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110%er [5513]
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Hate seeing coaches and players on the sidelines
Jan 18, 2015, 6:56 PM
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That dont have their hands over their hearts for the national anthem. Unprofessional.
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Re: Hate seeing coaches and players on the sidelines
Jan 18, 2015, 6:57 PM
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CommuSocialistas , the lot of em' !
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You'll be alright. I promise.***
Jan 18, 2015, 6:58 PM
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110%er [5513]
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Youre right, doesnt hurt me at all
Jan 18, 2015, 7:00 PM
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Just very disrespectful to those that gave their life for our nation.
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CU Medallion [51524]
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You really think that's what those players and coaches
Jan 18, 2015, 7:01 PM
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that ARE holding their hands over their hearts are thinking about?
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110%er [5513]
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regardless of what they are thinking
Jan 18, 2015, 7:03 PM
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At least they are showing respect
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Re: regardless of what they are thinking
Jan 18, 2015, 7:10 PM
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There are a lot of people who don't hold their hand over their heart because its their intention to show respect. since the pledge was written by and communicates some socialist principles. I'm certainly not saying everyone who says the pledge is a socialist. I'm just saying that some people who don't have other intentions besides disrespect.
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Re: Youre right, doesnt hurt me at all
Jan 18, 2015, 7:38 PM
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I'd say the way a lot of people behave in this country on a regular basis is what is disrespectful to those who have fought and died for this country.
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I know those punk baby boomers are so self centered.....
Jan 19, 2015, 2:47 AM
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and don't respect our country.
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I think people who wear hats in the stands during the National Anthem are worse***
Jan 18, 2015, 6:59 PM
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CU Medallion [51524]
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The horror. Literally unbelievable.***
Jan 18, 2015, 6:59 PM
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CU Medallion [67693]
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CU Medallion [51524]
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And so kind folks like yourself remove it for them!
Jan 18, 2015, 7:09 PM
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WWE style!
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Re: And so kind folks like yourself remove it for them!
Jan 18, 2015, 7:24 PM
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good lord you are being a gigantic ###### in this thread.
it is called showing respect for those who have died while fighting under that flag.
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CU Medallion [51524]
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Re: And so kind folks like yourself remove it for them!
Jan 18, 2015, 7:25 PM
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lol, mad?
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Re: And so kind folks like yourself remove it for them!
Jan 18, 2015, 7:26 PM
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not mad at all kid. If you want to be a disrespectful little #### that is fine by me. I am sorry you were not raised better.
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CU Medallion [51524]
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On an internet message board for Christ's sake!
Jan 18, 2015, 7:27 PM
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#####!
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Re: On an internet message board for Christ's sake!
Jan 18, 2015, 7:29 PM
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Another quality rebuttal. Have a nice day kid.
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Oh, so you're talking about the baby boomers***
Jan 19, 2015, 2:40 AM
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Thus, "selfie" being one of the biggest new words.
Jan 19, 2015, 10:26 AM
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Definitely a self-absorbed society we live in ... and further exemplified by the media wh0res that have made appearances on campus and/or written letters to Clemson demanding this and that.
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All-TigerNet [14488]
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haha, what?
Jan 18, 2015, 7:02 PM
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The hand over the heart is primarily a southern thing. It's not as widely understood/practiced in other regions
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Re: haha, what?
Jan 18, 2015, 7:04 PM
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That clearly suggests the south has more class and respect for our country and military then
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Ironic considering what that military did in 1865.***
Jan 18, 2015, 7:04 PM
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Message removed by Author
Jan 18, 2015, 7:24 PM
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Re: Ironic considering what that military did in 1865.***
Jan 18, 2015, 7:26 PM
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bachelor of science, history 2010 from the same university you attended. oops!
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Re: Ironic considering what that military did in 1865.***
Jan 18, 2015, 7:27 PM
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Wasnt history on the war then.
You are still being a ######### in this thread though so congrats.
Message was edited by: clemtiger117®
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All-TigerNet [14488]
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^^^^^^^jerk
Jan 18, 2015, 7:33 PM
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You keep calling him a disrespectful kid, then you go on to make fun of his major. What a loser, grow up!
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Re: ^^^^^^^jerk
Jan 18, 2015, 7:36 PM
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Showing him the same respect he shows the men and women who have died for this country.
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All-TigerNet [14488]
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Please, show me where he disrespected people who died for our country
Jan 18, 2015, 7:38 PM
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Go ahead....
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Re: Please, show me where he disrespected people who died for our country
Jan 18, 2015, 7:41 PM
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Read the thread not that hard to do. I shouldnt have to link you anything.
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CU Medallion [51524]
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That didn't answer the question, sir.
Jan 18, 2015, 7:51 PM
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I'm a "kid," you're a "sir," correct?
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CU Medallion [51524]
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TIL people on the internet are exactly how they are
Jan 18, 2015, 7:43 PM
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IRL.
Amazing fact!
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Certainly hope you are not the same in real life as you are
Jan 19, 2015, 12:26 PM
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throughout this post. Unless you really do think it is fashionable to go out of your way to irritate people, poke fun at everything, and be a sarcastic pr!ck 24/7. Hopefully you are really only acting this way "because its just an internet message board" as you said earlier, and that's how you get your jollies.
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CU Medallion [51524]
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And completely missed the sarcasm in every post!
Jan 18, 2015, 7:42 PM
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It's raw talent. A gift, really. But what do I know? I'm just a kid ??
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All-TigerNet [14488]
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again....what?
Jan 18, 2015, 7:06 PM
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No. It's no I diction of that at all. Some people just aren't aware of the practice
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Re: again....what?
Jan 18, 2015, 7:12 PM
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What people? I learned it at a young age and just thought it always was what we Americans did to show respect during the National Anthem while singing along. Maybe kidz today are not taught to respect such practices cuz some group will protest against it?
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110%er [7831]
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They're not taught it
Jan 18, 2015, 7:16 PM
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They don't say the pledge at school anymore. I dare say most don't know the national anthem. Nor do they know basic US history.
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CU Medallion [51524]
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You a republican or democrat?
Jan 18, 2015, 7:20 PM
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Just wondering.
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All-TigerNet [14488]
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I learned it, but was never really told it was mandantory
Jan 18, 2015, 7:30 PM
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Many of my friends at clemson were from the northeast and they never saw much of it until coming down here for school. They just didn't know about it or its significance
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110%er [5513]
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I call bs on this
Jan 18, 2015, 7:24 PM
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Watch a pro baseball/basketball/football game in the North/Midwest/West and the majority of the roster and fans have their hand over their hearts. Its not just a Southern thing...
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All-TigerNet [14488]
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Lol, you call bs?
Jan 18, 2015, 7:31 PM
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I'm not bullshitting, you for the sake of making an argument, um just going off my own personal experiences. My clemson friends from the northeast were all big time sports fans and never knew the significance of the hand over the heart until they came down for school
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110%er [5513]
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So bc a few guys you knew in college
Jan 18, 2015, 7:44 PM
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Didnt know you assume the rest of the USA outside of the South are like them?! Cause that makes sense. Watch a pro event... heck the one Im referring to took place in Boston and the majority were doing it.
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dood, face the reality
Jan 18, 2015, 7:50 PM
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There are areas in the country that aren't as conservative or "pro miliatary" as the south. My 3 best friends in school were from boston, long island, and philadelphia, and none of them understood the significance of the hand over the heart. They knew some people did it during the national anthem, they just didn't know the meaning.
Call it ignorance, but the fact is, there are over 300 million people in this country. Not all of them are going to be as educated about military history, or as conscience of military respect as you are. I'm sure those who don't place their hearts aren't blatantly showing disrespect for servicemen. Maybe they just don't know the practice. Geez, you ARE aware that not everybody thinks like you, right?
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"damm yankee!" comment in 3...2...***
Jan 18, 2015, 7:52 PM
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110%er [5513]
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Again, watch a pro sporting event
Jan 18, 2015, 7:55 PM
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You will be proved wrong.
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CU Medallion [51524]
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I think the word you wanted to use there is "proven"
Jan 18, 2015, 7:57 PM
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But I was told to not tell anyone about my major. *hush hush*
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110%er [5513]
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Even though you are trolling
Jan 18, 2015, 7:59 PM
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I do thank you for the correction.
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CU Medallion [51524]
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Point for you.***
Jan 18, 2015, 8:00 PM
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You saw the whole stadium?
Jan 18, 2015, 7:54 PM
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What if the camera guys orders were to "find some people being respectful to NAT's standards!"
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You had some retarded friends, then. Everyone should know
Jan 18, 2015, 7:47 PM
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to take off their damm hat and put their hand over their heart for the anthem. Being a northerner isn't an excuse.
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CU Medallion [51524]
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Are damm hats different from regualar hats?***
Jan 18, 2015, 7:48 PM
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All-TigerNet [14488]
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excuse me?
Jan 18, 2015, 7:54 PM
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Read my post before you call my friends retarded. I never said anything about removing hats during the national anthem. That is commonly understood. I was talking about putting one's hand over one's heart
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CU Medallion [51524]
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But we're the disrespectful TigerNetter's here.
Jan 18, 2015, 7:54 PM
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lol
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All-TigerNet [10901]
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Yeah, and putting your hand over your heart is
Jan 18, 2015, 7:58 PM
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just as commonly understood, by most people of at least average intelligence.
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Which 'intelegence measuring method' are we using here?
Jan 18, 2015, 7:59 PM
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Just trying to be on the same page.
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No no
Jan 18, 2015, 8:14 PM
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He said "by most people of at least average intelligence"
So, it it average intelligent people? Or most people? Or people over average intelligence?
I has the confuse
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on the contrary
Jan 18, 2015, 8:06 PM
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I have always been taught to take my hat off during the national anthem. Usually I place it over my heart, but I was never taught it was mandatory like taking the hat off was
Guess I was raised wrong
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You and I both***
Jan 18, 2015, 8:24 PM
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Re: Lol, you call bs?
Jan 18, 2015, 11:50 PM
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You ever watch the World Series?
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I'm from the north, it was NOT customary to put your hand
Jan 18, 2015, 11:38 PM
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over your heart. Take off your cap, yes.
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Re: haha, what?
Jan 18, 2015, 7:49 PM
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not true, that is actually a new thing to a lot of us older people ... and I have never lived out of the south
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No it's not
Jan 18, 2015, 9:46 PM
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it is in fact required by federal law.
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Re: Hate seeing coaches and players on the sidelines
Jan 18, 2015, 7:23 PM
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Being that I am a veteran....(USAF)
26 years....and still going, I render a salute at games during the National Anthem!
And it royally PI$$ES me off to see so many people with their hats on during the Anthem.
To ME....that Anthem stands for something!
We indeed live in the "me first" generation. Ungrateful, spoiled, self-serving and "politically correct" crap!!
Thank a Liberal for all that!
Anyway, Go Tigers!!!
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I'm tired of those selfish me first baby boomers too...
Jan 19, 2015, 2:43 AM
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Selfish baby boomers with their greed and self worship. It's about time somebody put them in their place.
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when its played in your home, what do you do?
Jan 18, 2015, 7:30 PM
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just wondering if you show proper respect when YOU hear it. Whether you are at the game or watching it on TV, you are still in the presence of the song.
Do you stand?
Do you sing along?
Do you honor it with silence?
Or do you secretly hope the singer screws up the words so you can laugh about it......
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I disagree, watching it and being in attendance
Jan 18, 2015, 7:38 PM
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Are 2 diff things. If I hear a prayer on tv I do not bow my head but I do in person. I know I respect my country and servicemen... I symbolically show that in public by putting my hand over my heart.
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You should write a rules book. Srsly.
Jan 18, 2015, 7:48 PM
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What if I'm driving down highway 1 in Foxboro and hear the national anthem from my car? Do I pull over? Do I stand? Inquiring minds need to know.
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well, that's very interesting
Jan 18, 2015, 7:54 PM
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my parents didn't teach me to hold my hand over my heart during the National Anthem (I never have, that's a Pledge of Allegiance thing as someone else mentions), but they sure taught me to respect it EVERY time it is heard, at a game, or at home on TV. It's the National Anthem no matter how it's delivered.
I try not to be around when it's shown in TV, but if it is, I remove my hat, be silent, and stand if possible.
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ClemTiger117 thinks you were raised wrong.***
Jan 18, 2015, 7:55 PM
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Re: Hate seeing coaches and players on the sidelines
Jan 18, 2015, 7:47 PM
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well, back in the day were not taught to do that in anthem, just the pledge
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Well that changes everything. If that happened back in the
Jan 18, 2015, 7:49 PM
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day, something should be renamed.
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Re: Well that changes everything. If that happened back in the
Jan 18, 2015, 7:54 PM
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that makes no sense, but if you are trained a certain way in grade school ie, hand over heart for pledge and stand straight for anthem, it tends to carry over into the rest of your life
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I was joking. It's all in good fun.
Jan 18, 2015, 7:56 PM
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People take this #### way to seriously.
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Re: I was joking. It's all in good fun. Fun huh?
Jan 18, 2015, 9:43 PM
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Fun, huh?
Why don't you visit some of the few remaining Veterans
who went in D-Day, and ask them how fun it was.
And how fun the Battle of the Bulge was...
My DAD still had nightmares about it at 75 years old.
And ask those who fought the Japanese how fun that was...
And ask those who spent time in POW camps about their fun activities...
I knew one over 6ft, who was about 200 lbs and came home on a stretcher under at 85 lbs.
And ask those who fought the Viet Cong and those that have fought in the
Middle East, how fun that was, too...
And be sure and ask those family members whose spouse, parent, or child didn't
come home, how fun that was for them...
So much fun....yeah...
You, and the couple of others, in this thread, are right... we take it serious.
Your (plural) comments show your maturity levels.
Apparently, you haven't been around long enough to watch how the attitude in the country has deteriorated. Were you even required to read Patrick Henry's address in your History? So many
important topics have been removed from curriculum today. We had to supplement our
kids studies, so they had a better understanding, since so many texts today are strictly social topics, and govt agendas.
And one more thought, I too was in marching band, and we played the National Anthem before every
fb game...I thought many times, while playing, what my Dad went through. I still have chill bumps when listening knowing behind the music, what it means to so many Veterans, and their families.
Put yourself in another person's shoes before saying, "we take it too serious". There's a daahhmm good reason to be serious. You need to reflect, on a regular basis, what those Veterans have personally sacrificed for you. Have you thanked any of them?
GO TIGERS!!!
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Re: I was joking. It's all in good fun. Fun huh?
Jan 18, 2015, 9:45 PM
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Spot on!
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It's a free world, way to join the ME ME ME
Jan 18, 2023, 2:40 PM
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part of today's society. You act like they are burning flag, stop crying.
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Well said
Jan 18, 2023, 3:19 PM
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Some people see it as disrespectful, but the fact is, many people either don't understand or don't see it that way. It's just an opinion. Some of these people are getting way too worked up over it
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To me this is quite simple
Jan 18, 2015, 8:41 PM
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I love my country and respect all those whose efforts have provided me with the freedoms I have.
But along with recognizing those freedoms comes recognizing that others show their respect and support in different ways and it's silly to think you can know what's going through anyone else's head in those moments.
As an example I do not feel particularly comfortabl pledging allegiance to a flag as I find the whole concept strange. I am an American and respect my country and wish to do what I can to see it properly prosper, but my allegiance belongs on a much smaller scale. I hold allegiance to my friends, my family, those I love and cherish. I also hold allegiance to the concept of right and wrong which, were I honest, would occasionally make pledging allegiance to the U.S. problematic. So I do with great reverence and respect honor my country, and I am more appreciative than I can express of the men and women who have served and built our nation, but were you to see me without my hand across my chest you'd judge otherwise.
Btw this was typed on a phone and autocorrect probably screwed something up
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good post! I couldn't agree more***
Jan 18, 2015, 11:05 PM
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here is the deal
Jan 18, 2015, 9:43 PM
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Stand your ### up, take ur hat off, shut the hell up, honor the men and and women who have died so you can watch ur games, live in the free country u live in, have the opinions u have, worship how u want, do what the hell u want to do, signed the 45 KIA and 197 WIA Marines I served with in 20 years in the Crotch through Desert Storm, Somalia, Iraq, and Afghanistan . Memo to everyone, there are people that have DIED so u can have this discussion.
Jesus people, there is more to life than Democrat vs. Republican and Yankee vs. Dixie. We are free because of grunts who have said #### YOU to everyone else.
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Re: here is the deal - The Real Deal
Jan 18, 2015, 9:52 PM
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I was hoping you would see this and comment!
Again, Thank you for your service!
GO TIGERS!!!
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Yeah you people live in a free country, now shut the f### up and do what your told***
Jan 19, 2015, 2:55 AM
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He's been 'drilling' it for a long time...***
Jan 19, 2015, 10:51 AM
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Who cares? Find something more important to get worked up
Jan 18, 2015, 9:49 PM
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about.
BTW, those soldiers also fought for the freedom for people to do whatever the h3ll they want during the anthem. If they want to keep their hat on, hands to their sides, talk on their phone, write a post on T-Net, they can. That's why I find it hilarious and ironic when military guys get so heated over it and DEMAND respect from everyone else.
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yep, because we know what it is like
Jan 18, 2015, 10:01 PM
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To shoot a son of a ##### in the chest who laid an IED, we have held a Marines hand as he died, we have put nothing but a torso into a body bag because arms and legs and head were blown off, yep, there it is brother. You cant stand up, shut up, and take your hat off, #### you, period, Cpl Lucas Pyeatt says hi. I put his torso in a body bag. Hes a better man than any ####### who talks during the Anthem. And by the way, I vote Democrat but I served and dont give a #### about Yankee Dixie or Dem Repub BS. I give a #### about being free because I know the fee thats paid.
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Re: yep, because we know what it is like
Jan 18, 2015, 10:07 PM
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Good for you. Thanks for your service.
I do take my hat off when I'm at an event where the anthem is played, but I've never put my hand over my heart. There's no disrespect intended there, it's just a personal choice.
However, your post exemplifies why I find it difficult to give many recent veterans much more than a "thanks for your service." You come off as a jerk when you demand that I respect you with a post like yours.
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a jerk?
Jan 18, 2015, 10:12 PM
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Thank you man. The boys will keep doing the dirty work that they get sent to do. Meanwhile I will watch people who live free and comfortable because of those grunts who will do what the masses dont have the guts to do. Enjoy your life, man. I tip my hat to you. We dont want any bennies....especially from the comfortable masses who think its a video game.
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Re: a jerk?
Jan 18, 2015, 10:16 PM
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Yes, jerk fits pretty well.
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maybe so, but if you have seen what I have seen
Jan 18, 2015, 10:21 PM
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You would get it. Less than 1 percent of this nation sign a check to this nation for up to their life. That means something to me because I put a lot of them in body bags. They were the best people I have ever known so if we are jerks, I will take that. I am glad I served beside those jerks. They were my boys. Have a great life man.
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Re: maybe so, but if you have seen what I have seen
Jan 18, 2015, 10:29 PM
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Perhaps, but I work with a few veterans who have a much better attitude than you do when it comes to things like this. I have a lot of respect for them because they understand that this is truly a free country, and they don't force everyone else to conform to their views.
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I guarantee they are not Marine Corps Infantry
Jan 18, 2015, 10:39 PM
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Who saw and lived the nastiest #### in combat. Id bet u my last 10 paychecks they are not. Enjoy your life man. We did it for you, period. Look up Sangin, Afghanistan 3d Battalion 5th Marines, you will see our reality. It aint a video game, it aint the news, it was the nastiest combat since Vietnam and if u dont get that, whatever. Im #### glad I was with my boys who DID get it. They were there.
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Re: I guarantee they are not Marine Corps Infantry
Jan 18, 2015, 11:42 PM
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That doesn't mean you should act like an a$$hole when you spot someone who dares to not put their hand over their heart during the anthem.
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Don't you get it, he is like a Samurai now. You must respect him and do what he tells you to...
Jan 19, 2015, 3:05 AM
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because this is a free country. Now shut the f ### up and do what he tells you to do.
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Don't you get it you have to respect him like a Samurai in feudal Japan...
Jan 19, 2015, 3:00 AM
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You do know he reserves the right to chop your head off if he thinks your disrespectful.
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Let's Rename It Jesse Jackson Hall Oh Wait We Can't Do That
Jan 18, 2015, 10:04 PM
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He Doesn't Have Perfect Moral Character. I Got It Let's Name It Al Sharpton Hall, Oh Fudge He's a Tax Evader. Boy They Do Cast Many Stones A'Livin in a Glass House.
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Hand over heart is NOT required etiquette for the national
Jan 18, 2015, 10:24 PM
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anthem.
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Yes it is
Jan 19, 2015, 12:35 AM
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http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/flagcode.htm
United States Code Title 36
§301. National anthem
Designation. — The composition consisting of the words and music known as the Star-Spangled Banner is the national anthem.
Conduct During Playing — During rendition of the national anthem —
when the flag is displayed —
individuals in uniform should give the military salute at the first note of the anthem and maintain that position until the last note;
members of the Armed Forces and veterans who are present but not in uniform may render the military salute in the manner provided for individuals in uniform; and
all other persons present should face the flag and stand at attention with their right hand over the heart, and men not in uniform, if applicable, should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart; and
when the flag is not displayed, all present should face toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag were displayed.
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well, it turns out you are correct!
Jan 19, 2015, 9:35 AM
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though as Snopes points out, the code is pretty outdated (almost no one wears a hat anymore), and the norm has shifted away from folks actually feeling any real compulsion to do this now.
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Hat, cap ... same difference.***
Jan 19, 2015, 1:00 PM
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I'm gonna be honest, I didn't really know anything about
Jan 18, 2015, 11:26 PM
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that growing up. I was always taught to put my hand over my heart during the pledge, but not our national anthem. I started doing it after seeing some do it during games and such but there is a large crowd that doesn't do it...even in the south, here at Clemson.
What's the correlation between sporting events and honoring those that have served?
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Re: Hate seeing coaches and players on the sidelines
Jan 19, 2015, 5:02 AM
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I can't figure out when people started putting their hands over their hearts for the National Anthem. Put your hand over your heart for the Pledge of Allegiance. Stand with your arms at your sides for the National Anthem.
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Re: Hate seeing coaches and players on the sidelines
Jan 19, 2015, 1:03 PM
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I don't think it's really a big deal. You're just making it one, everybody is entitled to do what they want. Just because they didn't have their hands over their heart doesn't mean they don't respect the soilders who died for us. That's just my opinion though.
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Yep... +1.***
Jan 19, 2015, 1:08 PM
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