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Congrats to JUDGE KELLER for his HOF post on 27th
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Congrats to JUDGE KELLER for his HOF post on 27th


Mar 28, 2022, 6:41 PM

with his heading basically saying he’s been gone awhile & is Coming Back to discuss BB..which he and many others took off on.

He had a remarkable 5150 views and 27 TU’s but it doesn’t come close to his 79 TU’s HOF post from a FOOTBALL subject in 2018!

In the meantime Clemson BB was not represented in any tournament While tiny budgeted & small-time but valiant & scrappy St Pete BB Team went down to Heels..

but they still made it to Final 8.. something Tigers have done just ONCE i believe, about 30 years ago!

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Re: Congrats to JUDGE KELLER for his HOF post on 27th


Mar 28, 2022, 6:46 PM

Judge Keller should stick to selling orange overalls.

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Thanks.


Mar 28, 2022, 9:14 PM

Posting here is much more satisfying though.

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Re: Thanks.


Mar 28, 2022, 9:42 PM

did you learn any new moves while you were away?

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Re: Congrats to JUDGE KELLER for his HOF post on 27th


Mar 28, 2022, 6:57 PM

You talkin' 'bout the JK that lied about the Clemson Va BB game in which he said that hardly any fans showed up? That JK?

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Yeah. That one.***


Mar 28, 2022, 7:00 PM



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I stand by my comments that we should’ve had a better crowd for that game.


Mar 28, 2022, 7:28 PM [ in reply to Re: Congrats to JUDGE KELLER for his HOF post on 27th ]

Lame attempts to regurgitate announced attendance numbers won’t work on me. I remember that game vividly. We should’ve had a sellout, especially since our “fans” were already in Clemson for the football parade. If we can’t sell out a home game against a top 10 team, early in the conference season following a Sweet 16 year, with many fans conveniently in Clemson already for a football parade, then it’s just not gonna happen.

Although that is a bush league move in comparison to one poster who tried to “prove” me wrong by posting a screenshot from the ESPN game summary supposedly showing a packed house. A quick look at the accompanying photo clearly showed that it was from a game against BC during a previous season - the same photo used by ESPN regardless of our opponent. An actual Clemson basketball fan would’ve known that before posting such an amateurish “scolding,” of course.

LOL!!

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Re: I stand by my comments that we should’ve had a better crowd for that game.


Mar 28, 2022, 8:03 PM

I vaquely remember posts on the subject. I wasn't there so I can't unequivocally state an opinion. However, look at any basketball, baseball, or for that matter football and you'll frequently see announced attendance does not match actual attendance. Baseball especially. Box score reads 3000 and it may have actually been 1000.

While I understand your anology and I believe you were there, I don't think the comparison is justified on whether or not Clemson fans support basketball. Clemson will rarely have a packed house, even if they were top 25 ... Unless it's during the holidays or a weekend.

Football was not packed during the West era even playing a top 10 team. Why? There was little belief or hope. So, we have sustained success in basketball, you won't be able to douse the support and enthusiasm. Yes, we had one good year, but Brad hasn't done anything to show said success is obtained under his leadership.

That's my opinion. Now, I have asked you what specific investment (detail) would sustain success. Jimmy and Joes are the only way. What else?

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i was in school during barne's years


Mar 28, 2022, 8:31 PM

it was pretty packed back then

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Re: i was in school during barne's years


Mar 29, 2022, 9:25 AM

Yes it was. There for many of them. But please put my point in context. Win first and ppl will come. Not the other way around.

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I’ve outlined this numerous times.


Mar 28, 2022, 9:27 PM [ in reply to Re: I stand by my comments that we should’ve had a better crowd for that game. ]

I’ll hit the high points here though.

We must start by paying more for assistant coaches. We don’t pay them very much right now compared to most division I programs.

We also need more support staff to help with recruiting, marketing, and other operations.

People here like to compare us to Virginia Tech, and complain that we should be having the success they have in recent seasons. The Hokies spend $2.4 million more per year on their men’s basketball program than we do. That should make you angry. Virginia Tech!

Most ACC schools spend more than we do on men’s basketball. That has to change. At minimum, we should be spending similarly to what FSU, NC State, Pitt, and Miami spend. We are currently spending $1-$3 million a year less than those schools on men’s hoops.

More money spent on assistants and support staff means more capable people scouring recruiting info, helping with film review, organizing practices, and promoting Clemson basketball on social media. All of these things are vital.

In addition to routine program expenses, we should maintain facilities. We did the manor renovations 7 years ago, which were great. The facilities are no longer new, however. The locker room updates last year were great. We need to keep it up with those enhancements to show recruits that facilities are constantly being improved for their benefit.

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Re: I’ve outlined this numerous times.


Mar 28, 2022, 9:33 PM

U. DON’T. KNOW. WHAT. VT. SPENDS!

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Spending per school is not always as it seems. Be careful.


Mar 28, 2022, 11:48 PM

Agree with you.

There are many accounting issues that don’t highlight “true” spending. They may be directionally correct, but they also may have flaws. Stats can be used many ways to “prove” many points of view.
Some schools may share facilities and allocate the cost to one sport or another, thus potentially inflating the cost of that sport. Then, there are OH costs that are misleading. Rent in Miami is clearly different than rent in Clemson. If Miami rents a building for $1m and the same building in Clemson is $.1m - it would appear that Miami spent $900k more on basketball than Clemson, but no real difference. Same for wages for staffers, etc.
the same facility in Clemson - replicated in Syracuse, Miami, etc would be different cost, but exactly the same in facility. If a school has a major capital expenditure - say $30m for math sake - and the useful life is 30 years - then $1m per year is on the books. Or it could be done in less years. That will change the budget numbers.
If the going wage rate at Clemson is $10k lower than an equal position in Miami, Raleigh, Atlanta or South Bend, etc and there are 20 positions - then Clemson would have spent $350k less than the others (fringe cost added) - while nothing else changes.

My point is, how schools account for their expenditures is irrelevant. The total budget cost is irrelevant.
What is relevant are specific items that one school has and the other does not. Those need to be listed and discussed.
All budgets should be bottom up (built). There are no doubt positives and negatives in Clemson’s Basketball budget. There are also non monetary positives and negatives that must also be weighed. Aka, The PAW is now nationwide, recruiting should be easier than ever before (I did not say easy- I said easier). Dabo can help.

I hear what JK and others say about money spent, and directionally, it may be right, but it also may not be. It is not as simple as looking up the numbers and saying Clemson spends the 0th in the ACC - thus if we finish 9th, we over achieved.

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Re: Spending per school is not always as it seems. Be careful.


Mar 29, 2022, 6:28 AM

I have challenged JK many times to name a single thing that Brownell lacks or that has been denied to him and it’s crickets. Even with assistant salaries - there is no indication that he’s been denied a better budget. In 12 years there has not been a single rumor of moving on from a candidate because we couldn’t meet the financial demands of a prospective employee. If Brad truly wants to build a winner and has been stymied by the AD then that should have become apparent. JK also presented a new fallacy - that Brad avoids mentioning these things so he doesn’t get fired like Danny Ford. Danny didn’t get fired for mentioning something he wanted. He actively fundraised for an athletic dorm that he was told wouldn’t be compliant with NCAA rules. A huge difference.

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Jstone D329 - “ It’s ok to want a coaching change”
Brownell @Clemson: 8 seasons ranked 50th or worse by Sports Reference’s SRS
1-29: Brad Brownell road record against ranked ACC opponents
142, 161, 294, 307, 293, 166, 225, 180, 260, 164, 141, 72, 68 - assist rankings amongst all D1 programs during Brownell's tenure


Re: Spending per school is not always as it seems. Be careful.


Mar 29, 2022, 9:25 AM

All excellent points.

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Re: I stand by my comments that we should’ve had a better crowd for that game.


Mar 28, 2022, 8:39 PM [ in reply to I stand by my comments that we should’ve had a better crowd for that game. ]

Continuing to lie on this topic. I posted the YouTube video of the ACC Network Game Recap video. Not a screenshot. Not arguments over announced attendance. Video that shows clear as day that you were lying because of your agenda.

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Jstone D329 - “ It’s ok to want a coaching change”
Brownell @Clemson: 8 seasons ranked 50th or worse by Sports Reference’s SRS
1-29: Brad Brownell road record against ranked ACC opponents
142, 161, 294, 307, 293, 166, 225, 180, 260, 164, 141, 72, 68 - assist rankings amongst all D1 programs during Brownell's tenure


Judge Keller


Mar 28, 2022, 6:59 PM

I don’t really agree with a lot of his views. He can be smug and arrogant. He can cherry pick stats, avoid inconvenient facts and even flat out lie about something to push his narrative. He will belittle anyone who disagrees with him. He has a lot of negative posting traits BUT

I like the Judge. He’s passionate about basketball. Occasionally he finds a sense of humor. Most of all he generates some good traffic on the board. A lot of the posts surrounding him are hilarious. Whether it’s him just messing with someone, someone just messing with him, someone calling him out for bull or him defending Brownell like a captain going down with his ship the Judge and the responses to the Judge provide some quality Tnet entertainment.

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Re: Judge Keller


Mar 28, 2022, 7:05 PM

JK is fine with me. Keep on posting Brother. To those who comment negatively, find something to do.

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Thanks, but I haven’t lied about anything.


Mar 28, 2022, 7:36 PM [ in reply to Judge Keller ]

Glad you are entertained!

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Mar 28, 2022, 7:49 PM



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Maybe I’m not being fair with saying you lied.


Mar 28, 2022, 8:04 PM [ in reply to Thanks, but I haven’t lied about anything. ]

Just post some good footage of the game to clear your name with the good folks here on Tnet. I’m sure it’s easy to find. That will definitely show us that fans either did or didn’t show up for the game. I will be anxious to see it.

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With all due respect, I don’t need to “clear my name.”


Mar 28, 2022, 9:18 PM

Two decades of posting my unwavering support of our basketball program on TigerNet should have earned me the benefit of the doubt.

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Re: With all due respect, I don’t need to “clear my name.”


Mar 28, 2022, 9:32 PM

So you were enthusiastic about Purnell till he left with your “unwavering support?” Cause you sure don’t have anything nice to say now. Gonna throw Brownell under the bus the second he’s gone too?

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Jstone D329 - “ It’s ok to want a coaching change”
Brownell @Clemson: 8 seasons ranked 50th or worse by Sports Reference’s SRS
1-29: Brad Brownell road record against ranked ACC opponents
142, 161, 294, 307, 293, 166, 225, 180, 260, 164, 141, 72, 68 - assist rankings amongst all D1 programs during Brownell's tenure


Clear your name is a bad choice of words.


Mar 28, 2022, 9:43 PM [ in reply to With all due respect, I don’t need to “clear my name.” ]

Clearing the air about a particular matter is a better choice of words. Either way you look at it there is one sure fire simple way you can lay this thing to rest. For the record whether you’re right or wrong isn’t going to change my opinion about you.

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You unequivocally lied about the attendance at the Virginia


Mar 28, 2022, 8:37 PM [ in reply to Thanks, but I haven’t lied about anything. ]

game. Double down on it repeatedly. Disappeared for months after being busted and are no ignoring the posters calling you out. You’re a fraud.

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Jstone D329 - “ It’s ok to want a coaching change”
Brownell @Clemson: 8 seasons ranked 50th or worse by Sports Reference’s SRS
1-29: Brad Brownell road record against ranked ACC opponents
142, 161, 294, 307, 293, 166, 225, 180, 260, 164, 141, 72, 68 - assist rankings amongst all D1 programs during Brownell's tenure


I'll say this...


Mar 28, 2022, 7:48 PM [ in reply to Judge Keller ]

you may not agree with his opinion or his take on a particular topic but not once in all the time I have been a member of this forum can I recall him lying about anything.

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Re: I'll say this...


Mar 28, 2022, 8:27 PM

I would agree and his opinions are consistent. YOu know where he is coming from whether you agree or disagree

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Re: I'll say this...


Mar 28, 2022, 8:42 PM [ in reply to I'll say this... ]

He’s lied about a great number of topics but he usually trolls effectively dancing around the margins of subjectivity. He was caught lying explicitly about the attendance at the Virginia game. He has tried to claim that announced attendance is inaccurate and photos were stock. What he was not counting on was an extensive ACC Network game recap video that shows every assertion he made was, in fact, a lie. Perhaps coincidence, but he quit posting immediately after I posted that video and is now ignoring me and refusing to address that video.

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Jstone D329 - “ It’s ok to want a coaching change”
Brownell @Clemson: 8 seasons ranked 50th or worse by Sports Reference’s SRS
1-29: Brad Brownell road record against ranked ACC opponents
142, 161, 294, 307, 293, 166, 225, 180, 260, 164, 141, 72, 68 - assist rankings amongst all D1 programs during Brownell's tenure


There is a difference between lying and mistaken.***


Mar 29, 2022, 8:11 AM



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Being mistaken is fine, just admit it. The problem is jk was


Mar 29, 2022, 8:20 AM

Presented with multiple facts about the subject and continued to deny them. Once you double and triple down on incorrect information after being presented with facts you’ve become a liar.

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Re: Judge Keller


Mar 28, 2022, 8:34 PM [ in reply to Judge Keller ]

I whole heartedly agree, and I personally like Judge Keller, and no doubt in my mind, the man dearly loves Clemson, and Clemson sports, like me, to a fault!!!

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