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Who here remembers the DW4 that came to Clemson, was a role model
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for the young fans who wanted so badly to see and also be #4 on the football field.
He was always humble, but also very competitive in spirit and as we all know he did not ever quit.
He got to NFL and was doing great things in and around Houston, and bought his Mom a home. All was going so well for him in life.....
I have no idea what happened, but he simply lost his way. I do not know him and cannot rationalize any of this since noone truly knows Deshaun, but he does not seem to be a bad guy. However, he made some very costly decisions that are coming back to haunt him and appear to be ending his career in football. He is nowhere near the player he once was, and he seems to have lost the competitive nature that drove him to be such a success.
And I will add this: hanging around #### stars is about as stupid and idiotic as you can get. I am sure Mia is a fine person, but you cannot associate with filth when you are a professional athlete unless you want trouble. Nothing against #### stars, but trash is trash and hanging around it makes you what ??? He seems incapable of making good decisions any longer, maybe the money went straight to his head and he forgot who he was.
I think he simply forgot who and what Deshaun Watson was before all the money and fame. Now he is being ridiculed and playing bad football, and he pretty much brought this all on himself. No, I do not for one moment think Deshaun did these alleged actions, but I also believe he put himself in bad situations where you have to realize bad things cand and will happen.
I try to remember the DW4 who played on 1 leg to defeat those Coots, or the young man who simply did not quit against Alabama and drove the Tigers to victory. But that seems so long ago and like a different person than what we see and hear now.
Prayers for him to get all this straightened out and get his life on track and stay out of trouble.
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Re: Who here remembers the DW4 that came to Clemson, was a role model
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Sep 10, 2024, 8:07 AM
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Playing wise he looked bad sunday but they were missing a couple of starting OL and the Browns are not likely to be very good. Not much of a ground game so he has to find w/r's and they arent all that great.
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Re: Who here remembers the DW4 that came to Clemson, was a role model
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Sep 10, 2024, 8:21 AM
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I found out he was missing some key offensive lineman, both starting OT's were not playing. That is hard to overcome, especially with Parsons on the other side of the line.
However, it has been several years since he has regularly looked like his best days. He had a nice stretch at Houston, but since then pretty much nothing but troubles. He was missing throws pretty badly Sunday, and also some drops that did not help. Either way, he is struggling in football and more importantly he is struggling in life. Not good
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Re: Who here remembers the DW4 that came to Clemson, was a role model
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So this may be an unpopular take, seems like there are a lot of DW4 apologists on tnet but we don’t need to defend him or justify him.
I will not defend him or attempt to say he is a good person, he was a great player at Clemson maybe the greatest, but we have to accept the fact that being a great player does not make him a good person. Everything that has been revealed by his personal conduct shows quite the contrary. I would not want my sons to emulate his off the field life, I would not want my daughters to be in the same room with him alone, full stop.
The only reason it seems that most defend him is because he was a generational talent and he was the driving force of some of our best teams. If he was a fringe player he would be quickly disavowed. If he played for another school , not only would he be personally vilified and constantly mocked, he would also absolutely be a reflection of the cultural failings of that school and of Clemson’a moral superiority over that school.
Our best players do not have to be morally upright to be great but it seems like we need to hold on to that myth for our own purposes for some reason…
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"If he played for another school, not only would he be personally
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vilified and constantly mocked, he would also absolutely be a reflection of the cultural failings of that school and of Clemson’s moral superiority over that school."
Yep.
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Was Wilt Chamberlain accused of sexually assaulting women?***
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Re: Was Wilt Chamberlain accused of sexually assaulting women?***
Sep 10, 2024, 11:44 AM
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Not trying to defend anyone, but we don't know. And it was a completely different time. Women were treated vastly different. But if the rumors are true about the number of ladies he slept with, then odds are he probably "technically" SA'd some of them. Or at the least manipulated them.
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Re: Who here remembers the DW4 that came to Clemson, was a role model
Sep 10, 2024, 8:27 PM
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What if one of those women were your daughter? Would you feel the same way? He turned into a thug like Cam Newton. Nobody, I repeat nobody is worth the kind of money he is being paid.
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Re: Who here remembers the DW4 that came to Clemson, was a role model
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Sep 10, 2024, 8:42 AM
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His is a tale as old as time. Young man from a hardscrabble upbringing all of a sudden has great wealth. He does his best to deal with his situation in a responsible manner. Then drip drip drip the wrong influences continually knock on his door. He resists the temptations but slowly lets a little one in the door, but we all know the opening only grows.
The most important thing we have is our reputation and his reputation is smashed. His best chance was to have found a nice girl and settled down but that did not happen.
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Athletic Dir [1137]
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I mean, he did start hanging out with Mia Khalifa somewhere between the end
Sep 10, 2024, 8:45 AM
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of his Clemson career and beginning of NFL career. Not that there is anything wrong with that. So maybe he always had a propensity to walk on the wild side, just didn't show it publicly in school.
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Re: I mean, he did start hanging out with Mia Khalifa somewhere between the end
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Sep 10, 2024, 9:11 AM
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Except that there IS something wrong with that. That’s kind of the point.
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Athletic Dir [1137]
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I actually agree, just being slightly sarcastic. I think I remember Watson
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Sep 10, 2024, 9:32 AM
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messing around on social media with her (and others) during his senior season and it getting shared on here of all places as I remember thinking uh-oh, but more so in a team sense. Chad Kelly did too (?) I think around the same time after he transferred, and we see how he was.
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Orange Blooded [2196]
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Re: I actually agree, just being slightly sarcastic. I think I remember Watson
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Sep 10, 2024, 9:34 AM
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I hear you. It's heartbreaking.
I loved DW4 -- we all did.
Actions have consequences.
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Re: Who here remembers the DW4 that came to Clemson, was a role model
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Sep 10, 2024, 8:46 AM
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When you come from a poor broken family and come into a zillion dollars, it can certainly corrupt you. He was certainly corrupted.
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Athletic Dir [1137]
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Also, you can love and adore your mother, be nice to those you meet and ALSO
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Sep 10, 2024, 8:57 AM
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have a side of you that can be not kosher. Yeah maybe the money can give someone like that more means to live out that side, but doesn't mean the money was the cause. The character could be the cause.
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Re: Who here remembers the DW4 that came to Clemson, was a role model
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Sep 10, 2024, 8:51 AM
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Money changes people. Always has and always will.
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Re: Who here remembers the DW4 that came to Clemson, was a role model
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Maybe. Who has time or the energy to sexually assault 22 women at a hoe house? Shouldn’t the first one have called him out? He was dumb for putting himself in that situation.
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Re: Who here remembers the DW4 that came to Clemson, was a role model
Sep 10, 2024, 9:05 AM
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No argument there, it certainly corrupts and spoils many things and reputations are at the top of the list. Money/wealth does not discriminate, it has capacity to corrupt any and all things it touches regardless of current class/race/gender.
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If even a fraction of the accusations against him are true
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then I would say he is a pretty bad person.
That isn’t easy for me to say, because I love Deshaun and thought he was a great guy and role model.
I agree, he seems to have lost his way. It’s sad.
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Re: If even a fraction of the accusations against him are true
Sep 10, 2024, 11:20 AM
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then I would say he is a pretty bad person.
That isn’t easy for me to say, because I love Deshaun and thought he was a great guy and role model.
I agree, he seems to have lost his way. It’s sad.
I would not say he is necessarily a bad person (unless the rape accusation is true), but he certainly made bad choices.
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Tiger Titan [46071]
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He very likely sexually assaulted multiple women.
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It doesn’t have to be rape to be wrong.
His pattern of sexual predatory behavior is really concerning.
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Re: Who here remembers the DW4 that came to Clemson, was a role model
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Sep 10, 2024, 9:12 AM
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I’m interested in what is and is not true. The whole deal, and seeing and hearing about him while at Clemson, it’s hard to wrap your mind around.
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Re: Who here remembers the DW4 that came to Clemson, was a role model
Sep 10, 2024, 9:23 AM
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Do you believe everything you hear / see in the press?
Your opinion of DW4 his dwindled because the Houston Texans owner and his sleeze bag neighbor attorney rounded up some women to make accusations?
Houston police investigated and did not have evidence for criminal charges.
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Found one***
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Dynasty Maker [3135]
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There's a reason for the saying "Don't mess with Texas."
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Sep 10, 2024, 9:27 AM
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He pi$$Ed off the wrong person
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Re: Who here remembers the DW4 that came to Clemson, was a role model
Sep 10, 2024, 9:27 AM
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Whats funny is all the people who idolized Watson and placed him on a pedestal when he was here that have turned on him now. Nothing has been proven. He's innocent until proven guilty last time I checked, hasn't even been formally charged with a crime, but so many "fans" have judged him. Does it look good? No. Does that mean hes guilty? No. I would think with all the Christians here they would follow the bible and not judge people, but apparently that's asking too much. Save your stones for after a trial if he's found guilty.
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I think you misunderstand
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Sep 10, 2024, 9:40 AM
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I loved DW4. I still do, though my assessment of his character has certainly changed.
You're right, though. There has not been a trial...because DW4 settled out of court. If he wants to clear his name, go to trial.
A Christian believes in forgiveness. But also justice. In fact, if you really want to understand Christian forgiveness, you must understand justice. They go together (but that's a topic for another thread).
I can't vouch for other Christians "judging" DW4. That's not my job. It's the job of the legal system and God.
But I'm also not naive.
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Re: I think you misunderstand
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Well said!
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Re: I think you misunderstand
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So because he settled so he could get back to playing football that automatically makes him guilty? Look, I'm not pleading his case. I was always a big fan of his during his time at Clemson. That young man single handedly willed our team to victory on numerous occasions. The simple fact is he has not been charged with a crime, nor proven guilty and until he is I'm not going to say hes tarnished anything. If you want him to go to court, tell law enforcement to charge him and make him have to go to trial. If he SA'd anyone I'll be the first to say he doesn't deserve the title of a Clemson man, until then I'm not going to say he's right or wrong because its not my place. Until there actual evidence, proof, how can you call for justice? This is what I'm talking about, hes already guilty to you, you just wont say it.
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Nope -- didn't say any of that
Sep 10, 2024, 10:46 AM
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He has had civil suits, 23, give or take. And an equal opportunity to have his day in court. For whatever reason, he has not taken advantage of this option to clear his name.
I'm not calling him guilty, so you needn't put words in my mouth.
I'm simply saying that he has not availed himself of the avenue our justice system provides for clearing his name.
Until he does, there will be questions.
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Re: Nope -- didn't say any of that
Sep 10, 2024, 11:03 AM
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I wasn't aware it was on the defendant to prove his innocence. I always thought the prosecution had to prove guilt. A civil suit is not proof of a crime, once again I'm saying he has not been charged. Did you not think about how he may have wanted to get back to actually playing football instead of going through years of court battles to "prove his innocence". By your logic law enforcement had 23 tries since there are 23 alleged victims to prove his guilt and failed to do so. Again, he does not need to "clear his name" since he hasn't been convicted of a crime. Look, neither one of us are going to change the others mind so we may as well leave it here. I would say I'll be happy to come back and admit your were right if he is ever charged, but I'll be honest, I definitely wouldn't be happy about it. I don't want him to be guilty, even though I know its possible he is.
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Re: Who here remembers the DW4 that came to Clemson, was a role model
Sep 10, 2024, 11:57 AM
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Never idolized him but you are right, a lot of people did.
And I truly hope he is redeemed and all these accusations prove to be wrong. Only he truly knows what is in his heart and what has been done, so he gets to live with that. Either way, he has made some really bad choices in life and I am not faulting anyone for that, it is human nature. But as a professional athlete or anyone for that matter, it is best to steer clear from "trouble" which is exactly what he has found based on his own decisions. Nobody foreced him to get messages from 40+ women, nobody forced him to hang out with adult film stars....those are simply poor choices
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Re: Who here remembers the DW4 that came to Clemson, was a role model
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Let that man live his life, do you think he is sitting down worrying about a person like you behind a keyboard , always quick to judge someone. Football got him this far and he can hang around whoever the #### he wants to . Who are you to judge ? You are not god and if you are a Christian please run back to your bible , because you are not the judge. It definitely be you old scumbags who were never good at sports on here with your hot takes , lol . Go get a life .
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Triggered much?
Sep 10, 2024, 10:14 AM
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swatting at flies that aren't there.
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Re: Triggered much?
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triggered by what ? I just stated my opinion . Leave this a football forum and stop trying to give people life advice or judge people's character. None of us know this man personally or his heart , but a lot of people on here like to judge people who don't give two #### about their opinions. Some times its best to keep quiet .
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Observing behavior is not the same as judging
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I know nothing about what's going on inside of DW4, but what's going on outside seems pretty clear to most people.
I'm not sure what, exactly, triggered you. You tell me. But you lashed out at the OP, who was simply raising questions a lot of people are asking, no matter what their particular religious -- or non-religious -- inclinations.
I love DW4. It certainly appears that he has made a lot of poor choices that are potentially ruining his life. Not to mention -- if even a portion are true -- the lives of others.
That matters.
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Re: Who here remembers the DW4 that came to Clemson, was a role model
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Nope, he owes me nothing. Simply stating an opinion that you can either take or leave. But since you deemed a response was necessary then I shall offer a rebuttal.
He owes nobody anything, but what he is happening with him is of his own creation. His lack of awareness in decision making is concerning, nobody there to help him understand how bad some of his choices were ??? It is sad, my guess is he had some people around him who told him it was fine.
I am not one to throw stones, my life is full of disappointment in myself. Which is why I can see the shortcomings in decisions/choices others make because it is painfully obvious.
Again, my hope is that the young man who came to Clemson and was such a good role model can turn his life around and get back to being that guy. Hanging around adult stars, massages from 40+ women, just terrible decisions when you live under a spotlight. He is better than that, let us hope he realizes that.
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I don't think its a stretch to think DW4 has turned his back on the Lord
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and has been enticed by the enemy of this world.
That being said, I have seen how this board has stepped up in times of need for so many by PRAYING. Let's do that here, as I know we serve a great God who loves DW4 and wants desperately for him to return to Him.
He can still be a witness for Christ with a testimony showing the power of money and the enemy.
PRAY for DW4 that the Holy Spirit inside of him will rise up and reclaim his spirit.
Praying for you Deshaun!
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Re: I don't think its a stretch to think DW4 has turned his back on the Lord
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Thus, if read my post, you will see that is my reasoning.
My sincere hope is that Deshaun resurrects his career, but more importantly, his life and he is happy with his choices. Maybe that is already the case, either way may his way be blessed.
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Re: Who here remembers the DW4 that came to Clemson, was a role model
Sep 10, 2024, 11:21 AM
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Money corrupts. Big money corrupts absolutely. Probably not always true, but I’m sitting in the doctor’s office waiting with nothing else to do.
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People are complex and have many sides to them
Sep 10, 2024, 11:26 AM
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That they show to different people and in different situations. How many times have you heard “I would have never thought he would do this” about someone who did something terrible.
The Watson we knew at Clemson is the true Watson. Gracious to fans, a great team leader and someone who built homes for the poor. But the Watson behind closed doors in these allegations is also the true Watson. It is possible for both to be true.
For all we know he did not do anything like that while at Clemson so perhaps it truly was money that changed him, made him thing he could do anything he wanted.
What’s sad is that before these allegations came to light, Watson was widely liked by the football world. People were starting to praise him and his leadership in Houston. I remember he gave a detailed answer to the press about a play call shortly before all of this and many people called it the best answer they had heard a QB give.
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So this is where the 'Virtue Signaling Addicts' talk shop(smh)...
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The combination of disingenuous dribble, hypocrisy and naivety on display in this thread is vomit inducing.(More so in the replies) Definitely Kamala voters in this thread,100%, vapid empty vessels.
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So this is where the 'Virtue Signaling Addicts' talk shop(smh)...
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The combination of disingenuous dribble, hypocrisy and naivety on display in this thread is vomit inducing.(More so in the replies) Definitely Kamala voters in this thread,100%, vapid empty vessels.
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Re: So this is where the 'Virtue Signaling Addicts' talk shop(smh)...
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Just because you are a Clemson Legend and really good at football does not make you beyond criticism. He does not need to be proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt for me to question his character.
DW4 defenders:
would you be comfortable with him mentoring your sons or being alone with your daughters?
None of his defenders will would give these insane benefits of the doubt to anyone who is not a Clemson football legend, simple as that.
Talent does not equal character no matter how great, this board revels in calling out others schools players when they have character issues.
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If you believe none of this happened and it was all
Sep 10, 2024, 12:33 PM
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completely fabricated to fleece Watson out of his money, you are the naive one.
And if any of it at all is true, Watson is, at best, a sketchy pervert, and worst case, a criminal sexual predator.
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Then file a gd police report like a true victim of a crime would....
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...You know it says "gullible" on the ceiling...
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Re: Who here remembers the DW4 that came to Clemson, was a role model
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I think the Deshaun story should be instructive for Clemson in regards to preparing these kids for the realities of being an NFL star. We do a better job than most, but are still pretty naive about this stuff in general. Upstate SC is not known for its brothels, opium dens, or hip-hop album launch parties. It would help to partner with good sports agents that will help protect the guys from themselves and from predatory hangers-on.
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Game Changer [1849]
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Re: Who here remembers the DW4 that came to Clemson, was a role model
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Sep 10, 2024, 3:24 PM
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it's Tony Buzbee again... he will just roll out women until the end of this gravy train hits... all with the same exact line...
The entire story is childish and implausible...
The guy is slime...
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Orange Blooded [2196]
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I agree that Buzbee is a slime
Sep 10, 2024, 3:36 PM
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I disagree that it's implausible. It's 100% plausible.
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Associate AD [1041]
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How bout the Easter Bunny? Plausible as well?...
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Sep 10, 2024, 4:15 PM
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I bet your on the fence with a slight lean toward plausible.
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Orange Blooded [2196]
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Nobody could argue with that airtight logic
Sep 10, 2024, 5:28 PM
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The famous "Easter Bunny" argument wins every time.
Did you learn that from watching Blue's Clues in your Mom's basement, last week?
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Solid Orange [1383]
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Re: Who here remembers the DW4 that came to Clemson, was a role model
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Sep 10, 2024, 4:27 PM
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It’s a shame that so many of you have convicted and abandoned Watson.
As far as I know, he has never faced any criminal charges. Lots of civil suits.
I remember in a town I used to live in there was a contractor that operated his business by suing everybody. If he owed somebody money, he sued them and settled for a portion. He filed thousands of lawsuits and saved hundreds of millions of dollars.
Everybody in town knew he was a POS. I personally know bankers that stopped lending to him. I personally know attorneys that wouldn’t represent him because he had a long established track record of not paying his legal bills.
The dude was a mess. First class POS.
But forget about him, the family that owns the Texans teamed up with buzbee and all they’re doing is filing lawsuit after lawsuit against Watson. These people are 100% garbage.
If Watson is convicted in a court of law, then OK he is guilty and I will recognize his guilt.
But for now, all I see is a bunch of trashy dirtballs making accusations.
Until I see learn otherwise, I fully support Watson.
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Rival Killer [2832]
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Re: Who here remembers the DW4 that came to Clemson, was a role model
Sep 10, 2024, 4:32 PM
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TFG hangs out with #### stars as well...so does that make him trash in your opinion?
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110%er [3764]
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Re: Who here remembers the DW4 that came to Clemson, was a role model
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Sep 10, 2024, 4:33 PM
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I got nothing but love for DW4.
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Solid Orange [1383]
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Re: Who here remembers the DW4 that came to Clemson, was a role model
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Sep 10, 2024, 8:00 PM
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Me too. I gotta hear a lot more than a bunch of allegations from a sleaze bag attorney to ditch somebody.
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Athletic Dir [1133]
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Re: Who here remembers the DW4 that came to Clemson, was a role model
Sep 11, 2024, 7:26 AM
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And he went out with Habitat for humanity helping build houses. Was a great kid.
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Athletic Dir [1141]
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Re: Who here remembers the DW4 that came to Clemson, was a role model
Sep 11, 2024, 7:37 AM
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Was he really a role model or is that what they wanted us to see...how often does a Tiger change his stripes...mant of these don't have a real chance!
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