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Did anyone watch a show called "The Newsroom"
Dec 13, 2021, 11:57 AM
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on HBO when it was out. It's a pretty good show. The main character is a supposed Republican during the Obama administration. He (understandably from his view) hates what the Tea Party was doing to his party. One interesting thing is that the show centers around very real news events, and has the fictional cable news channel cover them. The main point (at least through one season) is that they want to be "different" and raise the level of debate in the news. So far it's all him just trashing the Tea Party, which I suppose is fine, but he doesn't spend any time saying anything negative about Democrats, particularly the Obama administration. I just thought that was interesting for a Republican anchor.
He definitely is NOT trying to be "just news" without commentary, which is what I thought was going to be their goal at first. I'd watch something like that. Instead, it's definitely commentary, and often combative, just supposedly grounded in "facts".
Anyways, the show's pretty good.
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I somehow left out that the main character is the anchor
Dec 13, 2021, 11:58 AM
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of the fictional cable news channel's flagship evening news program. LOL, that would have been helpful context.
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Re: Did anyone watch a show called "The Newsroom"
Dec 13, 2021, 12:01 PM
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Cool, I’ll check it out. It’s really hard to find a news show (real or fictional) that bashes those idiots that want lower taxes and more liberty.
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Obviously, given that the main character is the protagonist
Dec 13, 2021, 12:03 PM
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That is not how they are framing the Tea Party, lol. They are portraying them as totally divorced from fact/reality, and some of it is fair. It's very one-sided, though.
It's interesting how much what they are talking about in the show, with the Tea Party, definitely seemed like a precursor to where we ended up with President Trump. I think the show was made too long ago (2012-2014) for President Trump to be referenced. But I've only watched the first season.
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Re: Obviously, given that the main character is the protagonist
Dec 13, 2021, 12:06 PM
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Yea, unfortunately any movement these days is taken over by nut jobs. I’ll check it out though, if it’s good entertainment and done well, I don’t care how it leans.
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Yeah, I think it's written and performed well.
Dec 13, 2021, 12:07 PM
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It's Aaron Sorkin (The West Wing, A Few Good Men). There are a lot of similarities to The West Wing in how the show is designed. That's what made me try it. It's not as good as West Wing, of course, considering that's one of the greatest shows of all time.
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I wasn't following politics much when the Tea Party
Dec 13, 2021, 12:06 PM
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came up and became a big deal. So it's probably not fair that I'm learning about them through this show, given that the show's writer (Aaron Sorkin) obviously doesn't like them.
But the main thing I noticed is how similar a lot of the rhetoric is to President Trump's, whose language I did follow, of course.
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Dbl post
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Re: Did anyone watch a show called "The Newsroom"
Dec 13, 2021, 12:03 PM
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I watched it. It's remarkably astute.
Jeff Bridges was awesome. That meltdown at the beginning of the show was epic.
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Jeff Daniels***
Dec 14, 2021, 8:38 AM
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I’ve never watched it but I know it from that one seen that every
Dec 13, 2021, 12:25 PM
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Liberal high-fives over with glee where Jeff Bridges rants about how awful America actually is. One of the most ridiculously obvious scenes I’ve ever seen. I think the conservative answers “why is America great?” With a smug “Freedom…and Freedom.” It cracks me up how much some people loved that scene.
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Yeah, that was the very first scene of the first episode.
Dec 13, 2021, 12:33 PM
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He's positioned in between the "liberal" and the "conservative", both literally and ideologically.
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I'm not sure the message from Sorkin and the writers
Dec 13, 2021, 12:37 PM
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is so much "America is the worst!", as it is pointing out the sort of blind, unchecked, and indisputable "America is the best!" that much of the red base proffers. Most people who make such claims (anecdotally) have never traveled outside of the US, and don't know much more about other parts of the world than what FOX tells them.
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I think it's a dumb thing to debate/think about.
Dec 13, 2021, 1:11 PM
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It's not a competition. "Greatest country in the world" means nothing to me, unless I'm like shopping for a country to live in or something.
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Right, and that's why most intelligent people don't
Dec 13, 2021, 1:17 PM
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make those kinds of claims.
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Re: Funny; thats exactly what Miura is saying below.
Dec 13, 2021, 1:40 PM
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True, but we were also the greatest country in the galaxy 11 months ago.
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You ever watch the West Wing? It's better.
Dec 13, 2021, 4:10 PM
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and also by Aaron Sorkin.
As for The Newsroom, this scene that went viral a few years ago kept me from watching it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypsQO3dFiB8
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The West Wing is one of the best produced...
Dec 13, 2021, 4:12 PM
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shows in all of TV IMO.
I watch the whole series through about once a year.
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Yes, I've become quite the WW fanboy in the last
Dec 14, 2021, 7:55 AM
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year or so. It's the exclusive reason I am also watching Newsroom, and Sports Night. (Who remembers that one?)
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Sports Night is awesome...will never understand why it was..
Dec 14, 2021, 7:57 AM
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cancelled after 2 seasons.
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Maybe too smart for a sitcom to build an audience.
Dec 14, 2021, 8:33 AM
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Wiki says ABC cancelled it, but Sorkin could have taken it somewhere else, like premium cable, but he decided to just focus on The West Wing, which was getting off the ground. Good decision.
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Like, I can list the best episodes, by title.
Dec 14, 2021, 8:13 AM
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When I geek out, I really go for it, as I've demonstrated on many topics over the years.
("Two Cathedrals", "In Excelsis Deo," "Noel," "In the Shadow of Two Gunmen," "Proportional Response," "20 Hours in America", "17 People", "Posse Comitatus", HTH)
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Completely with you on WW. A great show.
Dec 14, 2021, 8:26 AM
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Every episode I would think “man, I hope people in power really talk like this.” With a sense of seriousness, honest debate, gravity, dignity.
But of course, we know better.
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It's idealistic, bordering on complete fantasy sometimes.
Dec 14, 2021, 8:31 AM
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It's aspirational, and often inspirational.
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Galileo is a good example of inspirational....
Dec 14, 2021, 8:46 AM
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but I think the writers did a decent job of bringing things back to reality most of the time.
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So powerful, and so early...Episode 3, I believe.***
Dec 14, 2021, 10:22 AM
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Ah yes, more moral lecturing from "respectable" conservative
Dec 13, 2021, 6:02 PM
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personalities. I know this one is fictional, but there are many real ones and they are all either worthless or evil, because all they are is communists minus 5 years. In other words, they never fight the commies and a few years after each incremental win by the commies they adopt the very same positions. I don't think these people are accidental idiots, I think they are controlled opposition.
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Re: Ah yes, more moral lecturing from "respectable" conservative
Dec 14, 2021, 7:51 AM
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Well, you thought John McCain was a Communist and he fought the (actual) Communists in Vietnam, even spent years in a POW camp after getting shot down. And then your populist orange-haired hero - who literally said people who died in combat were "suckers" who'd gotten played, because in his book, evading service was what smart guys do - came along and said McCain wasn't a hero, because real heroes, after all, are like Rambo and single-handedly fight their way out of war zones with a Bowie knife and don't get captured.
Also, last I checked, you were calling Mitch $%$#ing McConnell a "Communist". You actually were. Broski, when Mitch McConnell looks like a Communist to you, you're so far to the extreme right even Adolf Hitler is sitting there wondering what your deal is.
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McCain was a neoconservative, which has its roots
Dec 14, 2021, 8:50 AM
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in communism.
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It is clear that you have NO idea what either of those....
Dec 14, 2021, 8:57 AM
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terms mean.
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I know what they actually mean because I've actually
Dec 14, 2021, 8:59 AM
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looked into it. There are many books on the subject, both for and against. Bill Kristol (sic) wrote several, but the best is called "Neoconservativism: an obituary for an idea". I suggest you check it out.
Or you could just believe whatever you see on CNN. That's easier.
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Re: Interestingly, though he repeatedly calls himself
Dec 14, 2021, 8:34 AM
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Well, up until Trump, I described myself as a "Republican."
Now I'm assuredly indie. I dunno how conservative I am though. Socially I'm pretty liberal, I'll admit it. Live and let live. Everybody do their own thing, up until the moment you get in somebody else's face. Just don't ask me to remember the eighteen-and-growing flavors of sexuality and address you with the proper pronoun, I'm not up for it...and that kind of boutique social trendiness annoys me anyhow.
Fiscally, though, I'm very conservative. Or just really cheap. Maybe the same thing? I dunno. But I'm really leery of the "law of unintended consequences", I think the free market should sort most things out, and that social spending programs usually create more negative consequences than the issues they were intended to solve.
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