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Orange Blooded [2702]
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I'm afraid war is imminent
Sep 3, 2017, 8:28 AM
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Kim Jung Un won't stop his nuclear research. With another nuclear test today and claims of having a hydrogen bomb, the "all options are on the table" approach is looking more and more like military actions are on the table. As has been stated by almost all this is the worst choice from a group of bad options but I just don't see diplomacy or sanctions working.
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Track him, then Tac nuke him. Done.***
Sep 3, 2017, 11:59 AM
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Honestly I think that should be Option 1A***
Sep 3, 2017, 4:16 PM
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Never happen. 1. That is not a guaranteed solution.
Sep 3, 2017, 5:23 PM
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2. They have time to respond with a nuke the other way before ours lands. They can counter attack. They will know ours is/are launched before they strike.
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Do you know how long it actually takes North Korea to
Sep 3, 2017, 8:48 PM
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prepare for a nuclear launch? Those things just don't launch because someone pushes a button at a moments notice.
The US can launch small tactical warheads - Tomahawks - from ships, submarines, or aircraft that could take out any potential North Korean launch site before they could fire.
We would also have intercept capabilities in place before our initial launch to ensure theirs are knocked down. Don't think we can do that - research our shooting down of the satellite falling back to earth a few years ago: http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/space/02/20/satellite.shootdown/
Simultaneously, we can knock out their tracking capabilities with Tomahawk missiles as well - not including jamming options the US has. We blind them and punch them in the nose at the same time. Then, we pull the rug out from under their feet.
When it goes to a ground war, that is when it will get ugly. My only concern with them firing a Nuke is that they do it without US being prepared to react timely...and that could very well be where we are at the moment.
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Apparently the nuclear version of the Tomahawk was "retired" from service. Don't mistakenly think that means there are no other similar options available.
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No, but military brass on the tube said in an interview...
Sep 3, 2017, 9:39 PM
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last week that NK would have enough time to kill hundreds of thousands in a counter attack. I will take his word for it. Also, he said our intercept capabilities are well under 50% at the moment. Actually, the reporter asked him if it was 50% and he shook his head and said it's not even close and maybe not even 40%. He commented that we should focus all of our energy on that technology, because we're really not that protected. I think you have talked to one too many of your drinking buddies about what would happen.
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Re: No, but military brass on the tube said in an interview...
Sep 3, 2017, 9:51 PM
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North Korea could potentially kill hundreds of thousands - but not in the US. Unless they make a preemptive strike AND we do not have intercept resources in place. I believe the assessment is correct that we have a small percentage of success as we stand right now - not prepared for an attack. I think that is what I also alluded to with my first post.
If, however, the US makes a preemptive strike, the NK response will be limited AND expected - meaning we are ready to react timely to their actions. Whatever they may be. Not without loss though. There is always loss in war.
My drinking buddies? lol Just reflecting on my experience and training exercises while I was in.
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I think you're out of the loop now.
Sep 3, 2017, 9:57 PM
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Nobody in the know in any interview agrees with your assessment at this stage. As a matter of fact is they don't know if we know where are all of their sites are to launch nukes.
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Re: I think you're out of the loop now.
Sep 3, 2017, 10:03 PM
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How many launch sites do you think they can possibly have?
I'm sure I am out of the loop a bit. But, having been in the loop I am not totally ignorant of what can happen.
BTW, what is your definition of what my assessment is/was? That the US would obliterate the NK army without a fight? If so, I wrote it wrong or you read it wrong...or both. No matter what, a war with NK will be bad.
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We're on the same page basically.
Sep 4, 2017, 8:26 AM
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It just doesn't take much for us not to know for it to be outrageously catastrophic. Supposedly there could be some mobile sites that we may not know for sure. Who knows what else there may be. We're on the same page though. Sorry if I were a little rude once again. I just don't agree with people when they say that we should just find Kim Jong Un, nuke where we think he is, and then it is all over. I know you don't think that. Some people really do. That would probably just be the beginning.
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And as a far as ground war. He spoke about that too.
Sep 3, 2017, 9:53 PM
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He said we couldn't even get close without them possibly launching a massive strike killing amounts of people that are unimaginable. We won't be sneaking up in a ground war. You did state that it would be hard though. Anyway, this general Mattis that says something similar.
Here is General Mattis on it and I can't find the interview I saw the other day with the other dude. Anyway, they have ICBM's now supposedly of course and they do have nukes. This interview with Mattis was before.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/war-with-north-korea-would-be-catastrophic-mattis-says/
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Re: And as a far as ground war. He spoke about that too.
Oct 17, 2023, 7:54 AM
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Again, I also said a ground war would be ugly. That is a given - especially with North Korea. It would be nothing like what we have been doing over the last 15 years or so. We are talking WWII ugly.
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There are no easy answers of any kind with or without..
Sep 3, 2017, 10:02 PM
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a ground war according to anybody that is anybody at this stage. SOrry if I was rude, because I get annoyed when people talk like we can just wipe them out real quick without any counter attacks that are horrific. It's almost as if they are welcoming possibly the most horrific situation in world history. I realize you are not though.
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Re: There are no easy answers of any kind with or without..
Sep 3, 2017, 10:08 PM
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You are correct - there are no easy answers with NK on this. And, i keep telling my son just what you said - there will be no easy win over NK. He recently returned from a one year tour in South Korea and is pumped full of the "we can't lose" juice.
By no means do I want any of it to happen - it scares me what will happen if it does. Our world will change dramatically overnight - in a moment - if it does. ANd i am getting comfortable these days! 
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We won't do anything anymore.
Sep 3, 2017, 5:21 PM
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That ship has sailed. We will just stick with sanctions. There is really nothing we can do other than that. we won't take a risk of LA being nuked, along with Tokyo and Seoul. No country that has nukes will be attacked with a major war.
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Just watched an interview and...
Sep 3, 2017, 6:13 PM
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we're drawing up something that will be brought Congress where if it is approved will mean that any country that does business with NK will be banned from doing business in the US.
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Isn't China their biggest trading partner?***
Sep 3, 2017, 7:28 PM
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Orange Blooded [2702]
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Yeah
Sep 3, 2017, 7:31 PM
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No more cheap Chinese goods? What will we do?
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go back to Russell Athletic jerseys***
Sep 3, 2017, 9:10 PM
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Can someone fill me in on what we are trying to stop?
Sep 4, 2017, 8:17 AM
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We would go to war to make North Korea stop sending missiles into the Pacific Ocean? From making taunts through state-controlled media?
What is the goal here?
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Internal coup in North Korea.. Easiest solution for everyone
Sep 4, 2017, 8:29 AM
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...except Kim Jong Un.
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Don't fear the reaper***
Sep 4, 2017, 12:43 PM
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This is scary business.
Sep 4, 2017, 4:08 PM
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Millions could die. The only best case scenario I can of think of militarily is an overwhelming attack on NK nuclear facilities with non-nuke devices coupled with massive attacks on Kim Jung Un's house and high command.
Then walk away and let China deal with it....they created it.
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Nah, trust me. It'll be great.***
Sep 4, 2017, 5:02 PM
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Re: Nah, trust me. It'll be great.***
Sep 5, 2017, 9:34 PM
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I can't imagine how.
Civilians always suffer the most.
2 million civilians died in Vietnam
500,000 in Iraq as of 2012
50-55 million in WW2.
Trust me, it's not going to be great.
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I know... that comment was dripping with sarcasm...
Sep 6, 2017, 8:38 AM
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something Trump would say. Or tweet.
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