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Who’s worse. Lee or brownell?

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May 17, 2022, 7:13 PM
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With basketball I gave up on it about 4 years ago… I have no expectations and understand that no matter how many failures he has this fan base protects him.

With baseball it’s a different story. I feel like we should have expectations and we do have great tradition.

Let’s be honest here. Lee is terrible. I want a change NOW!

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May 17, 2022, 7:20 PM
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Agreed. It is time for Lee to go. I love Clemson baseball way too much to put up with this garbage.

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May 17, 2022, 7:33 PM
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Just checked some numbers and I don’t know how up to date they are but sounds about right. Clemson baseball has one 15 conference championships and Clemson basketball has one zero conference championships. I know it is a little like Apples and Oranges but my expectations for our baseball program are quite a bit higher than our basketball program. I am just not ready to accept what we are getting out of our baseball team the last few years.

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May 17, 2022, 10:07 PM
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One thing is evident--we need more consistency in both programs. Getting our hopes up only to have them dashed many times in a season is getting very tiring.

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May 17, 2022, 7:36 PM
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The problem has been that our ADs have never been able to judge talent. Look at some of the coaches.

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Both should be released after next year if same ole, same ole!

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May 17, 2022, 7:39 PM
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With these times & $ involved neither are above average at the best..and as my teacher said, a C+ ain't gonna cut it BILL if you want to get ahead in life.

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May 17, 2022, 7:43 PM
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Monte has ruined this program, it was still a top 20 type when he got here . It’s a joke now

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May 17, 2022, 7:44 PM
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It was on the way downhill when Monte came-he just speeded up the process.

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May 17, 2022, 7:45 PM
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Nah Jack had a very good team and a couple of big time players ready for the next few years

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May 17, 2022, 7:50 PM
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you goobers are so happy when we play like sh!t or lose in any way. it is like you just sit by the keyboard and wait for the shoe to drop. this game should have you giddy. a sad existence for sure.

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I'm not happy about it at all. As a matter of fact, I feel

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May 17, 2022, 8:03 PM
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just like I did back when I watched an aged Muhammad Ali in the ring. Pure sadness at what he had become, after knowing how great he had once been. But, that's just me.

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May 17, 2022, 8:03 PM
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I would never want to offend anyone here but if we have “fans” or T Netters that love it when we play bad and get giddy at games like this then you are not a fan and please abstain from posting. I guess I am naive because I can’t believe Clemson fans love when we are losing just so they can complain. I know it sounds like I am being sarcastic but I am not trying to be.

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May 17, 2022, 8:55 PM
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You are right and not taken as sarcastic at all … unfortunately the “Goober” think that bc fans are upset with where our once very proud baseball program is that we are happy when we lose … the dumbest thing iv ever heard … Absolutely NO Clemson fan is happy with this program and we are allowed to express that , the real goober is the one that refuses to admit when there’s a problem

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May 17, 2022, 10:03 PM
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There’s not. deroberts along with Cobbox a.k.a. jstoneD329 are just a couple of dumb axes.

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It is pathetic


May 17, 2022, 8:58 PM
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There is not one positive thought in the Lunatic Fringe Clubhouse. Pathetic.

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May 17, 2022, 9:04 PM
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Cobbox, JStone or whatever you are calling yourself = blah, blah, blah. Multiple handles are what is pathetic. Calling out bad coaches is what fans do from time to time right or wrong. It is amazing what topics you can guarantee to find a Cobb and a Stone.

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May 17, 2022, 10:17 PM
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May 17, 2022, 9:39 PM
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You have to be the dumbest SOB to ever post on here. You would literally have to of been denied oxygen the first 20 minutes of your existence to not of realized 3 years ago Monte Lee is sinking this program further into the basement further than it was when he got here.
Unless he gave you a handjob at some point, I’ll assume your Monte Lee

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May 17, 2022, 9:40 PM
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Are you happy with this baseball program under Monte Lee? If so you should have your Tnet membership revoked. I think Ckemson fans have been more than patient with this guy. It's not working. It's time for a change. It is also time for the ENTIRE staff to be released. No holdovers. A few stayed from Leggett and the results have not improved. Complete reset and move forward!!

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Hope you are enjoying rearranging the deck chairs


May 18, 2022, 8:26 AM
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on the Titanic.

You are offering nothing worthwhile to this board.

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May 17, 2022, 7:52 PM
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Another poster stated Monte is a good one and will be around for at least a few years. Thinking I must be watching something different than some posters. Neither program is in good shape. Disappointing. Will still pull like heck for both but my expectations are not where they are with football, soccer or softball at this point.

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Have faith we’ll get it fixed one way or another.


May 17, 2022, 8:57 PM
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We’ve got too much history to not right the ship.

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May 17, 2022, 7:46 PM
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Lee destroyed a once great baseball program. Basketball was never much so I have to give the edge to Monte. But to be fair, both are laughingstocks and embarrassments.

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May 18, 2022, 3:23 PM
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I gave up on basketball after our loss
to Oakland.

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May 17, 2022, 8:18 PM
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Thats a hard one. College baseball recruiting is not a level playing field and has gotten that way towards the end if Bill’s tenure.
Basketball is different and deserves to be judged critically. I believe our AD has high expectations that CBB has proven he cannot meet. He has has long enough in my opinion and the “letter” was in response to the cry from supporters for a change. Even if next year is better CBB is not capable of taking us to where we should be. Don’t let our past in basketball be a ball and chain around the ankles of those who expect more in the future.

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May 17, 2022, 8:18 PM
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And it's not close. He has buried our baseball program

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May 17, 2022, 8:21 PM
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Clemson Basketball has a strong history of suck Clemson baseball has the opposite. Lee has torpedoed our baseball program.

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May 18, 2022, 3:26 PM
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Hire the Liberty baseball coach.

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May 17, 2022, 8:26 PM
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With basketball I gave up on it about 4 years ago… I have no expectations and understand that no matter how many failures he has this fan base protects him.

With baseball it’s a different story. I feel like we should have expectations and we do have great tradition.

Let’s be honest here. Lee is terrible. I want a change NOW!



Since when is outperforming historical averages with an underfunded program a failure? You sir seem to lack perspective

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May 17, 2022, 8:26 PM
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With basketball I gave up on it about 4 years ago… I have no expectations and understand that no matter how many failures he has this fan base protects him.

With baseball it’s a different story. I feel like we should have expectations and we do have great tradition.

Let’s be honest here. Lee is terrible. I want a change NOW!



Since when is outperforming historical averages with an underfunded program a failure? You sir seem to lack perspective

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May 17, 2022, 9:21 PM
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You need to get out of the past and expect more in the future. Our AD does.

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May 17, 2022, 8:26 PM
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With basketball I gave up on it about 4 years ago… I have no expectations and understand that no matter how many failures he has this fan base protects him.

With baseball it’s a different story. I feel like we should have expectations and we do have great tradition.

Let’s be honest here. Lee is terrible. I want a change NOW!



Since when is outperforming historical averages with an underfunded program a failure? You sir seem to lack perspective

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Cobb…

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May 17, 2022, 8:29 PM
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You posted this three times, but they’re all under jstone D329.
You forgot to change logins again.

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May 17, 2022, 8:59 PM
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JStone or whoever you are calling yourself these days basketball is horrible quit with the apologetics. No one cares.

You keep pumping a dead horse.

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May 18, 2022, 7:54 AM
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Ya’ll are doom n gloom. Sucks for ya. Hope things get better for ya.

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May 18, 2022, 8:22 AM
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At what point during the Sweet 16 run 4 years ago did you give up on Brownell? This is a strange take, most fans were pretty excited at that point.

To your original post, Lee had the best player in college baseball and has never advanced in the tournament. It gets a little worse each year. I don’t believe at this point, that he will win, even if he brings in top tier talent.

I think that when Brownell has good enough players and they stay healthy, we put a good team on the court. We do not get great players often. Keeping them healthy is even harder. Then things stall. Its frustrating. I’m tired of it. But I still believe that he can win, and make some national noise. It is a much healthier program than he gets credit for.

Basketball has gotten a little better since the new facility. Baseball has gotten worse.

In my opinion, it’s not comparable.

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May 18, 2022, 8:40 AM
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University that we are perfectly willing to accept mediocrity, and have been for years. Brown-L is just the latest installation in fulfilling that willingness to fail.

Baseball is totally different. Up to recent times, we were committed to being a player on the National Stage, even if we had never brought home the ultimate prize. Multiple ACC Championships, Regional and Super Regional wins and College World Series appearances attest to this.

But, now, Clemson Baseball finds itself at a crossroads. The results of the last two seasons have not met our historical expectations, in any way. Due to Covid and its aftermath, Coach Lee kind of got a Hall Pass for last year, at least from some of us. No such excuses will fly this year.

If our newly minted AD does not force at least some staff changes after this season is over in baseball, then he is, by default, showing that we are now willing to accept that same mediocrity in baseball that has been the status quo in basketball. I don't buy that, and never will. But, to make the necessary changes in baseball, some feelings are going to get hurt. And, some money is going to have to get spent.

We should not have to accept that we are a "football school", and all our eggs are in that one basket. Other schools are successful in multiple "major" sports. We have some smart people at Clemson, and we need them to use those smarts and step up to solve these competitive issues. In basketball, and yes, now, in baseball. Because the sad truth is, we are no longer among the baseball elite. We are just another program. And, THAT is a sad admission for a Clemson alumnus to have to make.

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May 18, 2022, 9:57 AM
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Tough to say who is worse at their job, but college basketball is much more important to the university and the sports world in general than college baseball. College baseball almost doesn't matter in the big picture as far as cash flow and national recognization.

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May 18, 2022, 10:01 AM
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True , but it was nice to have a little excitement after a usually bad Basketball season.
Now it’s a long wait until football season

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Monte's won a conf championship but neither

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May 18, 2022, 10:11 AM
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are exciting prospects, at this very moment.

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