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WHO now warning against lockdowns

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Posted: Oct 12, 2020, 6:07 PM
 

It’s nice to see these organizations reluctantly following DJT’s wisdom with this virus.

Let’s see...

He said the actual mortality rate was probably 1 percent or less and turned out to be right

He said at the end of March that he could see the public wearing masks and on April 3rd the CDC issued mask guidelines

He said in April the benefits of reopening and keeping the economy and people’s lives going outweighed the risks of the disease. Now the WHO agrees.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/who-coronavirus-lockdowns-economic-damage


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Re: WHO now warning against lockdowns

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Posted: Oct 12, 2020, 6:09 PM
 

He's a regular nostra-dumbass

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more worthy sources

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Posted: Oct 12, 2020, 6:46 PM
 

I guess, you have to dig to find it.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/10/11/covid-hospitalizations-up-11-state-records-who-questions-lockdowns/5960078002/


I could really find it mentioned in other reputable sources:

https://www.google.com/search?biw=1556&bih=982&tbm=nws&sxsrf=ALeKk015z36X5mn1Scmw4gRA6-QK_hceug%3A1602542289095&ei=0dqEX6ObBe6s5wLItZ3oDw&q=WHO+warns+against+lockdowns&oq=WHO+warns+against+lockdowns&gs_l=psy-ab.3...8886.28966.0.29299.27.26.0.1.1.0.129.1678.25j1.26.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..0.11.640...0j0i433k1j0i3k1.0.7f1PINOy35Q

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Re: more worthy sources

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Posted: Oct 12, 2020, 7:06 PM
 

Lol that caption for the link says it all. Nothing but doom and gloom.

“ Coronavirus hospitalizations are on the rise. WHO discourages lockdowns. 11 states set 7-day records for new infections. World also struggling.”

Somehow they failed to mention that deaths are continuing to fall. All they can talk about now is cases. Those will likely keep rising or stay about the same as long as all these colleges are continuing to test entire student bodies and spot check.

SC is now down to about a 10 percent positive.


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I can't imagine a presentation of a circumstance being more

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Posted: Oct 12, 2020, 8:17 PM
 

politically or ideologically motivated than this one has been. Truth can be found, but not in the msm articles and reporting. They have done a fabulous job of equating "cases" with "fear", and reporting only those without any context of testing methods/volume and actual health effect.

This link is just about the only information I follow. https://covidtracking.com/data/state/south-carolina


The link is to the SC data, but clicking on "Our Data" at the top left takes you to the national data. And one can see any state as well.

The trends over the last three months are clearly in almost free fall. New cases drops if fluctuations in testing volume is accounted for, and usually, as with SC, it drops anyway.

What is really dropping is the number of fatalities. From a high of 50 daily on about Aug 1, we're down to about 10 daily and falling. Nationally, we've dropped from a high of 1200 daily to about 700, also falling. That is not as dramatic a fall as SC has but if you look at individual states you'll see that a few states are experiencing Western Europe type curves: draconian lock downs early on, second waves now. Compare states like SC, GA and FL to states like MI and WI. A few states seem to be keeping the national fatality rate from falling as fast as SC's

In July SC was testing 10,000/day, and we were having 2000 cases/day. Testing is now up to 20,000/day, but cases are down to 700/day. I am not exactly sure what those two graphs going in opposite directions says, but it has to be good news.

Regarding hospitalization numbers, that one seems to be an enigma. As the hospitalizations rise, the fatality rates continue to fall, with little regard to the "lagging indicator" factor (no more lectures on that, please: we got it then and we get it now. Prof Yandle taught us all about it in Econ 101.). In SC, the hospitalizations have risen a little lately even though number of cases is dropping (especially if rising testing numbers is accounted for). I will let someone else speculate on how things are counted and reported, but something else needs to happen before I will think that number (1) is signifying anything or (2) is being consistently measured.

Anyway, when you look at those graphs over a period of time, then read the headlines, it's apparent that the story was decided before the numbers were even considered.

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Re: more worthy sources

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Posted: Oct 12, 2020, 8:29 PM
 

T3Tiger® said:

Lol that caption for the link says it all. Nothing but doom and gloom.

“ Coronavirus hospitalizations are on the rise. WHO discourages lockdowns. 11 states set 7-day records for new infections. World also struggling.”

Somehow they failed to mention that deaths are continuing to fall. All they can talk about now is cases. Those will likely keep rising or stay about the same as long as all these colleges are continuing to test entire student bodies and spot check.

SC is now down to about a 10 percent positive.


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Eveytime the cases go up the Pub's say "but the deaths are going down." Every time the deaths go up the Pub's say "but the cases are going down." Never fails.

It's cyclical. Everytime the cases go up, the deaths go down. They're dying off from the previous wave. Next, when deaths start rising, cases go down. It comes in waves. Peaks and valleys my friend.

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Clever, except you overlooked something. Fatalities are

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Posted: Oct 12, 2020, 8:46 PM
 

going down. Period.

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Re: Clever, except you overlooked something. Fatalities are

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Posted: Oct 12, 2020, 8:54 PM
 


going down. Period.




The virus comes in waves, peaks and valley's. Everytime the cases go(peak) up the deaths go down (poeple from the previous case wave die out). Everytime the deaths go up(result of previous peak in cases), the cases go down.

It's cyclical and I'm amused that Pub's keep pointing that out as if it's good news somehow. And when the deaths start going up, you'll say "see, the cases are going down." You do it every time.

It comes in waves, of course deaths are going down. And after this wave of cases has past it's peak, some of the infections result in death so the deaths go up, while, as the wave has passed the cases go down.

How do you guys not get that?

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Posted: Oct 12, 2020, 9:13 PM
 

Above.

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Posted: Oct 12, 2020, 9:23 PM
 

Addressed in mine as well. Felix refuses to accept data and facts over talking points.

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Re: Clever, except you overlooked something. Fatalities are


Posted: Oct 12, 2020, 9:25 PM
 

Are you running for the senate with babbling biden, just curious?

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Posted: Oct 12, 2020, 8:49 PM
 

Yeah I remember hearing those same arguments back in April and then again in July. It hasn’t happened. I’ve been correct every time. Deaths continue to go down in both SC and the US and are back to early levels.

Cases are going up temporarily in some Midwest states that hadn’t really been hit yet. Also as I said, school and college testing is finding cases in younger people. My kid’s best friend roommate had it and felt fine in two days. Look at Trump...diagnosed 10 days ago, treated and back doing a rally tonight in FL.

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Any left leaning news sources would have ignored that, so


Posted: Oct 13, 2020, 10:06 AM
 

you won't find it from many other sources.

Left or Right leaning news sources don't necessarily lie - but they will fail to report on news that they think their readers/viewers don't want to hear.

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Posted: Oct 12, 2020, 7:01 PM
 

hour after hour, day after day, you're definitely going to get something that aligns with reality when searching for a line to justify.

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Re: WHO now warning against lockdowns


Posted: Oct 12, 2020, 7:53 PM
 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-19-spread-herd-immunity-unethical-who-chief-says/


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Posted: Oct 12, 2020, 8:03 PM
 

80% of deaths are over 65. 80%. Average age around 75. Those are some of the people I still see out in public the most. I’m not gonna worry about it more than they are.

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How come every time I address your post,


Posted: Oct 12, 2020, 9:34 PM
 

you change the subject?

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Re: How come every time I address your post,


Posted: Oct 12, 2020, 9:42 PM
 

Uhh I believe you changed the subject on me. I was talking about reopening and you replied with a post about herd immunity. That has nothing to do with what I said. I don’t know if immunity can be achieved or not, even with a vaccine. There are people that say the virus antibodies only last a couple months. There are others who say some have T Cell immunity, but it’s not proven yet.

The WHO guy is just agreeing with Trump that shutting down the economy over the virus is a bad idea and the costs outweigh the benefits.

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Re: How come every time I address your post,


Posted: Oct 13, 2020, 5:50 AM
 

My post is the head of WHO saying don't just open everything up.

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Interesting statement. On one hand, agreement seems obvious.


Posted: Oct 12, 2020, 8:40 PM
 

Can't just "let" people get a disease, right? However, what is the difference in "letting" something happen and deciding how to deal with its inevitability?

If one assumes that WHO's statement right (aside from the irony of "Tedros" and "ethical" being in the same sentence), he has just called Sweden unethical, and as we now see, W Europe is headed to the same total numbers Sweden had, but with a crappe load more trouble and cost. We all know that this is because the question is not whether a certain number of people will get this, but when.

One can and should assume that social distancing is effective for what it can do, and act accordingly. Put me down for masks. What it cannot do is make the virus go away. It will not decide "Eff these masks, let's go home". A certain number of people will get it, have to get it, before the virus loses its epidemic characteristic. That's not my opinion: that is everybody's understanding for the last 200 years. There are only two variables: who actually gets it, and over what period of time.

What is unethical about imposing harsh measures on those most vulnerable (say, over age X, and not shipping sick ones into nursing homes), while allowing low risk individuals to make the informed decisions they deem best for themselves? Or is Tedros virtue signaling by making glorious pronouncements that address no known circumstance?

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Re: Interesting statement. On one hand, agreement seems obvious.


Posted: Oct 12, 2020, 8:48 PM
 

I agree with you except for one thing. The virus needs hosts or it dies out. Social distancing and wearing masks gives the virus no place to go...and it dies out. The CDC said that if 90% of people did those 2 things it would save approx. 40,000 lives before New Year.

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I disagree. It won't just die out with social distancing and


Posted: Oct 12, 2020, 9:09 PM
 

Masks. It wont even go away and die out if you have social distancing, masks, and a lockdown. But social distancing and masks can make it barrable and not a strain on hospitals. No one is locking down again anyway. Heck we never did in SC. We still had 50 cases a day locked down. But the difference between 2400 cases a day and 500 are masks. The difference between 500 a day and 50 isn't worth shutting down the states economy.

But I do know several kids with it now. 4th graders.

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Re: Interesting statement. On one hand, agreement seems obvious.


Posted: Oct 12, 2020, 9:12 PM
 

Why didn’t it die out in Europe then? NYC? It will not die out from shutdowns. The only things that will die out are the economy and people’s lives.

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I have heard no one say it will die out. Contact viruses

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Posted: Oct 12, 2020, 9:22 PM
 

like ebola can be isolated by denying hosts. No one thinks that can happen with something as contagious as this is. Hasn't ever happened.

We even have flu epidemics from time to time, viruses that have been around since forever, and this one is way more contagious than that. My guess is that the common cold is not epidemic because enough people have had those viruses: They run through grade schools but not outside them, for that reason. And after all that, the common cold viruses are still there. No, they don't die out. And if this one is anywhere around, an epidemic will result. In the US it started with what, a handful of people?

The idea that we can have this virus 'die out' is a manufactured lie used for political purposes: "Its Trumps fault." But no, or almost no, physician, however pro distancing they might be, buys that.

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I agree with you. I will not question that idea at all.

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Posted: Oct 12, 2020, 9:46 PM
 

However, that comment by the CDC, if right, does not say that doing so will reduce the number of people who get it. All it can do, I think, is spread out the time the X number of people will get it. Otherwise, one will have to explain how it is that W Europe, which the left called a model of how to respond, now has more cases than we do. Sweden sits there with almost no activity, while W Europe around it is now catching up.

What could perhaps happen, though I haven't heard anyone discuss this, is that if immunity is achieved at, say, exactly 150 million cases, with extreme social distancing we can reach that number without going too far over. Without distancing, we might have 200 million (takes a while to stop a battleship). Maybe. But you're still looking at a very long time with huge costs to do the former. If the at-risk population is protected, what is the angst about cases in the segment of the population for whom covid is less risky than the flu?

I'll come back to my basic point: the msm has equated "case" with "fear" to the degree that there is no discussion taking place about what trends are actually taking place. The administrative docs like Fauci - the "scientists" we're supposed to listen to - sit there and don't say a danged thing. "Masks are good. Yeah, wear masks. But it won't go away until we have a vaccine. We will have one in November. No wait, June." Really out there on a limb, eh Tony? And really, we're blaming each other for something that is exactly no one's fault.

Forgive my two responses. One was just addressing the issue. This one was more to you personally. You know, because you're a fun guy to talk to. :)

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Re: WHO now warning against lockdowns

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Posted: Oct 12, 2020, 8:55 PM
 

only 3 more weeks until the danger is over, the masks will fall from our faces

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only 3 more weeks until the danger is over, the masks will fall from our faces




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Re: WHO now warning against lockdowns

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Posted: Oct 12, 2020, 9:00 PM
 

even Kalifornia is reducing restrictions

i wish we had more hand washing stations, should be everywhere

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Posted: Oct 12, 2020, 9:59 PM
 

Oh I still don’t trust them and won’t until they stand up to China. I do appreciate them actually following the science now though.

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WHO

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Posted: Oct 13, 2020, 6:09 AM
 

are you? Who who, who who

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Re: WHO now warning against lockdowns

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Posted: Oct 13, 2020, 6:47 AM
 

Percent positive was only 9.1% in S.C. yesterday but the libs are still acting like it’s getting worse.

A few weeks ago when it was steady around 20% it was supposedly the only number that mattered.

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WHO answers to China

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Posted: Oct 13, 2020, 8:06 AM
 

China must want the shutdowns lifted

Business must be bad in China

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Posted: Oct 13, 2020, 8:47 AM
 
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I'll admit, at first I said this virus wasn't political. I mean it's a virus, right? I have grossly underestimated our capacity as Americans to make it political. On that I will admit an error. I had no clue we had it in us, but evidently we do. The "Republican L" is beginning to show up nicely when you look at cases per 100K by county. You can argue if that's a good or bad thing a million ways until you're blue in the face. But it is a political thing. Will be interesting to map Trump versus Biden counties when this is said and done.



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I speculated just this morning that 75% of COVID cases were


Posted: Oct 13, 2020, 10:14 AM
 

probably conservative folks.

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Re: I speculated just this morning that 75% of COVID cases were


Posted: Oct 13, 2020, 10:41 AM
 

Could be. Would be interesting to do some data mashups if you could get the data.

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