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Orange Blooded [4359]
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I do t get the hate on this board for Texas A&M. Their SOS is tough,
Nov 2, 2016, 5:51 AM
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and only loss is to Bama. So what if they had a close game with Tenn or others...Clemson is # 2 and we just about blew it against NC State and Troy. I hate the SEC as much as anyone, but how is it okay for us to squeak by, but not okay for other teams? And it's not likely they will stay there since they have no current path to the SECCG.
Some of our fans need to try and remove the orange glasses at least every once in a while to see things objectively. Besides, all we have to do is win and we are in. Who even cares who else is there. We've got our place secured. Go Tigers!
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We still have a few ball games to win ourselves***
Nov 2, 2016, 6:05 AM
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Re: I do t get the hate on this board for Texas A&M. Their SOS is tough,
Nov 2, 2016, 6:09 AM
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I think the biggest issue is they are ahead of an undefeated Washington (and are from the SEC)
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Re: I do t get the hate on this board for Texas A&M. Their SOS is tough,
Nov 2, 2016, 6:28 AM
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I didn't get to watch the selection show, but when I found out Texas A&M was #4 I about fell out of my chair.
I don't know what their SOS is, but it must be high because all I've heard is that the committee values SOS, and conference championships as much as W-L records. Washington's schedule is pretty atrocious (thanks Stanford and Oregon sucking) but other than the Auburn win A&M doesn't have any really impressive victories. Losing to 'Bama must have helped push them over the top, and I'm only half kidding.
Either way, if Washington wins out they're in and have nothing to worry about. The only way A&M stays inside the tip 4 is if teams start losing. I think Louisville is the better team and I'm positive their fans whining about it too. Their only loss is better than A&M's and they're sitting at #7.
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Their schedule is weak, they beat Usuck and Tenn
Nov 2, 2016, 6:32 AM
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One of them we all knew sucked and the other was exposed. The best thing on their resume is a "quality" loss to Alabama. It doesn't add up
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Re: Their schedule is weak, they beat Usuck and Tenn
Nov 2, 2016, 6:55 AM
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So I guess beating auburn at auburn isn't something to be valued? It's a good win for us, but not for them. Riiiiiight.
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If you think it's bad here imagine what Washington
Nov 2, 2016, 6:13 AM
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Orange Blooded [4359]
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They weren't that shocked last night
Nov 2, 2016, 12:50 PM
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right after it was released. I was curious, so I checked. That may have changed, but the ones I saw were okay. I think they are just happy to be in the conversation.
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Re: I do t get the hate on this board for Texas A&M. Their SOS is tough,
Nov 2, 2016, 6:17 AM
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"All we have to do is win, and we are in." That's what Washington said, but it didn't work out that way for them.
If TAM wins out, then "maybe" they belong in the final 4, but as of right now, an undefeated Washington deserves the #4 spot until they lose. If it gets to where an undefeated major conference school can't get in the final 4 over a one or 2 loss SEC team, then we might as well stop the whole process.
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No, i feel the exact opposite of that is true. A&M has a
Nov 2, 2016, 8:27 AM
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better case right now than they will at the end of the season if both teams win out. Right now you can only rank the teams on 8 games. No division championships, no conference championships, etc. If Washington continues to win and takes the Pac 12 at 13-0, they will add a lot to their resume that A&M likely cannot. At that point they A&M will slide back and teams like Washington will be able to jump them.
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Re: No, i feel the exact opposite of that is true. A&M has a
Nov 2, 2016, 8:34 AM
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How dare you make a reasoned post. ??
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While what you're saying is 100% correct, the issue I have
Nov 2, 2016, 9:42 AM
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with the process and this line of thinking is this:
If Texas A&M is good enough to be #4 in the country right now, and they win out (along with the other 3 above them winning out as well as Washington winning out), then A&M did nothing to lose that spot. Are they all of a sudden not worthy of #4? They did nothing to lose it, but you're going to drop them in the final poll? To me, this is where ranking them ahead of Washington right now is a problem. I understand Washington will have the chance to win a conference title, get to 13-0, etc. but on the off chance that both run the table, it still seems flawed to me.
But given the system we have in place, your statement is 100% correct.
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To say that is Wash deserves just b/c
Nov 2, 2016, 12:43 PM
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They are undefeated is completely ignoring SOS. Would you put an undefeated Boise State or Washington state ahead of a 1-loss Clemson?
NO! So the same apples to Washington. They haven't played anyone to make their undefeated record better than TAM's 1-loss record.
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Orange Blooded [4359]
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Yoy don't understand how this works.
Nov 2, 2016, 1:12 PM
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The committee starts from scratch each week. So if Wash keeps winning they will be in I've TAM. It's happened every year as the season progresses.
They are only ranking them on week 8, not weeks 9-12. The ranking now is meaningless.
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Re: Hate for Texas A&M
Nov 2, 2016, 7:29 AM
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I have mixed emotions here. I think it unfair to Washington, but also think aTm's loss to Bama as their only 'blemish' is hard to hold against them.
But I DO agree that at times the hand wringing, sniping and back biting that we do here on tnet is 'cootish'.
It's those times when I try to bite my tongue (ok, so that doesn't happen enough), lean back in my chair and think:
"DAMB! It's GREAT to be a Tiger!"
GO TIGERS!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Hate for Texas A&M
Nov 2, 2016, 8:40 AM
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Yeah that's the problem with the whole situation when teams don't have common opponents.
I'm surprised the playoff committee did it though. Because how do you bump A&M down if they don't lose the rest of the season?
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Orange Blooded [2574]
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because at the end of the season UW would add a championship
Nov 2, 2016, 8:42 AM
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which would likely propel them over A&M
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^^^^ THIS ^^^^***
Nov 2, 2016, 10:07 AM
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At this point in the season, Texas A&M has a better profile
Nov 2, 2016, 12:05 PM
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according to the selection committee. Before the last ranking Washington could have a championship whereas Texas AM more than likely will not. Championships have been repeatedly declared as the first metric. At that point and not before, UW's resume should become 'more impressive' to the committee.
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Re: At this point in the season, Texas A&M has a better profile
Nov 2, 2016, 12:13 PM
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So would a 12-0 ND not get in the playoff because they don't meet the criteria for the #1 metric?
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Personally I say yes..no ND
Nov 2, 2016, 12:37 PM
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If the power fives have undefeated champions.
Assuming all undefeated.
Power 4 with champ games
Big12
ND
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Every1 in a conference is eligible to compete for a tropy
Nov 2, 2016, 12:33 PM
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Am has their opportunity.
Suposedly clemson has the toughest sos at this point.
I think it is fairly safe to say syracuse would be 2 or 3 right now if they beat clemson.
Do you think clemson would be #4?
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Re: Every1 in a conference is eligible to compete for a tropy
Nov 2, 2016, 4:25 PM
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It just seems silly that winning the AAC would be more valuable than Louisville going 11-1.
It's illogical.
I would have Alabama as a clear #1, Clemson and Michigan interchangeable at 2 and 3, and Washington at 4.
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Yes, that's generally how winning works. If they won, they
Nov 2, 2016, 2:55 PM
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could have competed. But they didn't, so they can't. Therefore, they are penalized. Kind of like when Bama wins, they don't actually share the trophy with SCAR even though you coots might claim it.
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Re: They're *eligible*, they just didn't win it.***
Nov 2, 2016, 7:03 PM
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That's just factually incorrect. They're not able to win the PAC 12.
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Orange Blooded [4359]
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You are my new favorite TNETTER.
Nov 2, 2016, 12:55 PM
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I 100% agree that some people on this board are such whiners and complainers...not only about our team, but other teams as well. It is cootish. Clemson should be better than that.
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What do orange glasses have to do with Texas A&M?
Nov 2, 2016, 8:07 AM
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Clemson did not play am. Why would you assume it has an thing to do with am or clemson?
Can you take off your glasses and see why people would be upset to see an undefeated power 5 team ranked below a 1 loss power five team.
CAN you step back and sympathize with people who do not want to see another alabama vs lsu Bullssheel champ game?
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Because Clemson fans spend half their time b*tching and
Nov 2, 2016, 8:29 AM
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moaning about the SEC?
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Clemson fans do enjoy documenting the bias
Nov 2, 2016, 10:45 AM
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Toward the sec. This is true.
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It arguably affects us (and FSU) more than anyone
Nov 2, 2016, 5:01 PM
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else in the country.
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Orange Blooded [4359]
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The orange glasses reference is for
Nov 2, 2016, 1:00 PM
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Those who can't talk about anything but an SEC conspiracy. This committee has done nothing the last few years to show bias like the BCS did. And they didn't last night either.
And no...no sympathy for the TAM/Wash issue because it's not an issue. The committee will swap them as the season progresses. TAM cannot stay there because they have no path currently to the SECCG. You are reacting without knowing all the facts.
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rank TAMU's wins
Nov 2, 2016, 8:20 AM
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UCLA (3-5)
W31-24 OT
Prairie View A&M (5-3)
W67-0
Auburn (6-2)
W29-16
Arkansas (5-3)
W45-24
South Carolina (4-4)
W24-13
Tennessee (5-3)
W45-38 2OT
#1 Alabama (8-0)
L33-14
New Mexico St (2-6)
W52-10
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1. Auburn
2. TN in 2OT? (pretty bad 2nd best win)
3. Ark
4. SCAR
5. UCLA
6. Prarie View
7. NM State
Their best win is probably Clemson's 3rd best win. Their 2nd best win just lost to the freaking Cluckers. Plus they've lost a game.
And they are ranked just 2 slots below Clemson.
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Clemson is the wrong team to compare them with.
Nov 2, 2016, 8:50 AM
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Compare them to the teams around them that they are competing with, namely Washington and the other relevant 1-loss teams, OSU and Louisville.
Washington wins: Rutgers (2-6), Idaho (4-4), Portland State (2-6), Arizona (2-6), Stanford (5-3), Oregon (3-5), Oregon State (2-5), Utah (7-2).
Outside of Utah that's straight garbage. Stanford is their 2nd best win and Stanford stinks this year. They are currently 49th in F/+ behind teams like UCLA, NC State, and ND.
Ohio State wins: Bowling Green (1-7), Tulsa (6-2), Oklahoma (6-2), Rutgers (2-6), Indiana (4-4), Wisconsin (6-2), Northwestern (4-4). And of course 1 loss at Penn State (6-2).
Of note here, Washington's marquee win, Utah, is ranked 38th in the F/+. Ohio State has beaten #9 Wisconsin on the road, #19 Oklahoma on the road, and lost to #14 Penn State on the road. They've played 3 road games that are tougher than ANY game that Washington has played.
Louisville wins: Charlotte (3-5), Cuse (4-4), FSU (5-3), Marshall (2-6), Duke (3-5), NC State (4-4), UVA (2-6). And the 1 loss at Clemson (8-0).
Louisville's marquee win is now 5-3. What's their next best win? An NC State team that has lost 3 straight and just became the first ACC team to lose to BC since 2014? Louisville does have the best loss, but they really need more than just the FSU win, even if they did beat them by 43.
When i look at these 4 teams, Louisville appears to have the weakest resume. I don't think it's really a surprise they are 7th. Their only real selling point has been the blowouts, but a couple recent close scrapes with Coastal bottom feeders Duke and UVA has tarnished that reputation some as well.
You can also see just how weak Washington's schedule has been. I think there's a pretty good chance that any of these 4 teams could be 8-0 against Washington's schedule. They had the one test at Utah and scraped by on a punt return. Granted Utah is a tough place to play and that's a nice win, but it's by far the best thing on their resume, and that's not great.
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agreed; the bottom line is that there ain't much out there
Nov 2, 2016, 8:54 AM
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pretty weak field to choose from if TAMU can be justified at #4.
There is another month of games out there to change things, but as of right now the pickin's are slim to find 4 playoff-worthy teams.
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Re: agreed; the bottom line is that there ain't much out there
Nov 2, 2016, 9:09 AM
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A&M is the only sec team I can pull for. I have family that went there. They deserve to be there now. They wont be if Alabama wins out and Washington wins out. Conf champ trumps!
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OK, rank Washington's wins...
Nov 2, 2016, 8:53 AM
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Rutgers (2-6)
W 48-13
Idaho (4-4)
W 59-14
Portland St. (2-6)
W 41-3
Arizona (2-6)
W 35-28 (OT)
Stanford (5-3)
W 44-6
Oregon (3-5)
W 70-21
Oregon St. (2-6)
W 41-17
Utah (7-2)
W 31-24
Utah
Stanford
After that their opponents have a combined 13-33 record. Rank them however you like.
Utah is the only team that they've beaten with a football pulse. Stanford and Oregon are woeful this year. Washington's SOS will improve over the rest of the season with upcoming games against USC and Washington St. plus the conference championship. If they win out there's no way the committee will keep them out.
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I'd put the Alabama loss at the top
Nov 2, 2016, 12:36 PM
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best loss in the Country. Besides since nobody can beat Bama, you have to ignore the loss.
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Re: rank TAMU's wins
Nov 2, 2016, 1:09 PM
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Auburn is a good win. And the win against TN...if you apply your reasoning to them, you have to apply to clemson as well. We were lucky to beat NCSU and Troy. How's it any different?
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Uh, not quite.
Nov 2, 2016, 5:05 PM
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We were the ones turning it over to keep the game close against lesser competition. TAMU was the RECIPIENT of seven turnovers, six in regulation just to get to OT, AT HOME. It's not the same.
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We have a 0 in the loss column, as does UW.. TexAM has 1 loss.
Nov 2, 2016, 9:08 AM
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Certainly you understand the difference.
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S I M P L E
Nov 2, 2016, 9:10 AM
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Who was number one most likely hinged on who(whom?) was rated higher between A&M and UofL. Just a guess of course.
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My only argument is that they didn't "squeak" by,
Nov 2, 2016, 9:38 AM
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they lost. To a team in their division, and in all likelihood won't even play in their conference championship much less win it.
That's a disqualifier to me.
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Re: My only argument is that they didn't "squeak" by,
Nov 2, 2016, 10:36 AM
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^^^^THIS.
It should be blatantly obvious to everyone that if there is not a snowball's chance in Hades that a team can possibly even sniff a chance to play in a conference championship, that they should NOT be considered over an undefeated team that will probably play in a conference championship game and will win it. I can't even imagine the logic behind putting TAM into the playoff conversation. That has ESPN/SEC influence written all over it.
Is Hillary an SEC graduate or something? She has to be doing something crooked here to make this bonehead decision. Does she cheat at everything?
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I agree, can't have it both ways. aTm is top 4 right now.***
Nov 2, 2016, 9:43 AM
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Objectivity is not allowed on this bored ; )***
Nov 2, 2016, 10:40 AM
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I place the blame for Clemson fans being biased toward...
Nov 2, 2016, 10:57 AM
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any SEC team squarely on the shoulders of ESPiN's commontaters. I noticed just yesterday that they vehemently defended Bama's win over Tennessee as a top 25 win by stating 'Tennessee was a top team when Bama played them.'
In the same segment the same guys criticized another team because their best wins were against teams that have fallen in the ranking since the games were played. The bias was obvious and intentional, a true rationalization by definition.
Anyone who spend time watching ESPiN will soon become furious is they pay attention and will eventually become numb to what they say and develop a position which is counter to ESPiN. It's a natural defense mechanism to bullchit.
In this case I agree with the Committee's rankings. AnM has a much tougher schedule and meets the requirements to be ranked above Washington.
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Re: I do t get the hate on this board for Texas A&M. Their SOS is tough,
Nov 2, 2016, 12:35 PM
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Well at this point A&M is not winning their conference. The other teams probably will. If they want in they should have beat Bama. They will #### the bed before its over though.
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Re: I do t get the hate on this board for Texas A&M. Their SOS is tough,
Nov 2, 2016, 1:49 PM
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The sos of Ta&m is there, but they have one loss and a shot at the final four if Al loses...twice. It won't happen. If Washington stumbles, Ta&m is in if they don't lose. I thinks you will see Michigan in it they beat OS and both win out. If Washington wins out and the conference championship, then they will be in. I don't think the committee thinks they are that good and they won in regulation on a punt return with 3 illegal blocks. Al is in with one loss and Clemson should win out and be in.
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Well there's a 3-way tie scenario involving A&M, Bama, and
Nov 2, 2016, 7:23 PM
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Auburn all sitting at 7-1, but Bama would probably win the tie-breaker regardless.
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