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Why the refs look on the side line before placing the ball
Jan 2, 2017, 5:31 AM
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There was a play where Ohio state was stopped inches from first and the player was pushed back few yards .. If u noticed , the ref retrieved the ball the point where the OSU was pushed back to and as he was waking back to spot the ball, he was eyeing the side lines presumably for the first down mark. At that moment , I thought he will intentially misplace the ball and sure enough, it was 1st down instead of fourth down . Dabo called a timeout to allow the booth to review but nothing happened was surprised why the challenge flag was not thrown...
What purpose does it serve to have the ref place ball as he eyeing the sidelines and should the ncaa disallow the refs from doing so?
Finally why Dabo did not challenge ??
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Orange Blooded [2663]
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my guess would be that it's because there's no one
Jan 2, 2017, 6:19 AM
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on the play who actually managed to see exactly where the runner's forward progress was, and so it becomes a bit of a guess. As crazy as it may seem, I suspect that a large part of what happens on a football field, as far as officiating goes, contains elements of guesswork to it. If you'll notice, late in the game a Clemson receiver got hauled down without having made the first-down line, and the refs did the same thing. I too wondered why Dabo didn't throw the challenge flag, but I'm guessing that experience has taught coaches that challenging spots almost never works.
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You're right about the guesswork
Jan 2, 2017, 6:33 AM
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like when a punt goes out of bounds in the air,
they look to see where it lands and where it was
kicked from and guess the yard mark accordingly.
Or pileups on short yardage situations, do they
pick the middle of the pile for the spot or if
it crossed the goal line?
Or fumble recovery pileups. They seem to decide
by who has the ball last after the pile is unpiled.
It could have been taken away from whoever actually
recovered it.
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Actually on punts that go out of bounds
Jan 2, 2017, 7:28 AM
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The official behind the punter 'lines up'/positions himself behind the punter and watches where the ball lands; the/a side judge walks up that sideline and is signaled to stop when he is in line with where the ball landed. Okay, not precise, but pretty darned close!
hth
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Orange Blooded [2432]
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still -- why allow them to look at the side line?
Jan 2, 2017, 6:33 AM
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Understand sometimes it is an approximation but why allow them to look for the marker or te sideline and then to place the ball?
I did see that they returned the favor and gave us a good spot..
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I didn't like the spot, however...
Jan 2, 2017, 7:07 AM
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If you watch ball placements after each play, the Linesman official will mark a spot on the sideline where he saw the play end. At that point the Umpire will look to the sideline and place the ball according to where the Linesman has his foot. The Umpire is not spotting the ball according to the marker. This does not mean the Linesman doesn't have the wrong spot. I'm just explaining why the Umpire looks to the sideline.
On the play in question, the Linesman got it wrong. It probably would have been overturned with replay, but I'm sure someone in the coaches booth told Dabo, during the timeout, that it was too close to challenge.
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too close to challange yet 100% obvious that he never
Jan 2, 2017, 7:15 AM
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went over the line. Even if you take the furthest point the ball ever was, it was not a first down.
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I agree it should have been challenged.
Jan 2, 2017, 7:28 AM
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Someone was in Dabo's ear saying not to challenge. I'm sure he will be in their ear after they review the game film.
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Re: I didn't like the spot, however...
Jan 2, 2017, 8:27 AM
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I should have read this before I posted. Great explanation.
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Question: Isbthere actually a 'challenge'
Jan 2, 2017, 8:06 AM
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Doesn't the replay booth make the decision to review, and the coach can 'only question a call or make the case with the onfield officials'?
Personally thought the spot was generous by almost a yard and didn't see why it wasn't reviewed. Pretty noisy at my place, but thought Herbstreit said if it was a possession play - or gave a first down - it WAS reviewable....
Bottom Line: Glad it didn't matter - just ask Michigan!
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Re: Why the refs look on the side line before placing the ball
Jan 2, 2017, 8:20 AM
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The lip reader that I was watching the game with seem to think that Dabo was asking if it would be another timeout. .. probably concerning the challenge and if he lost the challenge.
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Re: Why the refs look on the side line before placing the ball
Jan 2, 2017, 8:25 AM
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On that play, the umpire spotted the ball. When he looked to the sidelines, he was looking for the side judge, as they stand on the sideline so they have the best view to spot the ball. When he saw the side judge, he was shown where to spot the ball. He wasn't looking at the first down marker until after the ball was spotted. This happens all the time when the play ends in the middle of the field, the umpire spots the ball instead of the side judge.
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110%er [7459]
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exactly. And there is no challenge
Jan 2, 2017, 8:30 AM
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like the pros. It's the replay officials job to buzz them, take a look and correct. Dabo called timeout in hopes of those clowns seeing what was a horrendous spot. They failed miserably and we are fortunate it didn't cost us.
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And without that mistake and the 2 interference
Jan 2, 2017, 8:50 AM
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calls, they would have only made six 1st downs in the entire game- total defensive dominance,
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Re: And without that mistake and the 2 interference
Jan 2, 2017, 9:00 AM
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The Michigan forum's take on that whole missed spot fiasco was hilarious. The Mich fan's hate for Ohio St. knows no bounds. I like that about them.
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Re: exactly. And there is no challenge
Jan 2, 2017, 8:58 AM
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It blows my mind how terrible replay officials have been all year, all throughout college football. I watched so many games this year where it should have been a no brainier stoppage of play to take a look at something, and they never did. Or where they stopped play to look at something that was so blatantly obvious, there was no need for replay. I mean why even have replay if you're not going to use it? Crazy.
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Re: Why the refs look on the side line before placing the ball
Jan 2, 2017, 8:58 AM
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Coach Dabo according to the pundits waited for about 20 seconds into the timeout before considering the challenge. The Zebra told him it would cost him another timeout to continue with the challenge. He opted not to use the second timeout.
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Re: Why the refs look on the side line before placing the ball
Jan 2, 2017, 9:30 AM
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I do not think there is a "challenge" in college football as it is in the pros. In college, you call timeout in hopes that replay will review the call.
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Re: Why the refs look on the side line before placing the ball
Jan 2, 2017, 10:15 AM
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A head coach can challenge a call in college as well.
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