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Why is Notre Dame not a full member of ACC?
Aug 1, 2014, 11:17 AM
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The numbers don't make sense...unless someone has an explanation.
Notre Dame signed a 10 year deal with NBC in 2013 that will pay them $15 million a year.
The ACC paid out about $19.6 million to each school recently.
Notre Dame will obviously get some money from ACC for non-football sports, so let's add another $5 million to Notre Dame's $15 million from NBC and we get $20 million in revenue for Notre Dame.
OK, so Notre Dame still makes a little more as an independent in football, but consider this.....
When Notre Dame first signed their deal with NBC back in the 90's it was considered an unbelievable deal that would financially separate Notre Dame from the rest of college football. Now we see what kind of money these conference networks are bringing in.
The most recent numbers I see from the Big Ten is a payout of $25.7 million per school with about $8 million coming from the Big Ten Network.
NBC only pays for Notre Dame football, and really that's all Notre Dame has to sell and there is only 7 per year that NBC wants to or can buy. The NBC contract with Notre Dame can never be the size of a conference contract with a network if for no other reason than because Notre Dame doesn't have enough product for a network to buy.
Now we get news of the SEC Network having a more successful launch than any of the other conference networks and even more successful than the NFL Network. You can look up the predicted numbers for the SEC Network and per school payouts, but right now the predictions are about $20 million per school. This is on top of the $20 million each school already receives from the conference. In 2-3 years after launch of the SEC Network the total payout per school from the SEC is predicted to be $40-$42 million.
So why is Notre Dame not a full member of the ACC? Is this the reason Swofford is slow to form an ACC Network, because he is waiting for Notre Dame to realize their own foolishness? Think what Notre Dame brings as a full member of the ACC and what the ACC could command for an ACC Network.
It seems that a couple of years of Notre Dame seeing Big 10 schools and SEC schools swamp them in revenue because of conference networks, Notre Dame may seek to get out of the NBC contract and become a full member of the ACC.
Am I missing something here? Thoughts?
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independence > $s, they gave gawd a loan to buy a new
Aug 1, 2014, 11:20 AM
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rv.
they don't need the money. them catholics are rolling in it. what they cherish most of all is the perch on high their football program currently enjoys.
take away their spot at the table for the playoffs and they'll join a conference in football.
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Aug 1, 2014, 11:22 AM
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:^()***
Aug 1, 2014, 11:23 AM
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Catholic $Billion$.....***
Aug 1, 2014, 11:20 AM
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Re: Why is Notre Dame not a full member of ACC?
Aug 1, 2014, 11:23 AM
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It's simple, really:
Because they don't need to be. They have the luxury of having enough money to be independent. They like flexibility with their schedule, as they like to get around the country as much as possible.
I don't like Notre Dame, but I understand their want to stay independent. If we were in their position we would want the same thing so that we could get rid of half our boring ACC schedule.
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Because they are God's Gift to Football and the NCAA
Aug 1, 2014, 11:34 AM
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and media will never tell them otherwise.
They're going to have to join the ACC at some point in football.
It may take them missing out on the "playoffs" to do it but it's going to happen eventually.
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Re: Because they are God's Gift to Football and the NCAA
Aug 1, 2014, 11:44 AM
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No. Notre Dame's schedule is plenty strong. I would say it used to be questionable, not anymore. They play a tough schedule. If they win out, they'll be in the Top 4-- without a doubt.
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No conference = no conference championship game
Aug 1, 2014, 5:06 PM
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They'll be playing one less game than everyone else (except Big 12).
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Because you aren't comparing apples to apples
Aug 1, 2014, 11:36 AM
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You are comparing total ACC comp to just the NBC portion of ND's comp. ND gets other income from other sources, they play their home games on NBC what about their other games, etc etc.
Notre Dame all in is a lot more than ACC compensation.
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Re: Because you aren't comparing apples to apples
Aug 1, 2014, 11:46 AM
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And when they go to Bowls, they share the proceeds with no one.
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The only way Notre Dame would have been forced to join
Aug 1, 2014, 11:49 AM
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a conference for football was if the "Big 5" had colluded to keep them out unless they joined one of them as an full member. This probably would have worked, but there's a chance that ND would have felt just fine sticking all their other sports in the AAC.
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as of now, the big12ish & nd will play 12 game reg. seasons
Aug 1, 2014, 12:23 PM
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while the other "likely" playoff participants will play 13.
that's no bueno & imagine that will be addressed.
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Re: That wasn't going to happen
Aug 1, 2014, 12:39 PM
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That's exactly the point I was making.
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Why
Aug 1, 2014, 12:15 PM
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hasn't NBC pushed for them to be in the ACC and capitalized on being the ACC network since it is available on basic and cable TV? If they want a greater share of the college football cash, I see it being a win win win for NBC, Notre Dame (barf) and the ACC.
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Because
Aug 1, 2014, 12:31 PM
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NBC can't get the ACC until the contract comes open in 2027.
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Ideal world
Aug 1, 2014, 12:45 PM
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Norte Dame joins the ACC in football along with Penn State who already has many natural rivals in the new ACC and is not in the best graces currently. The ACC could then work out a blockbuster TV deal similar to what SEC has with NBC covering the biggest ACC home game of the week, ESPN/ABC networks getting next picks, and everything else on an ACC network. The ACC is best all around in non-football sports and adding to huge name football programs would be huge. It would have much more nation wide appeal then any other conference could offer. True more equal North and South divisions (everything N and S of NC-VA line) could form.
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Re: Ideal world
Aug 1, 2014, 1:54 PM
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Agree. That's a "perfect world" scenario. ND + PSU would give us 16 and the conference would be the best in the land in hoops and arguably the best in football. Plus, it would give the ACC two more markets that aren't part of the existing footprint.
Also, this would be a dream for Penn State: They would get Pitt & Syracuse back on the schedule every season-- two of their REAL rivals, not the manufactured ones they have in the Big 10. Additionally, the conference could be split North & South and there would be some semblance of power, especially with ND, PSU, and Va Tech all in the "North" and FSU, Miami, Clemson, and GT in the "South".
It really would be perfect.
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I'd ask the pope
Aug 1, 2014, 2:00 PM
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not TNet.
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Re: I'd ask the pope
Aug 1, 2014, 2:32 PM
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I don't think the Pope would be cool with being in same conference as Penn State.......
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If you were ND, would you want to equally share
Aug 1, 2014, 3:32 PM
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revenue with Boston College and Wake Forest?
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Aug 1, 2014, 3:42 PM
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Why would they? They take more than they give. Classic....***
Aug 1, 2014, 8:38 PM
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Re: Why would they? They take more than they give. Classic....***
Aug 1, 2014, 8:44 PM
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The Penn State ship sailed for certain when the Big Ten added Maryland and Rutgers. Penn State traditionally does most of their damage in recruiting in Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Maryland, and Ohio. Those states are all Big Ten now. No way they ever leave.
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Re: Why would they? They take more than they give. Classic....***
Aug 1, 2014, 11:46 PM
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There is no chance that Penn State is coming to the ACC.
ND is not a full member of the ACC because they don't have to be. If and when they have to join a conference I would still bet on it being the Big 10. The Big 10 would simply never let them remain independent in football yet be able to take a conference bowl bid.
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