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Would anyone ever say to blacks, "Shut up about slavery,
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Would anyone ever say to blacks, "Shut up about slavery,
Jun 23, 2015, 10:04 AM
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it's time to forget it"
Think about it.
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I'm a tad confused with the whole discussion
Jun 23, 2015, 10:38 AM
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I could be wrong, but aren't there a lot of monuments, plaques, street names, etc....that could be considered offensive? Aren't there a number of US presidents that participated in activity that is now considered illegal? Some of them have their faces printed on currency. My question is why is it just the flag that is the problem?
Again, I am just confused with the discussion.
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Re: I'm a tad confused with the whole discussion
Jun 23, 2015, 11:42 AM
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Maybe it would help if you could explain exactly what you think the flag represents.
It's literally a symbol of treason which was brought, in large part, because the south wanted to keep slavery. It is not a symbol of our "southern heritage", it's a shameful part of our history and doesn't need to be glorified.
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Ok, let's say thats true.
Jun 23, 2015, 2:31 PM
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Where do you stop with attempting hide history?
Do we rename the buildings on college campuses, change street names, and tear down buildings that are deemed as offensive? And who gets to state what is offensive and should be hidden from view?
Just wondering where this all ends.
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Re: Ok, let's say thats true.
Jun 23, 2015, 4:16 PM
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This gets brought up every time something like this happens.
1.) This isn't an attempt to "hide history". It's removing a flag that is still being waved around our state capitol even though it has a derogatory meaning. It can be preserved in a museum and in textbooks.
2.) I agree that it can be a touchy subject to determine who says what is and isn't offensive, however this particular case is clear cut. Why can't we simply take each issue as it happens?
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Once a group can force something to get their way
Jun 23, 2015, 7:28 PM
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it won't end there.
I don't care one way or another, but nothing changes whether that flag is there or not. I already have read the comments of getting rid of all the JC Calhoun statues.
Its coming....just wait.
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We cannot refuse to discuss slavery and it's impact.
Jun 24, 2015, 9:48 AM
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In fact, Mauritania, Africa was the last nation to effectively end slavery in 1981. A mere 34 years ago. Today, slavery comes in a different form and is referred to as Human Trafficking. I've witnessed some very severe cases of this in my day.
Imagine this:
You're a small child in some 3rd world nation. You're maybe 7 or 8 years old, and your parents sell you off for a mere equivalency of $500 US Dollars. This is what will happen to you in this scenario.
If you're a male: You will be forced to live as a sweatshop worker. You will never know what it is like to obtain an education or have childhood friends. You'll never attend a sporting event, a school dance, or even attend a church, synagogue, or mosque for that matter. You will spend your entire life working in a factory in which you also live, eat, and sleep. In most severe cases many do not even know what the outside looks like. They are shackled and worked literally until bedtime. If you escape, not only is your family in danger of being killed by your "owners", but a severe beating can result in which there would be no medical treatment for your injuries. The sad part, many of your clothes and other items that you purchase from Wal-Mart, Belks, or your local mall are made by the hands of children in these exact conditions. It's sickening that our government has trade agreements with such nations. Thank you NAFTA. The IPHONE is made by FauxCon in China in a factory where 110,000 workers live in harsh conditions. 40,000 on average commit suicide each year due to the living conditions. The average age of each worker is between 11-14 years of age. Slavery still exist.
If you're a female: The most ungodly things will become of you. You will be taught to provide sexual services at the ripe old age of 8 or 9. Day in and day out around the clock you will sleep with many sick and perverted individuals who have no respect for human life. You will be subjected to humiliation, beatings, and starvation by your "owners" who will promise to free you, but will never deliver on that promise. If you become pregnant then they simply conduct a homemade abortion, and if you acquire an STD then the world may never hear from you again.
Imagine living your entire life as a slave like this. The one life that God gave you, and it's spent in these conditions. A condition where you have no say over your life. Each day will be spent in the worst conditions known to man.
Human Trafficking is the 3rd most prevalent organized crime structure in the world. It falls only behind trafficking of drugs and weapons. Yes, it even happens in America, and you don't have to look too far to see it. All you merely have to do is go on backpage.com and look in the escort section. Most of those women are being prostituted out by some douch'e nozzle that cannot get a real job and support himself. Human Trafficking is serious business people.
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Re: We cannot refuse to discuss slavery and it's impact.
Jun 24, 2015, 11:29 AM
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Taking down the flag isn't addressing the solution of the problems which manifested because of slavery. I don't think anyone is to reinstall a system of slavery again so that's a dead end street.
The most long lasting detriment to blacks from slavery is most likely from their race being prohibited from reading. Knowing that reading is the foundation of education and that being read to early in life is the key to interest in reading, the solution seems obvious.
We've thrown everything including the kitchen sink at education, especially preschool education, but their return on investment hasn't been noticed yet. Social programs including Head Start have grown to include almost every child whose parents will let them attend.
The black leaders who refuse to put their energy into, and bring focus onto, this issue are failing their people. Some don't seem to care about today's problems cause by slavery, instead they find something to grandstand about. It appears that some whites are making a living of doing the same.
"Take down the flag," it sounds good but produces nothing.
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I think Bill Cosby tried once upon a time
Jun 23, 2015, 11:12 AM
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but he was ###### countless numbers of women so not sure the message was received
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Re: Would anyone ever say to blacks, "Shut up about slavery,
Jun 23, 2015, 1:05 PM
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Just like we should tell the Jews to shut up about the Holocaust, right? Just forget about it!
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You could really risk your teeth saying they are
Jun 23, 2015, 4:34 PM
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probably better off than if their ancestors had never been captured. You may want to be a fast talker if you use that. Also, people like to use the buzz word treason this time around. It was not treason. It was a few states that didn't like the way #### was going and wanted to go do their own thing. As far as I know, there was no real interest in the take over of the the Northern states.
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Re: You could really risk your teeth saying they are
Jun 24, 2015, 12:07 PM
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NY also considered leaving the union. They were looking at the economic impact and were considering options.
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Oculus Spirit [93616]
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Yeah, I would.
Jun 23, 2015, 10:18 PM
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You don't hear me crying about the small pox blankets or the trail of tears. Yeah, I'll tell the blacks they've been turned into sheep by politicians and used for political gain and to stop whining.
"Stop whining and take advantage of the opportunity offered to you by the greatest country in history."
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Re: Yeah, I would.
Jun 24, 2015, 11:51 AM
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Wow, unreal. Sure, politicians take advantage but to say that blacks don't have anything to complain about is downright disingenuous.
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Re: Yeah, I would.
Jun 24, 2015, 12:23 PM
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Who said that?
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Re: Yeah, I would.
Jun 24, 2015, 12:24 PM
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Are we five? You just said they should stop whining.
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I guess I'm old and senile.
Jun 24, 2015, 2:20 PM
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As slight as the difference between whining and complaining is, it's significant. Whining definition, to utter a low, usually nasal, complaining cry or sound, as from uneasiness, discontent, peevishness, etc.
Complaining definition: express dissatisfaction or annoyance about a state of affairs or an event.
"local authorities complained that they lacked sufficient resources"
Children whine. Men complain, but you're avoiding my point. "...take advantage of the opportunity offered to you..."
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Re: I guess I'm old and senile.
Jun 24, 2015, 3:06 PM
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> "Children whine. Men complain, but you're avoiding my point. "...take advantage of the opportunity offered to you..."
I think this is the point where you and I will fundamentally disagree. I believe there is a point at which some people do not have the opportunities you think they do. They are in such a deep hole that it's extremely difficult if not impossible to pull themselves out of.
I completely agree that we should all take full responsibility for our actions and work our ##### off, however that is not a guarantee of success or even a guarantee of a a sustainable lifestyle. There are plenty of very hardworking people who can't ahead and it is "societies fault" as you say.
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Re: I guess I'm old and senile.
Jun 24, 2015, 3:55 PM
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After Jimmy Carter empowered the EPA and they shutdown Combustion Engineering where I worked for five years I found myself in government apartments with four children and a growing wife. CE paid me 9.03/hr back in 1974 for labor. I was in line by seniority for a promotion to a job that paid $13+/hr. Never-the-less, after being laid off for over a year and watching CE's nuclear components plant closed to manufacturing and men with 20 years moved to other plants @ the Chatt works we moved to Greenville seeking work.
I worked really hard at sheetrock hanging and finishing but I envisioned my children growing up and falling into the trap of government housing and food stamps. The economy was horrible.
I saw the programs of which I took advantage were addictive to most of the people who lived there and decided to change that. I went to Clemson and tried to apply for admission. Let it suffice to say they didn't admit me but sent me to tech to 'catch up,' on my education.
I enrolled in G'ville Tech at the age of 32 and had my first heart attack and 5 bypass surgery a year later. Having my education interrupted resulted in my taking two years to get through 3 quarters (two semesters) at tech.
I'd set a goal of a Civil Engineering degree and a career in the Army or other military branches. The heart attack made me unfit for service, I guess, I changed directions. I tried to apply to Architecture's Building Science program but 'We don't take transfers in BS program.' I applied to engineering just to get a foot on campus and got an approval within a week after the paperwork.
I spent one semester in engineering and dropped the courses which wouldn't transfer to the BS program. You could transfer from one Clemson college to another back then. I entered the BS program in the Spring of 1986 and attended full time while working for local builders doing residential construction until the Spring of 88 when I took 24 hours. I topped the Spring off with two 9hr summer sessions so that I could graduate without going another full year. Sequential courses forced that approach. I graduated in Aug 6, 1988 and went to work two days later.
It took a long time to crawl out of the safety net America had built but for my family's sake I refused to allow to become a hammock.
I appreciate how difficult crawling out of the mire is for people who are 'disadvantaged,' black and white alike but I'm probably not the person to whine to about hard times. If you complain I'll give you an example of how to deal with them.
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People are certainly capable of relocating to foreign
Jun 24, 2015, 11:49 AM
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lands if they really want to.
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Re: People are certainly capable of relocating to foreign
Jun 24, 2015, 11:52 AM
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You honestly think that in a country where most people couldn't scrounge up $1000 without borrowing it could move to another country easily? Your insane.
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Re: People are certainly capable of relocating to foreign
Jun 24, 2015, 12:00 PM
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You think they couldn't? You have little faith in humanity! Just look at all the folks that enter our country illegal. Now granted many of them saved up for years to pay a mule to sneak them in illegally, while many saved for years to gain citizenship the legal way.
If they can enter illegally in the US, surely they can do the same elsewhere, or save like many do.
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Re: People are certainly capable of relocating to foreign
Jun 24, 2015, 12:10 PM
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i'd love to see you put in a situation with no money and no marketable skills to see how you'd fair moving yourself and family out of the country.
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Re: People are certainly capable of relocating to foreign
Jun 24, 2015, 12:34 PM
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IS it ok if we accept people here illegally in the same situation?
I guarantee you, if people wanted to leave, and had papers to do so, we
would help them! However, most folks have a better life here in the US than anywhere else so they would never leave.
Our assistance programs help a lot of people from all walks of life. it's a helpful safety net, but it is also catch 22. Many become so dependent and afraid to leave once they settle into it. A lot of recipients could do so much more if they weren't afraid of losing
what they have.
I used to work in human services and saw folks that could never do any better and you were glad you could help , but others could do so much better and were milking it for all it was worth!
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Re: People are certainly capable of relocating to foreign
Jun 24, 2015, 3:09 PM
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> IS it ok if we accept people here illegally in the same situation?
No, I think they should have to go through the same process as anyone else.
I am ok with some type ability to work here while they earn their citizenship though provided they are paying their taxes of course.
> I used to work in human services and saw folks that could never do any better and you were glad you could help , but others could do so much better and were milking it for all it was worth!
Were the people that were milking it edge cases or do you think that most people are actually on hard times. I would suspect the former.
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Can you imagine what America would look like if each
Jun 24, 2015, 11:56 AM
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legal citizen had the freedom to remove everything that was offensive to them personally.
After we remove everything that personally offends us, do we just hide in our residences?
Would we eventually just hang tough and make lemonade out of lemons?
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