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Heres why Trumps lying matters.
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Heres why Trumps lying matters.


Jul 28, 2020, 8:28 PM

The Coronavirus is running away. We went from 3 million cases to 4 million cases in 15 days. Deaths are, predictably rising. At it's current rate, 1 American dies every 90 seconds from Covid-19.

In comparison, it's like having 4 737's crash every day and kill everyone on board.

Today, Trump is pushing Hydrochloraquine again and declared that portions of the country are 'corona free'. Lying to the public about a lethal threat to themselves and their families is irresponsible and dangerous.

"He claimed that “you can look at large portions of our country — it’s corona-free,” even as federal officials distributed a new report finding that 21 states had outbreaks so severe that they were in the “red zone.” Twenty-eight states were in the “yellow zone,” and only one state, Vermont, was in the “green zone.

And he lamented that health officials in his administration, including Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, were more popular than he is. “He’s got this high approval rating,” Mr. Trump said. “Why don’t I have a high approval rating — and the administration — with respect to the virus?””

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/28/world/coronavirus-covid-19.html#link-1e673f8b


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Yep look at those daily deaths soaring


Jul 28, 2020, 8:34 PM



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You still haven't figured out about the lag...? Catch up.***


Jul 29, 2020, 12:56 AM



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You keep promising


Jul 29, 2020, 1:09 AM



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Cases have at the least quintupled since our first debate...


Jul 29, 2020, 10:36 AM

Hospitalizations and deaths have reduced as a percentage/case but they are still rising overall...

And there is STILL the lag. With schools and Labor Day coming, the case numbers will rise again... with another lag.

You can't just wish it away.

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Re: Yep look at those daily deaths soaring


Jul 29, 2020, 4:40 PM [ in reply to Yep look at those daily deaths soaring ]

T3Tiger® said:

Even new cases, percent positive and hospitalizations are declining now. Sorry to spoil the panic party.




Don't you ever get tired of being wrong? As cases surge, hospitalizations and deaths follow. Deaths are down from April but have been moving up since the end of June. At it's peak in April we were seeing 35,000 cases a day. Now we're seeing 60,000 cases per day. Further, if you'll recall, back in April there were restrictions on who could be tested. The CDC required that the person had symptoms before they were tested. So, the test positivity was very high. Now, with widespread testing, the postitivity rate is going up. The U.S. is at 8% now. It was at 4% when widespread testing became available. I also noticed that, as usual, you didn't address to point of my post....Trump's lying. Any real thoughts on that beyond snarky retorts?





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Anything to make Kung-Flu Trumps fault


Jul 28, 2020, 8:35 PM

We can’t get anything close to real numbers yet... falsifying Covid cases would matter more- no?

I still love how you anti-trumpers are now MDs and are so certain that Chloroquine can’t help treat this virus.

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I had my Chloroquine shipped from India via Taiwan at


Jul 29, 2020, 1:11 AM

least 2 weeks before T-Rump ever even mentioned it. Doesn't change my opinion of the Narcissist-in-Chief...

For what it's worth (???), I've liked several of T-Rump's policies, but his handling of the Covid situation has been like 'racing on the motocross track of T-Rump's personality bumps'... I believe he may be the most ego-centric person of power in all of history.

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Re: Anything to make Kung-Flu Trumps fault


Jul 29, 2020, 4:16 PM [ in reply to Anything to make Kung-Flu Trumps fault ]

elwyn07® said:

We can’t get anything close to real numbers yet... falsifying Covid cases would matter more- no?

I still love how you anti-trumpers are now MDs and are so certain that Chloroquine can’t help treat this virus.




The NIH, CDC, FDA, European Union and virtually every real scientist in the world have confirmed that Chloroquine is ineffective and sometimes dangerous to Covid patients.

The only reason there is any question about it is that Donald Trump, not an MD, pushes it.

The latest Dr. he retweeted saying that Hydrochloroquine is effective also believes "sex with demons" is the root of many medical problems and that some of the medicines being produced today contain "alien DNA".

The only reason any one questions those studies is because Trump tells them to.

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Re: Heres why Trumps lying matters.


Jul 28, 2020, 9:37 PM

Hopefully I’m only in yellow...red would be crazy.

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Trappers, explain why we suck coronavirus prevention compared to other countries. .


Jul 28, 2020, 10:20 PM

Yes, it’s true our localized government is not great for coronavirus response, and we are a fat unhealthy nation compared to others. But on the other hand, we are the most powerful country in the world and supposedly the worlds greatest health system. Why do we completely suck on our coronavirus respons compared to most of the other countries response? To not put any blame on Trump is completely dishonest and overly biased.

If you want to make the point that the economy was great before coronavirus and Trump did some good things for the economy, that is totally fair.

But to defend Trumps coronavirus response is completely irresponsible and proves that you are biased beyond what is best for our country. Please explain to me why he was right to be a maverick on mask going back to April after all the health professionals realized it was the right thing to do? The fact that he has now reversed course and says now masks should now be worn is proof positive he was completely wrong! His ridiculous narcissistic thought about wearing masks is all about whether not you like him or not has cost Americans thousands of lives.

If you want to make the argument that Trumps success with the economy which I would argue was largely out of his control and somewhat luck, but OK he gets credit for that. If you want to make that argument, that’s fair. But the argument needs to be what he has done for the economy supersedes his ridiculous horrible role as our coronavirus President. If you defend what he’s done as president defending coronavirus, you are really ignorant.

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Truth.***


Jul 29, 2020, 1:13 AM



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Do masks really help?


Jul 29, 2020, 4:40 PM [ in reply to Trappers, explain why we suck coronavirus prevention compared to other countries. . ]

I 'll wear one, but I'm not sold it really matters as scientists are seemingly in a quandary over how it spreads, and why some people react to it the way they do and others have exact opposite results. I hear conflicting information almost daily.

How does anyone know what to believe?

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Re: Do masks really help?


Jul 29, 2020, 4:44 PM

Believe the experts and not the Pundits on TV. The CDC, NIH and Nat'l Center for Infectious Disease all say masks are critical to stop the spread. Europe, Japan, New Zealand and S.Korea made them mandatory.

Their cases are now down to almost nothing.

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So masks help... now.


Jul 29, 2020, 4:49 PM

3 months ago, masks only helped doctors and nurses. How did the mask know who to help?

Lying to people about what they should and shouldnt be doing, then flip flopping on it didn't really help anyone's case. How do I know they aren't lying now?

I mean we can go into discussions about viral load size, negative pressure and permeability of cloth vs paper discussions, but I've seen convincing arguments on both sides.

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Re: So masks help... now.


Jul 29, 2020, 5:12 PM


3 months ago, masks only helped doctors and nurses. How did the mask know who to help?

Lying to people about what they should and shouldnt be doing, then flip flopping on it didn't really help anyone's case. How do I know they aren't lying now?

I mean we can go into discussions about viral load size, negative pressure and permeability of cloth vs paper discussions, but I've seen convincing arguments on both sides.




Those are very good points and there are reasons for that. Until the end of Jan. they didn't know if it went from animal to person or human to human in it's spread. At that time they said masks may not be necessary. Then they found out it was human to human and growing exponentially.

There was a massive surge for PPE equipment. We then endured a shortage of PPE, hospitals and doctors were running out. They downplayed masks because they were afraid that if there was a run on them then hospitals wouldn't be able to acquire them. They lied...sort of. If the hospitals had run out, more deaths would occur particularly among medical staff. So, they did that to prevent a catastrophe.

After PPE became more available then they began to publicize the use of masks enmasse. If one polls the experts, there is universal agreement on masks, social distancing and avoiding enclosed crowds to stop the spread.

We all exhale droplets of moisture, with every breath. If I'm infected, the droplets I exhale are contaimenated with the virus. If you inhale them, it's likely you'll be infected to. A napkin will stop some of the droplets, cloth masks, surgical masks and the best N-95 masks all work to an increasing degree.

I'm wearing a mask my friend. :)

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The fastest way to lose me is lie about something to me.


Jul 29, 2020, 5:19 PM

After that, its all white noise. I imagine a lot of people are like that.

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Re: The fastest way to lose me is lie about something to me.


Jul 29, 2020, 5:52 PM


After that, its all white noise. I imagine a lot of people are like that.




I agree with that. I generally write someone off if they lie to me.

But the European Union, with over 100 million more people than the US, mandated masks and it worked for them.



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This is the weirdest revisionist history.


Jul 29, 2020, 6:00 PM [ in reply to So masks help... now. ]

I'm in NJ and we've been wearing masks for months. Back in March we knew that we shouldn't try to get medical quality masks, but only because healthcare providers needed them more.

There was never doubt about whether masks could generally help prevent transmission, and at the same time no one ever thought it was a perfect solution.

https://www.nj.com/news/2020/03/should-we-wear-masks-to-the-grocery-store-what-coronavirus-experts-say.html

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Ineligible, I'm not directing that response to you in


Jul 29, 2020, 6:02 PM

particular. I've seen a lot of things suggesting that experts have lied or flip flopped about whether masks "work" at all.

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Re: Ineligible, I'm not directing that response to you in


Jul 29, 2020, 6:11 PM



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Re: Ineligible, I'm not directing that response to you in


Jul 29, 2020, 6:13 PM

I gotta tell you, the N95s are definitely comfortable. I hate when I have to use a crappo disposable one.

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Re: Ineligible, I'm not directing that response to you in


Jul 29, 2020, 6:18 PM



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What does this mean then?


Jul 29, 2020, 11:52 PM [ in reply to This is the weirdest revisionist history. ]

https://www.businessinsider.com/who-no-need-for-healthy-people-to-wear-face-masks-2020-4


Two men say they’re Jesus, one of them must be wrong.

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And this?


Jul 30, 2020, 12:12 AM

https://twitter.com/Surgeon_General/status/1233725785283932160?s=20

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And this from the CDC


Jul 30, 2020, 12:16 AM

So yeah..there has been a lot of flip flopping, by a lot of people.

"The surgeon general’s tweet this weekend follows a similar message earlier in the week from CDC Director Robert Redfield.

“There is no role for these masks in the community,” he old the House Foreign Affairs Committee on Thursday. “These masks need to be prioritized for health care professionals that as part of their job are taking care of individuals.”"






https://www.marketwatch.com/story/surgeon-general-wants-you-to-stop-buying-masks-to-protect-yourself-from-coronavirus-they-are-not-effective-2020-03-01?mod=article_inline

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When there was a shortage, they tried to limit mask use.


Jul 30, 2020, 9:28 AM

Once there were enough masks, they stopped trying to limit it.

No one ever said that masks are useless. The reality is and always has been that masks are an imperfect way to try to slow the spread. Does it absolutely prevent transmission? No.

And the more they learned, the more specific the information became.

But even the WHO, in getting it "wrong," actually did a good job, and rather than read "Business Insider's" opinion of the report, you could judge WHO based on the actual report.

https://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/handle/10665/331693/WHO-2019-nCov-IPC_Masks-2020.3-eng.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y

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I'll add to this...


Jul 30, 2020, 9:31 AM

...that the WHO is not the federal government.

So even if their advice was 180 degrees from what the federal government was saying (it wasn't), it's not a question of someone changing their minds or lying or whatever. It's people trying to get a grasp on a new pandemic and taking different approaches.

None of this leads to the conclusion that the authorities are trying to trick us into wearing masks while knowing that they don't work. Or that we shouldn't take the advice of governmental and medical authorities seriously.

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Did you miss what the surgeon general said?


Jul 30, 2020, 10:29 AM

And the head of the CDC?

I'm not sure how you can spin that into anything other than flip flopping.

It went from "only medical professional needs masks, don't wear them!" to "everyone needs to wear a mask".

That's either a lie, a flip flop, or both. You make a pick.

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Re: Did you miss what the surgeon general said?


Jul 30, 2020, 10:44 AM

There was an enormous fear of a shortage of masks that would have endangered our entire healthcare industry. Telling people not to buy up masks was critical. Once they became plentiful, that critical emergency ended and slightly less critical emergency could be addressed.

If the oxygen masks drop during flight, put on your own mask first, then your child's. It's not that the child shouldn't wear a mask! But if you don't put yours on first, you won't be around to help the child.

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So the government DID tell us not to wear masks.


Jul 30, 2020, 2:32 PM

That's what your initial "revisionists history" post claimed I was wrong about, right?

I mean I know they did say that, because I posted direct quotes and tweets from the CDC, Surgeon General, and the WHO, but I just want you to admit that they flip flopped on their position.

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Not defending Trump..but what can he do about it?


Jul 29, 2020, 4:37 PM

Is he going to make people start wearing masks and not do what people do?

This, and whatever is going to happen with Covid, is going to happen regardless what the government does. We can put it off longer and postpone the inevitable, but in reality, he's pretty powerless to stop, or even slow down the spread.

And this was always going to happen because Americans are gonna 'Merica, until we get a cure or vaccine.

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Re: Not defending Trump..but what can he do about it?


Jul 30, 2020, 4:10 AM

If Trump was a true leader he would ask his cult to wear masks and they would. He basically called it all a hoax and discounted masks. That might be the biggest blunder in US history by a president.

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Re: Not defending Trump..but what can he do about it?


Jul 30, 2020, 4:10 AM [ in reply to Not defending Trump..but what can he do about it? ]

If Trump was a true leader he would ask his cult to wear masks and they would. He basically called it all a hoax and discounted masks. That might be the biggest blunder in US history by a president.

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I think he called the reaction to it a hoax


Jul 30, 2020, 10:30 AM

but people are going to do what they want to do.

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