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Does anyone else feel like
Sep 9, 2021, 2:37 PM
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that if there was no promotion of the vaccines, no government or employer mandates, no presidential speeches - basically no pressure - that MORE people would get the vaccine? I've talked to many people who agree that the more it's pushed and required and forced upon people, the more people wonder why, if it's so good and such, do you feel it necessary to basically bully people into getting it? Why is the gov't, of all people, so anxious for me to get it?
I'd think that if it was just our doctors and maybe a few PSAs here and there that more people would get the vaccinations rather than making these huge pushes, shoving it in people's faces, firing and/or shaming people who opt not to get it, and ultimately ticking people off and making people wonder what we're not being told for you to be pushing this hard!
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Before all of that, there were free donuts involved.
Sep 9, 2021, 2:41 PM
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Still didn't help.
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1000%
Sep 9, 2021, 2:44 PM
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Zero self awareness from the political/ media types. There has never been more distrust in our govt and media in our history.
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yea, thanks Donald.***
Sep 9, 2021, 3:09 PM
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I’m old enough to remember the Russia hoax as well.***
Sep 9, 2021, 3:36 PM
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Re: Does anyone else feel like
Sep 9, 2021, 2:51 PM
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Interesting question because it comes down to
"How do you encourage people to do something who will say no to something just because they're asked to."
There is always a subset of people who are just natural nay sayers, curmudgeons and afraid of change and different communication practices need to be used to influence them.
That being said, this is largely a small minority of people, so its more important to work on the broader more accepting population first, before we adjust our communications to this group.
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Re: Does anyone else feel like
Sep 9, 2021, 2:56 PM
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Are you suggesting there are a significant amount of people out there who want the shot but haven’t gotten it yet?
Also it doesn’t look like communication at this point to me- looks like threats and manipulation.
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Re: Does anyone else feel like
Sep 9, 2021, 3:09 PM
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Well, to your question, no i don't think there is a large population out there who WANT the vaccine but haven't gotten it. But i think there are two large groups still:
1) People who were on the fence about the vaccine but don't have an issue with getting it. They haven't because of approval, or job, or family circumstances.
2) People who are NOT getting the vaccine because the majority/government/libs/celebrities/etc are telling them to. i.e. the "don't tread of me crowd" who aren't anti-vaxx overall, but just are anti-vaxx with Covid because they feel (rightly or wrongly) that its being shoved down their throats.
And the way we communicate to that crowd 2 is wrong pure and simple. But crowd 1 is still more important to tackle. Once that group is drawn down we can shift messaging strategy for 2.
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Re: Does anyone else feel like
Sep 9, 2021, 3:31 PM
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And judging with the other responses from you- you’re totally cool with threats like losing jobs and the like.
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Re: Does anyone else feel like
Sep 9, 2021, 3:48 PM
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As a condition of employment? Nothing wrong with that.
Unfortunately is more an issue of liability than political agenda. Who wants to be sued for giving someone Covid and them potentially dying?
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Re: Does anyone else feel like
Sep 9, 2021, 4:25 PM
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I would agree if the govt, or company demanding the vax, or the pharma companies could also be held liable for adverse events- but that’s not the case.
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Re: Does anyone else feel like
Sep 9, 2021, 4:44 PM
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Had to come back to this-
There’s no way you could ever PROVE that you got covid from any one person. And furthermore- the vax doesn’t keep you from getting it- so why would it matter if you were vaxed or not? The whole sentiment here is completely illogical. That said- I have no doubt some lib lawyer will try.
Finally back to the OP... job loss-threats-lawsuits-manipulation- etc. They do nothing but push people even further from getting the jab.
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Companies do things all the time to try to affect behavior
Sep 9, 2021, 7:03 PM
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charge more for insurance if you smoke, give some $$ to help with your gym membership to assist you with getting healthy, provide money to assist in your education, etc. They do this to either reduce their costs (health insurance) or increase employee retention.
Gov't does things all the time also - tax credits if you invest in solar energy, deductions if you put money in a retirement plan, etc., etc., etc.
If you don't want to get the vaccine that is obviously your decision, but this decision has consequences, you may pay more for insurance or not get insurance or have to get tested a lot, or lose your job.
Make your decision and live with the consequences.
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Re: Companies do things all the time to try to affect
Sep 9, 2021, 7:28 PM
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Their bottom line. No more no less.
Gov advances agendas. What Biden said today is unprecedented.
AND you’re back to threats. This is the entire point of this thread.
If you want to convince me in particular- stop banning negative press on adverse events. Start releasing legit stats- By age with comorbidities AND it would also help if you took legal protections off the pharma companies.
I believe you are passionate because you honestly believe in the vax. I respect that Padre. I’m sorry I’m not convinced yet, but the vitriol is anything but persuasive.
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Hospitals have been releasing their daily COVID stats
Sep 10, 2021, 10:10 AM
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for weeks now. I've seen a lot of them on social media. They are usually nice looking graphics showing how many patients in a given hospital are admitted for COVID, and the percentage of those who are vaccinated and unvaccinated. These graphics also typically show the same data for vaccinated versus unvaccinated ICU patients and ventilated patients.
This should be helpful information for people, because this data makes it painfully obvious that vaccination makes a huge difference. Unfortunately, the segment of the population that is firmly against the vaccine probably won't care. They will say that the data is manipulated or convince themselves that they aren't at risk for ending up like the patients in the graphic.
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I think a lot of the unvax'd now
Sep 9, 2021, 3:06 PM
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didn't get the vax because they thought the virus was basically going away and was no longer a significant threat, but then comes the opening up of pretty much everything and all these different variants. Now there are many who didn't get the vax b/c they thought it was no longer that necessary or b/c they weren't in an at-risk group, but they're now realizing that maybe it IS necessary and these new variants significantly blur the lines between at-risk groups and the less-at-risk. But now they're even more wary because of the strong-arm tactics and manipulations being used to force, coerce or shame people into getting it. That's what I'm getting at. If people were just left to make their own decisions, then I think we'd see more people getting it, rather than all these power-brokers (non-medical people, basically) getting up in people's faces and saying that they must get it.
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Maybe I should clarify
Sep 9, 2021, 2:58 PM
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that it often seems that the non-medical community (celebrities, employers, large businesses, politicians - power brokers, essentially) are telling those who have questions, "Don't ask questions! Just get the damm shot!" Which then makes people wonder why they're not encouraged to ask questions and why they're scorned if they have reservations, however valid or not. Just kind of reminds me of the Borg from Star Trek - "you WILL be assimilated!"
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I guess the breakdown for me is why would "they" create a
Sep 9, 2021, 3:06 PM
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shot that's harmful if only the sheep would take it? Or is this 3d chess and they've been lacing the Tractor Supply meds with arsenic to take out the patriots? Or maybe 4D chess and they're counting on dissuading the reluctant enough through their endorsements to cull the population of wolves through COVID?
All I know is there's a lot of people filling their lungs with fluid to spite their face.
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No.
Sep 9, 2021, 3:39 PM
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I don't.
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Re: Does anyone else feel like
Sep 9, 2021, 7:43 PM
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The cow's out of the barn, but yes.
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Yes, I think so.***
Sep 10, 2021, 10:12 AM
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