired. I’m upset that Brownell was not. What was the conversation like? “We’ll Monte, we suck more now than we use too, so you’re fired” as opposed to “Well Brad, since we suck the same here’s an extension.”

Seriously, how do you not hold every coach to the same standards?

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Not cool man...


May 31, 2022, 5:23 PM

Judge, I usually can agree with parts of your posts, but this post is completely uncalled for. You are just trying to stir something up. There's no need for this type of thing.

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Nothing at all new from him...He does this constantly


May 31, 2022, 11:55 PM

And his weird man crush with Brad is really unusual. He is no fan of Clemson.

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Re: I'm LOLing so hard here.


May 31, 2022, 5:25 PM

A typical tone deaf, trolly post from our resident idiot.

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Re: I'm LOLing so hard here.


May 31, 2022, 5:33 PM

Please stop with the logic as many of our fellow fans can’t handle the truth

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jk be like


May 31, 2022, 5:37 PM



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Re: I'm LOLing so hard here.


May 31, 2022, 5:54 PM

What you going to say when he’s fired next year?

Fact if Baseball is higher than basketball when it comes to expectations. Thats really the only reason Brad hasn’t been fired at this point.

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Re: I'm LOLing so hard here.


May 31, 2022, 6:25 PM

Why would he be fired after reaching the tournament?

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The fact is that we’ve had more success in baseball than in basketball


May 31, 2022, 10:37 PM [ in reply to Re: I'm LOLing so hard here. ]

throughout our history, because baseball is a cheap sport and it’s popular in rural areas, while basketball requires more money and isn’t as popular in rural areas.

Clemson put all of its eggs in the football basket years ago, and decided that success in other sports would have to come with minimal investment.

Baseball saw success here because it’s typically easier to have success in smaller sports that don’t require as much money. Basketball has been much harder for us and our disadvantages, namely that we didn’t care enough to put sizable funds into it on a consistent basis.

If Brad has a good year next year, he won’t be fired.

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Re: I'm LOLing so hard here.


May 31, 2022, 6:26 PM

I’m LOLing At your post so hard, if Brad Brownell was a good coach, we would all love him, and I’m certain he would have other job offers. The fact is most Clemson fans want him gone, and he’s had no job offers, And he was Clemson’s fifth choice anyway. That’s reality

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Re: I'm LOLing so hard here.


May 31, 2022, 7:42 PM

Human Piece of #### Alert.

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Re: I'm LOLing so hard here.


May 31, 2022, 10:16 PM

If Brad is such a great coach according to you - as I posted in another thread - in the past 47 years and 7 coaches - why does he have a below average winning percentage and the only coach he has a better average than - is Larry Shyatt?

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Re: I'm LOLing so hard here.


May 31, 2022, 10:19 PM

Actually Brad sucks and should be long gone but whatever makes you happy.

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Re: I'm LOLing so hard here.


May 31, 2022, 10:39 PM

wait, I thought brad was the one that got fired. I do not even check the front page anymore, I just come straight here.

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But by the same token, judge, the clemson BOT did not give..


May 31, 2022, 11:20 PM

monte or clemson baseball any favors when they curtailed funding for out of state baseball scholarships a couple of years ago, either. Recruiting has really taken a hit since then. ... just saying

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So firing Monte makes Brad better?


May 31, 2022, 11:50 PM

Seems like you’re reaching here, Judge. But I don’t TD much, so I guess you need a few more Marches at home watching the 68 best teams in college hoops go at it to help you see that the tournament is the objective.

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Now many times is a thread allowed to be bumped?


Jun 1, 2022, 1:02 PM

TIA

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