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Will Auburn run mostly man or zone defense???
Sep 6, 2017, 9:06 AM
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I think both but mostly zone to keep KB from taking off.
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Didn't he run almost exclusively man at Clemson?***
Sep 6, 2017, 9:10 AM
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Re: Didn't he run almost exclusively man at Clemson?***
Sep 6, 2017, 9:34 AM
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I seem to recall when Steele was at Clemson he ran a mix of the two. Kind of like a hybrid system. I think they called it something like a "Sticky Zone" concept if my memory serves me right. This is also why his system had some holes in it and was exploited by some offenses (see WVU). Because it takes good athletes that understand the system to run it. And for whatever reason the coaches could not relate this to the players effectively. I do not know if he has moved past that scheme or if he has better perfected it, but if my memory serves me right this was what he ran mostly when he was here.
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seemed to be mostly the 2-3 zone against WV***
Sep 6, 2017, 9:39 AM
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Re: seemed to be mostly the 2-3 zone against WV***
Sep 6, 2017, 9:46 AM
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Wrong his scheme against WV was stand back and get out of the way and let their offence gas its'self.
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I think he will run for his life if he's smart.
Sep 6, 2017, 9:54 AM
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He's going to be beaten badly in Death Valley on Saturday.
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Re: Will Auburn run mostly man or zone defense???
Sep 6, 2017, 2:03 PM
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Kevin Steele has an old school defensive strategy: man to man with big, strong guys. Its a defensive scheme founded purely on physical strength. The idea is the it doesnt matter how fast the other offense is if they arent big enough to overcome the man to man strength of Steele's defense.
However, this strategy only works with a team that has a very run heavy, hard nose style of offense.
Remember, Steele HATED the No huddle, finesse offenses we used to have. This was a common source of conflict in our coaching staff, because Steele's philosophy didnt mate well with the offensive philosophy, and thus Steele felt that he was out of his element and thus couldnt find a way to be effective on our staff.
This is coming from Steele himself, post 2011 Orange Bowl.
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Re: Will Auburn run mostly man or zone defense???
Sep 6, 2017, 2:28 PM
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> Kevin Steele has an old school defensive strategy:
> man to man with big, strong guys. Its a defensive
> scheme founded purely on physical strength. The idea
> is the it doesnt matter how fast the other offense is
> if they arent big enough to overcome the man to man
> strength of Steele's defense.
>
> However, this strategy only works with a team that
> has a very run heavy, hard nose style of offense.
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> Remember, Steele HATED the No huddle, finesse
> offenses we used to have. This was a common source of
> conflict in our coaching staff, because Steele's
> philosophy didnt mate well with the offensive
> philosophy, and thus Steele felt that he was out of
> his element and thus couldnt find a way to be
> effective on our staff.
>
> This is coming from Steele himself, post 2011 Orange
> Bowl.
Yup. Steele actually defended us surprisingly well last year but he does not do well against either spread attacks or attacks with running QB's...he might as well have never even seen the freakin' Air Raid for all the good he did defending it in the Orange Bowl Debacle That Will Live In Infamy.
He does play some zone, but he much prefers man. And he just plain doesn't see many attacks that will confound him there in the SEC where most teams still run those run-heavy attacks, so we'll see how it goes this time around. It certainly doesn't look like he's adapted much. Last year against spread teams with mobile QB's, his D got lit the F up. Against those teams, here's how Steele did last year:
*Auburn's D gave up 400 yards of offense to us, and we played some BAD football that night.
*Auburn's D gave up 478 total yards of offense - 247 rushing, 231 rushing - and 29 points to Texas A&M in a 29-16 loss last year. That was courtesy of Trevor Knight, not exactly a tremendous passer.
*Auburn's D gave up a staggering 570 yards of offense to Chad Kelly and Ole Miss...though they still won 40-29 because Ole Miss turned the ball over and gave up 554 yards of O themselves.
*Auburn's D then gave up 524 yards and 35 points to Oklahoma and Baker Mayfield in a 35-19 Sugar Bowl loss.
So no, it does not look like Kevin Steele has learned much of anything. And these sort of offenses still appear to be moving up and down the field at will on him.
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Re: Will Auburn run mostly man or zone defense???
Sep 6, 2017, 3:13 PM
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I'm pretty sure he's adjusted ... LOL!
We faced multiple nu huddle teams ... He had a Top 10 D last year after facing MOSTLY HUNH Offenses.
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Re: Will Auburn run mostly man or zone defense???
Sep 6, 2017, 3:41 PM
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> I'm pretty sure he's adjusted ... LOL!
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> We faced multiple nu huddle teams ... He had a Top 10
> D last year after facing MOSTLY HUNH Offenses.
Apologies. I seem to have forgotten the Mississippi State game. They run a HUNH and you guys did handle them 38-14 last year.
Of course, Mississippi State was terrible last year and was 6-7 and only got a bowl because of some odd wrinkle that allowed 5-7 teams into bowl games, but hey, nevermind.
Other than that, the stats clearly show Auburn struggled...and sorry, Auburn had more talent on defense last year than this year. You lost Mont Adams and Carl Lawson off your D-line - and yes, they were your two best players despite the fact that you've got some pretty good DL returning - and you also lost DB's Rudy Ford and Josh Holsey to the NFL.
Which is kinda fascinating. Because mostly in the SEC you're going to run into run-oriented offense. UGA, LSU, Vandy, Arkansas, and especially Alabama were assuredly not HUNH or anything resembling it. Steele always did fair-to-decent against those kinda O's.
By the way, Auburn somehow managed a Top-10 scoring D in terms of points allowed. In terms of total D Auburn was a good bit worse, ranking just 28th overall...which is pretty typical of Kevin Steele, actually. And a telling stat is that Auburn ranked 67th nationally against the pass, and really wasn't all that great against the run either, averaging 27th overall.
What that tells you is that that Top-10 scoring defense was a bit of an aberration, and teams left a lot of points on the field. Certainly Clemson did.
Actually the more I dig the less impressive Auburn really looks.
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Re: Will Auburn run mostly man or zone defense???
Sep 6, 2017, 3:24 PM
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Mostly Zone with a running QB
If you had a pocket passer he'd mix it up more.
#6 is a great cover corner. ... doesn't get the ball thrown much his way (Probably go pro early this year)
#12 is one I'm hoping to see a lot of, he went to OSU, was injured, transferred to us, and had another injury last year ... He's listed as Co Starter. Jamel Dean is his name Big 6'2 CB that can fly
Our Safeties are all Sr.s Both SS & FS are Multi year starters in Matthews and Roberts, 2 Sr Backups
and a couple of Soph that played well last year in back up rolls.
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Sep 6, 2017, 3:39 PM
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Re: Will Auburn run mostly man or zone defense???
Sep 6, 2017, 4:24 PM
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Steele plays almost exclusively man to man, rarely does he play in a zone. It infuriated us when he was here because a good running QB would not take long to notice the entire secondary had their backs to him and would just take off for 25 yards.
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Re: Will Auburn run mostly man or zone defense???
Sep 6, 2017, 4:36 PM
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If Auburn plays press man, we will absolutely destroy them. They're more likely to play nickel zone with a spy on Kelly - and we'll destroy that, too. We've got 3-4 good QBs, 4-6 good RBs, 3 good TEs a very good O-line with depth and about 103 good WRs. There is nothing..... nothing..... Auburn can do about it.
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