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Orange Blooded [3742]
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Wow, Clemson basically turned away a 5* DE
Jan 19, 2016, 8:43 PM
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A. Clayton was just bumped up to 5*. He had serious interest in Clemson and there was a better than good chance that he would have eventually signed with us. Dodd's pro intentions were not yet known and the staff had determined early that they were only taking 1 DE this year. In no uncertain terms they told X. Kelly and Clayton that they'd take the 1st guy that committed and would shut down their DE recruitment after that. Clayton wanted to spend a little more time seeing what else was out there, but Kelly didn't hesitate and committed. Clayton was dominant at the UA game and in practices and earned the 5th star and eventually choice Florida
Clayton may have a more immediate impact, but Kelly has more physical tools and upside to eventually be the better player. Basically we turned away a 5* due to numbers. It's crazy to me that our program is at a point where a typical 5* is not oversign worthy. Apparently, you've got to be a 5* and top 5-10 overall in the entire class for us to squeeze you in.
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Re: Wow, Clemson basically turned away a 5* DE
Jan 19, 2016, 8:45 PM
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Rather have the coaches sons
5'7 DBs and slow LBs don't grow on trees lol
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Orange Blooded [3413]
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Give this up
Jan 19, 2016, 8:50 PM
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How many games have we lost because of Dabo's recruiting of legacies?
Go to STS or FGF if you ain't with Dabo and recruiting, you can spout your whining over there.
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Re: Give this up
Jan 19, 2016, 10:34 PM
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What a great way to think! Don't question stuff or think about stuff...if you don't agree with everything our coaches do, get out!
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Do you think everyone here is stupid?
Jan 20, 2016, 8:27 AM
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The ridicule of Dabo was the issue. You made it out as if those who question coaching should be thrown off the board. That's not what happened and you know it. A poster ridiculed our HC after Clemson's first 14 win season. That's not bright.
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Re: Do you think everyone here is stupid?
Jan 20, 2016, 1:01 PM
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Someone questioned the strategy of giving scholarships to legacies & sons of coaches, and the exact response was "Go to STS or FGF if you ain't with Dabo and recruiting"
I'm not making it out to be anything...I'm just responding to what another poster said. I think it's foolish to shut people down just for bringing up a subject like that, especially when there's a limited number of scholarships. We've given out multiple scholarships to guys who have 0 other Division 1 offers, and whose parents are more than able to afford tuition. It's worth talking about IMO.
FWIW, I don't have a problem with those guys being on the team, but I believe they should be preferred walk-ons.
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Re: Are you really #ALLIN "All in 52"?
Jan 19, 2016, 8:59 PM
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Why because I don't agree with one thing Dabo does ?
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Re: Are you really #ALLIN "All in 52"?
Jan 19, 2016, 9:01 PM
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Because you're trashing our players.
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Re: Are you really #ALLIN "All in 52"?
Jan 19, 2016, 9:10 PM
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Sorry how is saying how talk Trapp and Dawkins are trashing them ? This is the correct height right ? Do you know how many 5'7 CBs play in the NFL ? I'll answer for you NONE . Pointing the obvious isn't trashing them it's the truth . You know what they say "It is not slander or defamation if it is true"
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Re: Are you really #ALLIN "All in 52"?
Jan 19, 2016, 9:16 PM
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Well you pretty much inferred that they didn't deserve a scholly before they haven't even played a game, but I suppose you know better than coaches that have put 2 star recruits into the NFL.
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Re: Are you really #ALLIN "All in 52"?
Jan 19, 2016, 9:19 PM
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If you think they are so good and deserve the scholarship then surely you would bet that at least 1 out of the 5 will make it into the NFL ? If not then pipe down.
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Re: Are you really #ALLIN "All in 52"?
Jan 19, 2016, 9:28 PM
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Since when is making it to the NFL a criteria for the meaning a scholarship? Were Spencer Sheuy, Darius Robinson, Rod McDowell, Gary Peters and Josh Watson wasted scholarships? By your theory yes because 1 of the 5 didn't get into the NFL, but keep on passing judgement on players that have not even set foot on a college football field.
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Re: Are you really #ALLIN "All in 52"?
Jan 19, 2016, 9:35 PM
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So you have no logical response
Jan 19, 2016, 9:40 PM
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Nice to know I won the argument.
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Re: Are you really #ALLIN "All in 52"?
Jan 19, 2016, 9:39 PM
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The Davis Twins and trapp are on campus keep up . The Davis Twins played great on our weakest link the kickoff team this year .
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Re: Are you really #ALLIN "All in 52"?
Jan 19, 2016, 9:44 PM
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all are freshmen I'm sure the and last time I checked there were 9 other people on KO team. Pretty sure Trapp redshirted.
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Re: Are you really #ALLIN "All in 52"?
Jan 19, 2016, 9:47 PM
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"keep on passing judgement on players that have not even set foot on a college football field"
"all are freshmen I'm sure the and last time I checked there were 9 other people on KO team. Pretty sure Trapp redshirted"
I thought they haven't set foot on a college football field ? I think we have 11 on the KO team but maybe we are playing with 9 after seeing all of the returns we gave up this year .
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Re: Are you really #ALLIN "All in 52"?
Jan 19, 2016, 10:27 PM
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Have Dawkins and Trapp played a down of College Football yet? No...so you are still passing judgement on players that haven't played yet. You are completely foolish if you really think our coaches put the don't put 11 best players on the KO team because of their last name.
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Re: Are you really #ALLIN "All in 52"?
Jan 19, 2016, 10:32 PM
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No...so you are still passing judgement on players that haven't played yet
"You are completely foolish if you really think our coaches put the don't put 11 best players on the KO team because of their last name"
You don't remember Daniel Rodriguez on punt return ?
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Re: Are you really #ALLIN "All in 52"?
Jan 19, 2016, 10:46 PM
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Ironic you would use that gif to justify your feelings considering you believe they got the offers due to nepotism.
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Re: Are you really #ALLIN "All in 52"?
Jan 19, 2016, 10:51 PM
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"you believe they got the offers due to nepotism"
Nobody can deny this
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which CB's are 5' 7"?...
Jan 19, 2016, 9:55 PM
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and FYI. there are several cb's in the nfl right now who are short
Mark McMillian from Alabama, played for Eagles was 5' 7".
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Re: which CB's are 5' 7"?...
Jan 19, 2016, 9:58 PM
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Trapp & Dawkins and sorry we are talking about 2016 not 1997 LMAO
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Re: which CB's are 5' 7"?...
Jan 19, 2016, 10:57 PM
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as I said, there are 2 in the nfl NOW.
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Re: which CB's are 5' 7"?...
Jan 19, 2016, 10:58 PM
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Well don't hold this valuable information please tell .
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Re: which CB's are 5' 7"?...
Jan 20, 2016, 1:05 PM
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"as I said, there are 2 in the nfl NOW"
We are waiting
@cutiger250
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Re: Are you really #ALLIN "All in 52"?
Jan 19, 2016, 9:37 PM
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You don't agree with one thing Dabo does ?
Not one ?
Man . Care to take is on a trip through the mind of a " fan " who completely disagrees with everything their successful head football coach is doing ?
Insightful comments are anticipated .
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Re: Are you really #ALLIN "All in 52"?
Jan 19, 2016, 9:43 PM
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The one thing I disagree with is putting walk-on type players on scholarship just because of the last name on the jersey . Other than that no problems with Dabo .
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Re: Wow, Clemson basically turned away a 5* DE
Jan 19, 2016, 8:53 PM
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BVs son is fine he has D1 offers unlike the others
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Re: Wow, Clemson basically turned away a 5* DE
Jan 19, 2016, 9:00 PM
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In that case, I'll watch and learn... Proceed
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Re: Wow, Clemson basically turned away a 5* DE
Jan 19, 2016, 8:54 PM
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Venables' son isn't an issue whatsoever - future 4* player. It's the Davis twins, Trapp, and Dawkins that are issues, specifically.
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and you...
Jan 19, 2016, 8:55 PM
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do not even realize why they do it?? SMH
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Re: and you...
Jan 19, 2016, 9:14 PM
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Actually, I'm well aware of why they did it. That doesn't mean I have to completely agree with it.
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I don't think the coaches are looking for your approval.***
Jan 19, 2016, 9:30 PM
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Re: Wow, Clemson basically turned away a 5* DE
Jan 19, 2016, 9:19 PM
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I'd recommend you check my posting history - I'm a big Dabo fan and have been tremendously pleased with the program's success and direction. Again, we have a limited number of scholarships and I'd rather not have several used for limited players. If we were like Alabama and "cut" players by putting them on medical hardship for little reason (a strategy I'd prefer we never pursue), then this probably wouldn't be an issue. But when we are lacking depth and short on numbers at key positions while we're losing freshman All-Americans (ie Kareem Orr), it seems to me that we are hurting ourselves.
Hth
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Re: Wow, Clemson basically turned away a 5* DE
Jan 19, 2016, 10:39 PM
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While we're naming names, add Nick Schuessler (roomate's player) & D.J. Greenlee (S&C staff member's son). Dabo is very free-hearted with other people's money. It does not appear that he will discontinue the practice so it's useless to debate it.
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Have you considered that the family atmosphere that
Jan 19, 2016, 9:01 PM
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apparently goes a long way in selling the program to most of those 5* recruits is cultivated by doing things like giving scholarships to "short" and "slow" legacy recruits?
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Re: Have you considered that the family atmosphere that
Jan 19, 2016, 9:15 PM
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With this logic we should never fire Danny Danny Pearman because he is a former player and that helps show the family atmosphere.
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Re: Have you considered that the family atmosphere that
Jan 19, 2016, 9:17 PM
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How many All ACC TEs has he coached?
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Re: Wow, Clemson basically turned away a 5* DE
Jan 19, 2016, 9:35 PM
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Don't just cry and whine about that. Dabo signed a 5 star that has been suspended twice. Maybe we should fire him. The Davis Twins and Brian Hawkins son haven't cost us a game. Deon on the other might have. Get over bashing the sons of former Tigers.
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Re: Wow, Clemson basically turned away a 5* DE
Jan 19, 2016, 10:06 PM
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You've made your opinion very clear....many times. Your upset with our number of legacies, recruiting decisions and feel more capable of running our program than Dabo.
Thanks and congratulations on your persistence. 
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Re: Wow, Clemson basically turned away a 5* DE
Jan 19, 2016, 10:09 PM
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You're.... not "your" which I somehow posted! I thought I better fix it before I draw the attention of the grammar police. Not that there's anything wrong with being a grammar cop.
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Re: Wow, Clemson basically turned away a 5* DE
Jan 19, 2016, 10:15 PM
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Your Crazy !!!! lol
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Re: Wow, Clemson basically turned away a 5* DE
Jan 19, 2016, 10:18 PM
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"Your Crazy !!!! lol "
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Re: Wow, Clemson basically turned away a 5* DE
Jan 19, 2016, 10:26 PM
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Is that you Otis? Just trying to "nip it in the bud" as Barney liked to say. Unfortunately, probably a little late with the nipping! Lol
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Re: The irony of your ignorance....***
Jan 19, 2016, 11:08 PM
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Re: The irony of your ignorance....***
Jan 19, 2016, 11:19 PM
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Downvote me all you want ladies
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Re: Wow, Clemson basically turned away a 5* DE
Jan 19, 2016, 8:51 PM
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I posted on this earlier today. I wish we would have gone for 2 DEs too especially with Dodd now gone. I will say Clayton needs to beef up some. We was around 220 range earlier in the year. Kelly is already right at 260
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Re: Wow, Clemson basically turned away a 5* DE
Jan 19, 2016, 8:53 PM
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I personally wanted Clayton over pretty much anyone in this class except Lawrence, S. Smith, and Gary.
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Re: Wow, Clemson basically turned away a 5* DE
Jan 19, 2016, 9:04 PM
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I think long term Kelly is better, but I would have loved to have both. Clayton is like a slightly less athletic V. Beasley and Kelly is like a slightly more athletic S. Lawson. Would have been a nice contrast to give OLs fits. If we get Gary though, it won't bother me as much.
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Re: Wow, Clemson basically turned away a 5* DE
Jan 19, 2016, 9:22 PM
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This is a pretty good assessment. Clayton's explosion jumps off the tape - to me, he's an oversign, especially now that we've lost both DEs
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We have the most 5 stars out of any team in the country
Jan 19, 2016, 8:58 PM
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So what's the problem here? If it's not obvious our coaches know what they're doing, look again.
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Promises Kept
Jan 19, 2016, 8:58 PM
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Good for us - long term.
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What about Steve Fullers son, CJ...
Jan 19, 2016, 9:10 PM
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Can't wait until the Perry Quintuplets are eligible
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Re: What about Steve Fullers son, CJ...
Jan 19, 2016, 9:29 PM
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People still b!tching after a 14-1 season....lol and SMDH
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i'm kinda ok with current recruiting
Jan 19, 2016, 9:31 PM
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literally cannot find anything that i need to beech about
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Re: i'm kinda ok with current recruiting
Jan 19, 2016, 9:57 PM
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I learned many years ago to not get caught up in recruiting ., Don't waste your time and thoughts
on ., Its always going to seem like we missed on some players ,., but In Dabo I trust ,., He has
put good players on the field at all positions ,.,. Have they missed blocks , catches ,. assignments
Yes they have ,.but we won 14 games in a row ,. I was proud of ALL of Them .,
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