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CU Medallion [60023]
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BACKGROUND CHECKS!
Jul 6, 2022, 7:11 AM
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Um, we already have background checks. However, Highkand Park shooting illustrates how terrible the current NICS system is and how incapable our government is of producing hardly anything that works correctly.
But let’s keep throwing money into the hole. That’s the answer.
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Communicating threats is breaking the law
Jul 6, 2022, 7:21 AM
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Anyone that is found guilty of communicating threats should not be allowed to own or buy a gun for a certain time period, maybe 10 years like expunging non violent felonies. After 10 years, prove your worthiness and show how you are no longer a threat.
Background checks for everyone similar to what is required for a concealed carry permit
I get "shall not be infringed", but those rights are infringed in many many cases.
That said, I will never give up my guns that I have to protect my family. I also can pass any background check and have and never will communicate threats.
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Re: Communicating threats is breaking the law
Jul 6, 2022, 7:55 AM
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The problem with this whole idea is what happens when three people that hate me, for whatever unjustified reason, stand up and say I made threats to kill people (not true) and I have lots of guns (which is true)? I have zero history of anything except being a husband, father, and all around great guy. But, the next thing I know I am playing Brett Kavanaugh, defending my character to no avail.
What happens to me then? The answer is a lot of unjustified chit happens to me. And, how can we possibly trust any democrat in any official capacity to make a rationale and logical judgment? There will be plenty of dumbarse democrats in "the system" working these types of jobs.
Look at the DAs Soros has paid for.
Without honest people highly outnumbering dishonest and stupid people, anything like this states or the feds implement can go very wrong.
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Re: Communicating threats is breaking the law
Jul 6, 2022, 8:17 AM
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i believe the local sheriff/office would have the most power to investigate/determine what is a threat
but parents/siblings/teachers/friends with direct knowledge must be willing to come forward when there is an actual threat
i would most likely pay more in taxes for an impartial threat assessment team, county level, maybe someone the community approves, maybe even volunteers, not a bureaucrat/intern
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You should check out
Jul 6, 2022, 12:09 PM
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Web of Make Believe on Netflix
First episode is about SWATting
It covers exactly what you are talking about in the first part about false claims
It's pretty wild
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Re: BACKGROUND CHECKS!
Jul 6, 2022, 8:12 AM
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I know, right? You cruise right down the middle of the road on a parade float unarmed, you deserve whatever you get.
The right answer is .50-caliber MG's on the floats, of course.
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Re: BACKGROUND CHECKS!
Jul 6, 2022, 8:20 AM
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Ma Deuce
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Re: BACKGROUND CHECKS!
Jul 6, 2022, 9:45 AM
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do they sell that for a late model Mazda cx7, it would make my commute go a lot smoother..
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But how do you measure how many lives
Jul 6, 2022, 9:48 AM
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background checks have saved?
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Splitting hairs maybe, but is it the system or the laws?...
Jul 6, 2022, 10:01 AM
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I'm a bit behind on this story, but from what I've read, the suspect doesn't have any convictions that would prevent him from buying a firearm. If that's correct, how did the background check system fail?
Just about any background check system only shows convictions. Unfortunately, I see this all of the time on normal criminal background checks. We run a background check on every person we hire. However, we run into people being taken in on open warrants somewhat frequently. Warrants don't show on a background check...only convictions...and really only convictions from certain states that share their data.
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This article lays out some of the issues with Crimo's
Jul 6, 2022, 10:18 AM
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background. This azzhat was on the local Police radar back in 2019 as they had complaints of him making threats against his family and himself. The family refused to move forward on the complaints and the Police could do nothing further. Three months later, the little shit's Dad sponsored his son's ability to get a gun under Illinois law - freaking nuts. Looks to me the parents covered for this kid and in my minds eye have some culpability in this whole thing. They knew he was mentally unstable and did nothing...
https://1010wcsi.com/fox-news/police-flagged-highland-park-shooter-clear-and-present-danger-in-2019-he-later-cleared-4-background-checks/
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Agree on the parents....
Jul 6, 2022, 10:23 AM
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and this case, as do many others, gets back to potential red flag systems. I don't pretend it's an easy fix...it's complicated as hel1 and there are legit concerns about it being misused.
However, I'm personally at the point that we should try something...maybe with a subset provision to ensure that the system gets scrutinized for misuse before it auto renews.
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This is the achilles heel of red flag laws.
Jul 6, 2022, 10:54 AM
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Doesn't matter if you have them if they don't get used. At least with the way most ERPOs are crafted, the police would have been enabled to confiscate the weapons without the family. One reason I'm in favor of them (in theory, not often how they're actually written).
In general, I do not like punishing parents for the actions of their kids. But here, I don't know if there is a criminal action that can be taken, but civil suits should forever keep the dad/family in poverty -- and that is letting them off light.
I have guns. I am very pro-2A. But if my kid showed signs of being troubled, they would either be a) out of the house, or b) locked away with no doubt he would never have access. Parents really need to step up. I blame Sandyhook mostly on the mom. That dumb bish never should have kept guns in the house with her disturbed son. As far as I'm concerned, she sealed her own fate.
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Re: Splitting hairs maybe, but is it the system or the laws?...
Jul 6, 2022, 10:39 AM
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He threatened to kill people and also he threatened to kill himself, so it might have helped if he were on a no buy list for a long time.
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Sure and I agree...but that needs to be codified....
Jul 6, 2022, 11:16 AM
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by the legislature, right?
The OP was saying pouring more into the current system was a waste because the current system doesn't work...and I'm assuming he means the database back system.
I'm questioning is it the "system" not working or that the law isn't written where the system could catch and include the kind of issues you mention here?
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Re: Sure and I agree...but that needs to be codified....
Jul 6, 2022, 11:31 AM
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Yeah it seems like the minority of people dont want to budge on being tough on people like that. I have this buddy who, according to him, wqs all drunk and he got in a fight with his wife and had his 3 rd domestic abuse with her over the years. The judge ordered all of his guns taken away. I know this guy wouldnt shoot her, but I agree with the judge. I think we need to be really strict. You mess up and threaten someone, you dont get a gun for a couplle of years.
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At some point all solutions come down…
Jul 6, 2022, 10:30 AM
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to an administrative process and an impartial entity (judge, jury of peers, arbitrator) to determine outcome. Both the process and impartial entity will be subject to politics, power and money. It’s the inherent nature of civilization and government. Some will always find an pathway to distrust.
In a democratic process, theoretically the majority should determine the process and entity that will determine outcome _ subject of course to the influence of politics, power and money. There’s a common thread regardless of how the issue is approached.
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