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Re: Why is BLM not rioting over the last year
Jan 19, 2022, 11:35 AM
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More black people were shot by police in 2021 than in 2020.
Maybe I'm misreading the chart you linked us to, but it doesn't look like more black people were shot in 2021. It looks like the number of unknowns remains too high to know the right answer.
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Re: Why is BLM not rioting over the last year
Jan 19, 2022, 12:11 PM
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Meant to say more black people shot in 2020 than 2019
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Without even clicking the link, the headline appears
Jan 19, 2022, 11:37 AM
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to be "Officers charged in shooting death". Protests happen when there are obvious miscarriages of justice (an officer executing a citizen and not being charged, for example). This should be pretty obvious to most people, I would think.
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Re: Without even clicking the link, the headline appears
Jan 19, 2022, 12:13 PM
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to be "Officers charged in shooting death". Protests happen when there are obvious miscarriages of justice (an officer executing a citizen and not being charged, for example). This should be pretty obvious to most people, I would think.
Why did a Wendy's get burned down the day after a black man was shot in the parking lot when he fought cops, ran away, and aimed a taser at the cops head?
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Probably because an individual set it on fire.
Jan 19, 2022, 12:19 PM
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Are you trying to broadbrush an entire segment of the population based on the actions of an individual? There's a term for that....but it's escaping me at the moment.
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Re: Probably because an individual set it on fire.
Jan 19, 2022, 12:26 PM
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Please explain how I am racist because of one of the statements I made in this thread. Please copy and paste.
You are a psychopath.
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I was going to go with "stereotype", but if you're more
Jan 19, 2022, 12:34 PM
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comfortable with that label, then we can roll with that.
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Re: I was going to go with "stereotype", but if you're more
Jan 19, 2022, 1:13 PM
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Ok well then please provide how I stereotyped using quotations. Go right ahead
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There are horrific crimes committed every day that don't
Jan 19, 2022, 11:39 AM
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get much media coverage. Why do you think that is?
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Why is there no rioting over these cases that happen daily?***
Jan 19, 2022, 11:42 AM
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Again, this really shouldn't need to be explained, but let's
Jan 19, 2022, 11:54 AM
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give it a shot anyway: public outcry typically results from obvious miscarriages of justice.
Examples of things that don't warrant protests:
-black man brandishes weapon at police officers, shot and killed
-unarmed black man shot in back execution-style by LEO, officer charged in shooting
-horrific murder committed, suspect not identified or captured
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-etc.
Once in a great while, there are obvious cases where an established system protects criminal behavior, and it usually manifests in unstated LEO code (Arbery case is a good example). You understand all of this, you're just playing the babe-in-the-woods devil's advocate. You should be upset when miscarriages of justice happen, too. This isn't supposed to be a team sport.
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You need some things explained to you.
Jan 19, 2022, 12:35 PM
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The OP wasn't fully making those distinctions between bad cops who kill innocent people, and the kinds that don't warrant protests per the examples you presented. Instead he blurred those lines, as is typical, making statements like "More black people were shot by police in 2021 than in 2020" and supporting his argument with things like "Number of people shot to death by the police in the United States from 2017 to 2021, by race", all of which fail to make those important distinctions. Cops may have killed more black people in 2021, but we have no idea how many were justified or how many were not. It's a meaningless stat in support of the argument, if unjustified killings are the problem.
Of course bad people doing bad things should be called out, and corrupt systems must be challenged and overturned. I'm 100% for that. Let's do it. Let's clean it up. Let's not pretend, however, that police or the criminal justice system are a greater threat to the lives of black people than the people in their own communities who are literally slaughtering them on a daily basis. Not excusing either, just keeping the proper perspective in this context because if black lives truly matter to BLM, you'd think we'd hear at least a peep about this slaughter that goes unabated, but we don't. For the record, I called out the scumbags who hunted down and murdered Arbery from the start. I was glad to see the corruption overruled and justice finally carried out in that case. It took persistence, protest, and media attention, but justice ultimately prevailed with 11 white jurors and only one black convicting the murderers.
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Re: You need some things explained to you.
Jan 19, 2022, 1:28 PM
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The OP wasn't fully making those distinctions between bad cops who kill innocent people, and the kinds that don't warrant protests per the examples you presented. Instead he blurred those lines, as is typical, making statements like "More black people were shot by police in 2021 than in 2020" and supporting his argument with things like "Number of people shot to death by the police in the United States from 2017 to 2021, by race", all of which fail to make those important distinctions. Cops may have killed more black people in 2021, but we have no idea how many were justified or how many were not. It's a meaningless stat in support of the argument, if unjustified killings are the problem.
Of course bad people doing bad things should be called out, and corrupt systems must be challenged and overturned. I'm 100% for that. Let's do it. Let's clean it up. Let's not pretend, however, that police or the criminal justice system are a greater threat to the lives of black people than the people in their own communities who are literally slaughtering them on a daily basis. Not excusing either, just keeping the proper perspective in this context because if black lives truly matter to BLM, you'd think we'd hear at least a peep about this slaughter that goes unabated, but we don't. For the record, I called out the scumbags who hunted down and murdered Arbery from the start. I was glad to see the corruption overruled and justice finally carried out in that case. It took persistence, protest, and media attention, but justice ultimately prevailed with 11 white jurors and only one black convicting the murderers.
I provided a specific example of an unjustified killing of an innocent girl. This to me is way worse than the George Floyd incident. There are many more over the last year.
Also, the rioters didn't care last year if they were justified or not. The only unjustified death I recount is George Floyd. People rioted because of a shooting where a black man charged a cop with a machete. If there was no distinction between justified and unjustified prior to the election, why would there be now?
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I can understand protesting over unjustified killings
Jan 19, 2022, 2:03 PM
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that aren't properly prosecuted. The specific example you provided supports that. The data you provided in the link does not.
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Re: I can understand protesting over unjustified killings
Jan 19, 2022, 5:08 PM
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that aren't properly prosecuted. The specific example you provided supports that. The data you provided in the link does not.
Yes the second link wasn't to "understand protesting over unjustified killings". It was posted to show that cops killing black people didn't all of a sudden stop.... I would assume the proportion of justified/unjustified is not drastically different. Nevertheless that argument is out the window because there have been plenty of riots over justified shootings.
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Re: Why is BLM not rioting over the last year
Jan 19, 2022, 11:39 AM
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According to Elwyn, the riots were about Democrats installing Marxism, so I'm guessing if his narrative is correct, we are now a Marxist country and there is no further need to riot. Am I doing this right?
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They’re too busy looting Nordstroms….***
Jan 19, 2022, 12:32 PM
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Re: Why is BLM not rioting over the last year
Jan 19, 2022, 2:07 PM
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Mountaineers: "Why aren't BLM protesting and up in arms over police killing this little girl?!? Why isn't the media reporting it?!"
Also Mountaineers: *Posts a link to a major media outlet covering the event with a pic of a protest and BLM signs*
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Re: Why is BLM not rioting over the last year
Jan 19, 2022, 2:16 PM
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Mountaineers: "Why aren't BLM protesting and up in arms over police killing this little girl?!? Why isn't the media reporting it?!"
Also Mountaineers: *Posts a link to a major media outlet covering the event with a pic of a protest and BLM signs*
Did you know this case happened before I posted? I highly doubt it. The incident occurred last August. Surely you are smart enough to understand the difference in a media organization writing a article on the story, and the corporate media blasting this story on their front pages for days and social media making the subject trend, right?
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I did.
Jan 19, 2022, 3:38 PM
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Because I actually keep up with what's going on in the real world and don't cherry pick faux rage that's fed to you by Fox News and other fringe media.
You committed a major self own in your own OP. Whine and cry about the media and BLM not reacting to this incident while posting a link to ABC News that featured a picture of BLM protesting it.
19B already laid this out. The outrage isn't as high because there was actually justice for her. And if those officers had gotten off, you'd be on here defending them and arguing how there isn't enough evidence or it's a clean kill or something.
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Re: I did.
Jan 19, 2022, 4:59 PM
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You are seriously delusional. To deconstruct the ridiculousness that you just typed out....
1. I don't watch Fox News, or consume fringe news. I don't understand why you send this constantly. You don't know me. Quit acting like you do.
2. I said rioting in the subject line. Learn to read? Why isn't BLM rioting over this incident? It is a truly horrific outcome. One of the worst I have seen and significantly worse than any of the other ones. If you think that this incident was covered in the same way as other cop shootings in 2019, you truly have your head in the sand.
3. Do you have any example of an incident like this where the rioters waited for the outcome of the trial before rioting/protesting? What a stupid point. Did George Floyd get justice? The cop was prosecuted, right? Most of these riots occurred immediately after the incident. And in 2019, leading up to the election there were riots in most major cities on a weekly basis. After the election, they all stopped. Why? Can you answer that question?
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Re: I did.
Jan 19, 2022, 5:03 PM
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Did he call you a fascist yet?
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Re: I did.
Jan 19, 2022, 5:05 PM
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1. Then you clearly don't consume any other news media if you think this hasn't been covered.
2. I don't know why they aren't rioting. Go ask them. Put BLM is there, aren't they?
3. I'm sorry, can you repeat the question?
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Re: I did.
Jan 20, 2022, 2:25 PM
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1. Then you clearly don't consume any other news media if you think this hasn't been covered.
2. I don't know why they aren't rioting. Go ask them. Put BLM is there, aren't they?
3. I'm sorry, can you repeat the question?
You said that, "The outrage isn't as high because there was actually justice for her.
I asked you to name a specific example over the last couple years of rioters waiting to see if justice is served before they start rioting. Did george Floyd get justice? His murderer was out behind bars. Why didn't the rioters wait to see if justice was served?
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Re: I did.
Jan 20, 2022, 8:55 AM
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Still waiting for an answer on my question to catahoula and 19b's incredibly dumb and out of touch point......
"The outrage isn't as high because there was actually justice for her."
1. What justice was served between august (when the incident happened)and now to prevent riots?
2. Was justice served for George Floyd's killer?
3. Please provide a specific example over the last 2 years where rioters waited to see if "justice" was served before actually rioting.
Thanks
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Re: I did.
Jan 20, 2022, 11:39 AM
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They're not rioting because the democrats successfully installed Marxism in this country and there is no longer a need to riot. You do agree that riots were really about installing Marxism and had nothing to do with Floyd, correct?
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Re: I did.
Jan 20, 2022, 2:21 PM
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Huh?
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Re: I did.
Jan 20, 2022, 2:25 PM
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Then what were they rioting for?
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Re: Why is BLM not rioting over the last year
Jan 19, 2022, 5:01 PM
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Why no outrage with the epidemic of white cops shooting black people? Maybe that problem was 100% solved and went away? LOL
Of course if it really were a nationwide problem last year, it would still be a nationwide problem today. If it were still a nationwide problem today, it should be on the MSM every day.
The answer is the same as the answer to this - Why is there no outrage about Trump being a Russian asset. If the guy was a Russian asset and did what Adam Chithead said he did, then the DOJ should be on the case 24/7.
BUT, NONE OF IT IS TRUE SO THAT IS WHY THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE EVER ON THE PLANET CAN NOT BE SO IMPORTANT A FEW MONTHS LATER.
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Off top of my head cops make between
Jan 20, 2022, 2:32 PM
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10-12mm arrests and over 30mm traffic stops a year. A 1000 shootings resulting in death seems so minimal.
Also no one ever wants to correlate race and incidence of arrests like they do with population, which baffles me, but you can basically do anything with stats and fit a narrative.
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A lack of riots over the past year could in large part be
Jan 20, 2022, 3:11 PM
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due to the aggrieved not being goaded for political reasons 24/7 by a sitting POTUS while tensions are high.
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