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Kim Potter guilty on all counts
Dec 23, 2021, 2:53 PM
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I wonder if there was one holdout on the jury they finally got to cave...
Too bad for a fine police officer and mother. Hope she doesn't get tons of jail time.
Boy, no problem finding this story plastered all over MSM 10 seconds after it happened vice the news on the guilty Havaahd prof taking bags of cash from the Chinese that either did not show up or was relegated to page 6 a day later.
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Re: Kim Potter guilty on all counts
Dec 23, 2021, 3:09 PM
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Re: Kim Potter guilty on all counts
Dec 23, 2021, 3:12 PM
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i am going to say 5 years
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Re: Kim Potter guilty on all counts
Dec 23, 2021, 3:55 PM
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Re: Kim Potter guilty on all counts
Dec 23, 2021, 3:56 PM
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Re: Kim Potter guilty on all counts
Dec 23, 2021, 3:59 PM
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"consciously takes chances of causing death or great bodily harm to another"
i would say waving a loaded pistol around and firing into the car would fit here
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Re: Kim Potter guilty on all counts
Dec 23, 2021, 4:18 PM
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Re: Kim Potter guilty on all counts
Dec 23, 2021, 4:56 PM
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i dont think the jury believed her
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Re: Kim Potter guilty on all counts
Dec 23, 2021, 4:59 PM
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Re: Kim Potter guilty on all counts
Dec 23, 2021, 3:10 PM
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i think that you can fire to stop the escape of a known felon
but i dont think he was a felon
she fired into the car and killed someone, manslaughter seems to fit
same for alec baldwin
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funny you guys all gang up on Baldwin
Dec 23, 2021, 6:22 PM
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I wonder why?
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Re: funny you guys all gang up on Baldwin
Dec 23, 2021, 6:29 PM
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Everything they like or don't like is based on what their cult leader likes or who doesn't like their cult leader. Their cult leader likes Putin, they think Putin is just fine. Their cult leader doesn't like a little girl named Greta, she becomes the enemy.
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these guys have been worshipping him non stop
Dec 23, 2021, 6:57 PM
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ever since the story broke that Trump had a tiny mushroom ####.
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Re: funny you guys all gang up on Baldwin
Dec 23, 2021, 9:06 PM
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Duh, "don't put that evil on us."
Nah, you people are the ones that do this. We have no cult leader...
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Re: funny you guys all gang up on Baldwin
Dec 23, 2021, 9:37 PM
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You actually do. You're just not smart enough to realize who you are and what you are doing.
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Re: funny you guys all gang up on Baldwin
Dec 24, 2021, 8:11 AM
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I will say, though, Baldwin's story seems...odd, on the face of it, including the part where he says he never pulled the trigger himself, the gun just up and decided to go off on its own. I listened to a couple of firearms experts all going: "Pfft, whatever" on his story.
I definitely think it was an accident on his part; some of those inconsistencies may come back to haunt him, though.
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just like the cop, he killed someone and is just as guilty
Dec 24, 2021, 9:38 AM
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they made a mistake and someone lost their life. Both were negligent, neither intended to kill the other person.
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Re: just like the cop, he killed someone and is just as guilty
Dec 24, 2021, 7:37 PM
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There are major differences, but politics can blind you.
Baldwin's case is akin to you handing a child a loaded gun, telling him it's a toy, and then him shooting someone. Actors who are more familiar with guns have said they always inspect the gun themselves.
Kim's case is akin to you carrying around that same loaded gun with full knowledge of the danger, using it to point out something to the kid, and accidentally shooting him.
She was a good officer, but she was supposedly highly trained and experienced and should have never mistaken a taser for a pistol. If she was young and inexperienced, she might have gotten off.
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He says he was cocking the revolver
Dec 24, 2021, 7:24 PM
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but didn't pull the hammer back far enough and then released it. So the gun fired. They do that.
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Re: Kim Potter guilty on all counts
Dec 24, 2021, 8:07 PM
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You can't shoot someone running away except to protect others from immediate harm. It's partly to protect bystanders from an overzealous cop, based on a long history of unfortunate incidents. This changed with a scotus ruling in the early 90s if I recall correctly. It was the end of "stop or I'll shoot"
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Re: Kim Potter guilty on all counts
Dec 23, 2021, 3:12 PM
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I am glad she was convicted of something, yet I still feel bad for her. It was all over some POS. That said, for the bigger picture, the cops need to know they aren't above the law. I do hope she gets a light sentence though. 5 years would be fine. What is she facing?
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Re: Kim Potter guilty on all counts
Dec 23, 2021, 3:34 PM
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Re: Kim Potter guilty on all counts
Dec 23, 2021, 5:52 PM
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Yeah I would hope she would get a suspended sentence with no jail time..
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Re: Kim Potter guilty on all counts
Dec 23, 2021, 3:31 PM
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furthermore, if a police officer does not possess the physical attributes to subdue an unarmed suspect, then that officer needs to withdraw from the situation
maybe even off the street
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Re: Kim Potter guilty on all counts
Dec 23, 2021, 3:32 PM
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did diversity get this man killed?
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Re: Kim Potter guilty on all counts
Dec 23, 2021, 9:08 PM
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Good question - maybe.
Same question as will your doctor kill you because of diversity. I'd say it's highly likely many people will die because woke med school stopped considering MCAT scores. Already happening to the most woke for ACT/SAT scores.
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Better question - do doctors go to jail when they make an
Dec 24, 2021, 12:36 AM
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honest mistake and someone dies as a result?
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Re: Better question - do doctors go to jail when they make an
Dec 24, 2021, 12:38 AM
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Weak comparison. You can't be that stupid.
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Why is that a weak comparison?
Dec 24, 2021, 10:35 AM
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It is the same thing in many respects.
You have a person whose work puts them in situations where if they make a mistake it can cost a life. Plenty of doctors kill people, but you never know it because they don't video operations and submit them to the internet to be judged. The reason they do not video the huge majority of procedures is so they can't be held accountable.
Instead of killing a patient, the doctor may cut a nerve and leave the patient paralyzed. Why is cutting a nerve by mistake okay to you? Are you okay with this mistake if it's your son, daughter, or wife? Or yourself?
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She wasn’t the one trying to subdue him
Dec 23, 2021, 9:20 PM
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originally. The soon-to-be-dead guy wrestled free from a male officer and got into the car. That’s when she attempted to stop him by tasering - I mean, shooting - him.
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Re: She wasn’t the one trying to subdue him
Dec 23, 2021, 9:28 PM
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he got out of the way when she started waving her gun around, didnt want to take one in the kidney
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I don't think it's right. No intent, no malice, she was not
Dec 23, 2021, 8:19 PM
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careless, negligent, or reckless. She made a terrible, tragic mistake under extreme pressure. She is not a threat to society; incarcerating her protects no one. This verdict sends two messages: First, make dang sure you draw your taser and not your gun. That's a good message, but I don't know how effective that will be in similar chaotic, dangerous, extreme situations like this, as she already thought she had her taser. It won't prevent other police officers from making similar mistakes, because humans simply don't think things through in a calm, reflective manner when #### is going down, and it's absurd to expect them to. The second message this sends is, as a police officer, you can put your life on the line for relatively low pay for years, then make one honest mistake, and go to jail for it. I don't care what the law says in this case; if there is a law that says she belongs in jail, I think it's a bad law. All of this is just my opinion, of course. Everyone is entitled to their own.
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Yessir - if a loser decides to resist arrest, cops
Dec 23, 2021, 9:29 PM
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will just back off, throw up their hands, and let him go.
That will make things much safer. For criminals I mean - the rest of us will have emboldened criminals to deal with.
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Re: I don't think it's right. No intent, no malice, she was not
Dec 24, 2021, 9:07 AM
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I didn't follow this case like some of the others, but I doubt she would have been found guilty in most other states or counties.
The verdict was possibly influenced by the George Floyd case and perhaps even the Rittenhouse case in WI.
A cop and a white cop was not in a good place to face trial in Minneapolis.
Again, I don't have many of the facts, but it would seem based on this verdict, that a cop can't make a lethal mistake. These aren't the best analogies but should the drone operators that took out all those kids in Afghanistan pay with jail time? Should a hunter who blows his friend's head off accidentally in a duck blind do jail time?
From the video of the shooting and the cop's immediate response after the shooting, I don't think one can conclude anything but that this was a terrible mistake. No doubt, she deserves a substantial civil penalty along with the local police force and city. The family needs some form of compensation even though that doesn't bring this man back.
Sending this cop to jail would seem to me a means of extracting a pound of flesh. The civil suits will be coming too as they should.
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Re: I don't think it's right. No intent, no malice, she was not
Dec 24, 2021, 10:03 AM
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how do you know it was an accident?
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Re: I don't think it's right. No intent, no malice, she was not
Dec 24, 2021, 10:37 AM
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Every analyst I have seen is saying everyone agrees, even the prosecution, it was an accident.
Are you BHam, asking for pwoof it was an accident? Yawn. That's as dumb as suggesting the tornado in Kentucky is a direct result of climate change.
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Re: I don't think it's right. No intent, no malice, she was not
Dec 24, 2021, 10:48 AM
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IF it was an accident, then guilty of manslaughter is the correct charge, yes?
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Every accidental death results in criminal charges?***
Dec 24, 2021, 12:00 PM
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Re: Every accidental death results in criminal charges?***
Dec 24, 2021, 12:25 PM
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i would think so, if you detain a free person at gun point, then shoot them, yes
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Okay, so no.
Dec 24, 2021, 2:59 PM
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Every accidental death does not result in criminal charges, which was the question. You can't imagine situations where a person is detained, gets shot, and the officer is not charged? I can imagine plenty scenarios in which there would be no negligence or recklessness by the officer, which would typically be required for manslaughter.
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Re: Okay, so no.
Dec 24, 2021, 4:41 PM
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how can you say that she was not careless, negligent, or reckless
did you watch the video?
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I did. Do you belive a person can make an honest mistake
Dec 24, 2021, 6:18 PM
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without being negligent or reckless? Trying to tase Wright was a reasonable act, in this situation, under these circumstances. Under these extreme, dangerous circumstances where everything is happening in a flash of chaos, mistaking her gun for her taser was perfectly understandable. Under more normal circumstances, if she'd had more time to go through protocol, rely on her training and calmly, properly remove her taser, but chose not to for some reason, and instead drew and fired her gun, THAT would be neglect. Or if there were some indication that she had no regard for the consequenses of her actions, then I could agree that she was reckless, but I don't see that either. But, that's not the way it went down. No neglect, no recklessness, just a terrible, tragic mistake. Fire her, retrain her, sue her ... but 15 years in jail for a mistake than any of us could make? How is justice served, to what end? What message is sent?
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2nd degree... 1-3. 1st degree was nothing but political BS.
Dec 24, 2021, 3:02 AM
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Ellison will be running for Governor soon... wait and see.
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Reason number 6,596,241...
Dec 24, 2021, 1:35 PM
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not to be a cop.
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