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NIT. Is there no chance they can go to
Mar 10, 2022, 1:51 PM
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The NIT? I know it’s meainglenss but so are most bowls and it’s good for the program to have more practice and games.
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There are a lot of 20-win teams...
Mar 10, 2022, 2:03 PM
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that will not make the NCAAT so they'll be in the NIT.
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With our record and as bad as the ACC is this year, I doubt
Mar 10, 2022, 2:18 PM
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we make it. Here is our record under Coach Brownell and it matches up with years we have failed to make the postseason.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brad_Brownell
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Re: With our record and as bad as the ACC is this year, I doubt
Mar 10, 2022, 2:43 PM
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Chilling when you look at our records stacked back to back like that. Pitiful. 2015/16 everything fell into place and the ACC was jammed packed. I want to say almost every team went somewhere that year.
As for covid cancel year, we weren't going anywhere, cancelled or not. Who really knows what happens last season had it been a "normal" season with full schedule and fans. So you must put an asterisk by that season.
Who really knows but shyatt might have made the sweet 16 one year had he been given 12 years. Really no way to sugarcoat it.
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Gabe Devoe got hot in the tournament and averaged 25 points
Mar 10, 2022, 3:01 PM
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in those 3 games that year. That was huge. It certainly made Coach B a lot of money.
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Re: With our record and as bad as the ACC is this year, I doubt
Mar 11, 2022, 1:41 PM
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No, I am sorry. Shyatt could not coach a team of all stars to a Sweet Sixteen, much less the caliber of player he recruited to Clemson. Purnell couldn't even make the Sweet Sixteen with much better talent and better coaching acumen.
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Re: With our record and as bad as the ACC is this year, I doubt
Mar 11, 2022, 3:34 PM
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Wasnt the class that Sherrod Ford came in a top 10 class? My memory isnt what it used to be.
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unfortunately for your arguments sake, he's upper echelon
Mar 10, 2022, 5:34 PM
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all-time for Clemson Basketball. 60% is about what Cliff Ellis was and Oliver Purnell and Rick Barnes were while coaching here. Its just who we are and who we always have been. You expecting our next coach to be the next coach K? Guess what, every hire we've ever made we expected this to be "the guy to do it." Had Barnes stuck around for 13 years then we may have been able to make some noise nationally but he knew he didn't want to be here too long b/c it probably wasn't going to happen. They're my favorite basketball team by far but I kinda understand what we can and can't be by now.
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Re: unfortunately for your arguments sake, he's upper echelon
Mar 10, 2022, 5:58 PM
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Barnes left b/c his wife didn't like CLEMSON. He was a good guy, but mama wasn't happy.
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Re: unfortunately for your arguments sake, he's upper echelon
Mar 11, 2022, 2:01 AM
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More to it than that.
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Re: unfortunately for your arguments sake, he's upper echelon
Mar 11, 2022, 1:46 PM
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Ding Ding Ding. Realizing in the recruiting world he was always going to be no better than 3rd banana in the ACC (behind Duke and UNC) and also dealing with the constant inconsistencies with officiating on Tobacco Road were involved as well. And of course there were extraneous issues allegedly. The fact that he laid it all on the public education system in SC when he could more than afford private school for his offspring just left a horrible taste in a lot of Clemson fans' mouths still to this day.
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I live up here, and the rumors
Mar 11, 2022, 8:53 PM
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revolve around the term "coed."
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And worse, he is only 26-48 (35.1%) in 1-score games at
Mar 11, 2022, 3:18 PM
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Clemson (3 points or less differential).
Am posting to knock CBB.
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Re: And worse, he is only 26-48 (35.1%) in 1-score games at
Mar 11, 2022, 7:46 PM
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What is the difference between losing by 1 score or 10?
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Oculus Spirit [76884]
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9,
Mar 11, 2022, 7:58 PM
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Moran.
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Re: And worse, he is only 26-48 (35.1%) in 1-score games at
Mar 11, 2022, 10:59 PM
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Close losses, and wins, IMO involve games that are competitive into the last two minutes or under. Many games are decided before that final flurry. But you know basketball, and once you get inside a few minutes and the score is close enough it is anybody's game then, no matter what happened leading up to get you there. You have to play well of course to make it to that point, and that says something, but those closing minutes are its own game in a way. It could go either way at that point.
The conditions are different here. The urgency of scoring and defending is different as there's little time left to overcome a mistake. Fouling and free throws increase. Plays are often run faster or much slower depending. The players on the floor change often for niche talents. It's an end game, and the winner gets the W just like a blowout and the loser gets an L just like a 10-pointer. But...
If you've made it to this end game, both teams have shown they're capable of winning the game so it's kind of a 50/50 baseline at that point, overall. Skills have established they're even enough up to then, for that night at least, so taking coaching out of the picture, it comes down to dumb luck and whose shots fall and whose don't. Roll the dice a 100 times and it's 50 wins and 50 losses on average there. Now add the coaching back in - who's in, who's fouled, who gets the shot, etc., because that's part of the game - and the results then skew towards the strengths and weaknesses of those calling the shots.
Both the 1 point loss and the 10 point loss are L's just the same. The close losses though were more likely to be wins, because the opportunity was likely there at the end based on the score, and how that end is coached makes a difference when the final second ticks off.
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Re: NIT. Is there no chance they can go to
Mar 10, 2022, 3:56 PM
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No chance. Thank BB for all the big choke losses.
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Re: NIT. Is there no chance they can go to
Mar 10, 2022, 4:36 PM
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I’ll be surprised if the Tigers aren’t invited to the NIT.
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Re: NIT. Is there no chance they can go to
Mar 10, 2022, 4:40 PM
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expect to be suprised then...
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Re: NIT. Is there no chance they can go to
Mar 11, 2022, 1:48 PM
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Yea this isn't the NIT of 1995 when if you had a winning record overall and were in the ACC you got in. Regular season conference champs that don't win their conference tournament get an automatic bid into the NIT now. Therefore there's not a lot of room for Clemson. I saw UVA was projected as a 6 seed in the NIT and Va Tech as a 1 seed. I don't think I recall any other ACC teams in that NIT projection.
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Re: NIT. Is there no chance they can go to
Mar 11, 2022, 1:52 PM
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So there are 32 teams in the NIT. 32+66=98. We are not in the top 98 of basket ball programs. Pathetic. Utterly pathetic.
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I kinda doubt it, not with the ACC so down this year... back
Mar 11, 2022, 11:14 PM
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in the day when the ACC always had a couple of Top 10 teams, and others in the Top 25... and you had to play everybody twice, home & away... yeah, a .500 record or slightly better was a pretty good season. Nowadays, not so much. We're just not very good. Period.
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