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All-TigerNet [11113]
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Why the Trenton Simpson targeting call was BS
Sep 22, 2021, 10:20 AM
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If you look in slow motion the quarterback got sandwiched between Simpson and Xavier Thomas. Simpsons intent was to tackle him, not spear him. Once the resistance of Xavier Thomas in the back stopped Simpsons force from the front this caused Simpson to slide up under the helmet of the QB.
I think circumstances like this should result in 2 tiers for the targeting penalty. Kind of like you have running into the kicker vs roughing the kicker.
And as long as we are taking about targeting, don’t forget what NC State did to Wayne Gallman and got away with it.
https://youtu.be/TA1NycdCqUU
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Re: Why the Trenton Simpson targeting call was BS
Sep 22, 2021, 10:41 AM
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You can't convince me that the QB's helmet flying off didn't draw the call and it being upheld. ABC/ESPN's horrible cameras were so blurry you couldn't see anything specific from the hit (or any other replay for that matter).
There were no other aspects of targeting unless they claimed forcible contact to the head or neck area.
My biggest problem with that line of thinking is that the QB's chin strap was not buckled. The hit was delivered to the chest and his helmet would have remained on if buckled properly.
So a player wearing his equipment improperly provoked an official to throw a flag that had a Clemson player ejected from the game.
What a completely ridiculous rule that has somehow avoided any correction or modification since being implemented!
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Legend [16470]
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His helmet came off again later in the game when hit lower.
Sep 22, 2021, 2:08 PM
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Helmet just loose in general.
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CU Medallion [53691]
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These kids today can slide their helmet on and off without
Sep 22, 2021, 2:18 PM
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even unbuckling the chin strap. So, it is nothing when it pops off now.
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Targeting is a ridiculous, un-needed rule, and this sort
Sep 22, 2021, 10:50 AM
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of thing keeps happening which is just absolutely absurd.
What is the defender supposed to do? A lot of the time they are trying to put their hat on the ball and make sure they are lower than the other guy's pads/helmet. Then the offensive player lowers their head into the tackle and boom - targeting on the defense. What the heck?
There was already a rule for spearing (launching yourself at the opponent with your helmet) and there was already the ability for an official to expel a player based on their judgement. Targeting is just more communism screwing over America.
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Re: Targeting is a ridiculous, un-needed rule, and this sort
Sep 22, 2021, 11:36 AM
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Yeah, the communist definitely did this…
Maybe not everything has to be about your political party.
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All-TigerNet [10849]
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get a sense of humor.
Sep 22, 2021, 11:44 AM
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Communist = anyone against football. It's a joke.
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Re: get a sense of humor.
Sep 22, 2021, 12:32 PM
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With all respect, I would say that poster clearly dosnt know you lol.
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Re: get a sense of humor.***
Sep 22, 2021, 7:30 PM
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Re: get a sense of humor.
Sep 22, 2021, 7:30 PM
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Make funnier jokes.
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Legend [15730]
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I think they need to make targeting a 15 yarder and be
Sep 22, 2021, 11:10 AM
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done with it. Refs can toss a kid if they think he did something to deliberately cause harm. But no one serious can argue that Simpson’s tackle was dirty or malicious.
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Re: Why the Trenton Simpson targeting call was BS
Sep 22, 2021, 11:18 AM
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The targeting rule is actually pretty simple and I’ve been correct just about every time I see it called. If the guy lowers his helmet and leads with the crown it is over. He is done. Doesn’t matter where he hits the opposing player. If he lowers his head it is done.
What I’m wondering is why they don’t call it on running backs who lower their heads and deliver a blow at the end of runs.
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How do you hit with your shoulder pads
Sep 22, 2021, 12:11 PM
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without the helmet making contact first? Hugging? The rule is absurd and the consequences are way too severe for a subjective call. You may get it right every time but there’s often some discrepancy between what’s called/upheld on the field vs what the rules analyst sees on TV. There shouldn’t be any dispute about what’s seen or interpretation of the rules if a player is being disqualified and having to sit out the next half.
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CU Guru [1577]
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Not as hard as it seems.
Sep 22, 2021, 12:32 PM
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Think of it this way; if the defender weren’t wearing a helmet, how would he tackle? He certainly wouldn’t LEAD with the crown of his head. Players are taught to tackle with their facemask when tackling straight up and to tackle with their head and shoulder from an angle. Have you ever seen practice footage of defenders running into tackle dummies with the top of their helmets?
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CU Guru [1797]
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I’ve never seen
Sep 22, 2021, 1:42 PM
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Tackling dummies move vertically to avoid fumbling or getting squared up. Form tackling can be taught to perfection and by the book using a static object. However at game speed this same form can lead to an ejection due to the offensive player changing angles that a defender cannot react to. Punishment doesn’t fit the penalty. Also, leading with the crown isn’t the only definition of targeting. Player can lead with his face mask and still be penalized. Terrible rule. Good intentions but terrible execution.
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CU Guru [1577]
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You’re correct, players move.
Sep 22, 2021, 1:57 PM
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That’s why you keep your head up and tackle with your eyes. In 95% of targeting calls the defensive player is staring straight at the ground as they make the tackle. You’re also right that they can tackle with their facemask and still be called for targeting; if they run their facemask directly into the helmet of defenseless player.
I do agree that the punishment could be modified to make the ejection at the discretion of the officials.
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Re: Why the Trenton Simpson targeting call was BS
Sep 22, 2021, 12:24 PM
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The tendency of ball carriers to lead with their helmets is perhaps the most damning critique of the current targeting rule. It’s a double standard - defenders have to somehow divert their momentum and play more tentatively while massive running backs are using their helmets like heat-seeking missiles.
It’s a great example of the saying “the road to Clumbya is paved with good intentions”
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CU Guru [1577]
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Fully agree
Sep 22, 2021, 12:42 PM
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Why have we never seen a coach throw a challenge on this and press the issue?
Linebacker and RB meet on the hole and both execute essentially the same motions, yet the LB is the one tossed.
I’ve wondered the same about offensive players stiff arming under a facemask and not being called.
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Fully agree
Sep 22, 2021, 12:42 PM
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Why have we never seen a coach throw a challenge on this and press the issue?
Linebacker and RB meet on the hole and both execute essentially the same motions, yet the LB is the one tossed.
I’ve wondered the same about offensive players stiff arming under a facemask and not being called.
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CU Guru [1577]
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I completely agree on both points.
Sep 22, 2021, 12:39 PM
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While it sucks to sit out a game, it’s a fairly easy rule to enforce. Tackle with your eyes, not your head and you will never be called for targeting.
Anyone who has played football knows the difference between making a tackle and laying a hit. Anyone who has ever laid those hits will also freely admit that ever single time they did it, their head went down. Again, it’s easy to enforce and easy to avoid. To quote True Detective, “If you play a mans game, you pay a mans price.”
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Re: Why the Trenton Simpson targeting call was BS
Sep 22, 2021, 11:27 AM
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Stupid rule if not enforced the same everywhere. They had good intentions when they created it, but the enforcement by the refs make it a big problem.
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