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Oculus Spirit [93567]
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Whether or not muslims denounce terrorism...
May 26, 2017, 5:31 PM
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will not change our resolve to eliminate terrorism. I'm not entertaining the idea that it will help for muslim groups to speak out one way or the other. I might have a bit more respect for them if they did but it won't change my life either way.
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Re: Whether or not muslims denounce terrorism...
May 26, 2017, 5:49 PM
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you understand most people killed by terrorists are muslims. it is assinine to think that the vast majority of them do not denounce it.
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Their silence is deafening.***
May 26, 2017, 5:52 PM
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Re: Their silence is deafening.***
May 26, 2017, 5:54 PM
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I guess you are waiting for Fox News to air a special on it?
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Oculus Spirit [93567]
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They probably have...
May 29, 2017, 4:45 PM
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and I just missed it.
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I'm against white bigotry in any form.
May 29, 2017, 4:43 PM
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I hope anyone and everyone who seeks to harm another because of their race or religious beliefs is stopped and imprisoned.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiya
You are a troll.
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You clearly do not understand jihad.
May 29, 2017, 4:42 PM
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It's allah's forces fighting against anyone who stands in their way of doing allah's will. So no, I don't think most devout muslims think terrorism is wrong. It probably makes them more careful in their prayer and obedience to allah.
Any muslim who doesn't believe that this is a no holds barred fight against infidels is apostate and worthy of death in a jihadist mind.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiya
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That's an awfully wordy lecture from someone who thought
May 29, 2017, 4:46 PM
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Iran supported ISIS.
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Oculus Spirit [93567]
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Lutz, I appreciate being schooled.
May 29, 2017, 7:27 PM
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Yep, if someone doesn't know what the i in isis is then the bombs won't hurt them. I kinda wish y'all had left me ignorant about that.
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Re: You clearly do not understand jihad.
May 30, 2017, 1:49 AM
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And apparently, neither do you:
"Jihad (English pronunciation: /d???h??d/; Arabic: ?????? jih?d [d???ha?d]) is an Arabic word which literally means striving or struggling, especially with a praiseworthy aim.[1][2][3] It can have many shades of meaning in an Islamic context, such as struggle against one's evil inclinations, or efforts toward the moral betterment of society.[1][2][4] In classical Islamic law, the term refers to armed struggle against unbelievers,[2][3] while modernist Islamic scholars generally equate military jihad with defensive warfare.[5][6] In Sufi and pious circles, spiritual and moral jihad has been traditionally emphasized under the name of greater jihad.[7][3] The term has gained additional attention in recent decades through its use by terrorist groups.
The word jihad appears frequently in the Quran with and without military connotations,[8] often in the idiomatic expression "striving in the path of God (al-jihad fi sabil Allah)
Do fanatical extremist use it? Sure they do. But that is not the general understanding of the term understood by most Moslems.
Not sure why you posted a link to Taqiya, which is the denial of one's own Muslim religion under certain circumstances:
Taqiya (Arabic: ?????? taqiyyah/taq?yah, literally "prudence, fear, caution")[1][2] is an Arabic term referring to precautionary dissimulation or denial of religious belief and practice in the face of persecution.[3][4][1][5] Another term for this concept, kitm?n (lit. "action of covering, dissimulation"), has a more specific meaning of dissimulation by silence or omission.[6][7]
This practice is emphasized in Shia Islam whereby adherents are permitted to conceal their religion when under threat of persecution or compulsion.[3][8] However, it is also permitted in Sunni Islam under certain circumstances.[9][10]
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Oculus Spirit [93567]
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Thanks.
May 30, 2017, 11:14 AM
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I appreciate that. It adds nothing to my understanding of jihad. I am well aware of man's fight within his heart to seek out and follow God's will. I have spoken of my own issue with that struggle more than once here. I do not know if you were here during the time darealmvp posted regularly or not but we talked about many of the considerations Christians have with this struggle. Man's struggle with his own heart was one of the topics which he showed great patients to allow me to share with him.
I said muslims lie about their religion and I also said I do not care if they speak our or not. Your post explains why. Thank you for your consideration. Was there something else you might contribute?
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Be honest with everyone about this...
May 30, 2017, 11:04 AM
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1. How extensive is your education of the Islamic world?
2. And where/how did you obtain it?
3. And what was your opinion of Islam going into your scholastic journey?
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Oculus Spirit [93567]
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I read.
May 30, 2017, 11:16 AM
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Be honest, that's the extent of most of our members here.
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Which explains a lot, but...
May 30, 2017, 11:36 AM
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What do you read?
Are you familiar with the author's backgrounds? Their agenda's? Their sources?
Care to elaborate?
Why do I ask? These things matter because they serve as the foundation for your opinions.
I try only to make judgments and accusations of people or groups if I feel pretty darn comfortable that my opinions are derived from something I can be somewhat confident in. I also try to make sure I am aware of my own bias and aware of my own limitations.
The opinions about Islam and terrorism and Jihad etc etc that are tossed around here are obviously cobbled together with an EXTREME ignorance of the topics. It's almost as if people feel something, and they know other famous people agree, so they feel comfortable taking a leap of faith and blurting out something they have no way of knowing is accurate or not.
With many topics, that's perfectly cool and fine with me. But when it comes to labeling a fifth of the world as deviants, or terrorist sympathizers, or the enemy to Western Civilization, then it becomes a moral issue.
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I'll give you this...
May 30, 2017, 3:25 PM
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you have a very sneaky/crafty way of saying I don't know what I'm talking about. Have you considered having my sanity tried? Maybe my physical health and nutrition intake. ###, don't stop there. Say I have a small ##### or something.
Dammmitboy.
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And you have a sneaky crafty way of....
May 30, 2017, 5:47 PM
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making it sound as if you are open to making conclusions based on solid information, yet you make harsh judgments on large swathes of people based on scant info.
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Re: And you have a sneaky crafty way of....
May 30, 2017, 5:54 PM
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Solid information like the founder of Islam being a murdering pedophile?
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Yeah well, he wasn't. You're confused and misguided.***
May 30, 2017, 5:55 PM
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Re: Yeah well, he wasn't. You're confused and misguided.***
May 31, 2017, 11:58 AM
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"Muhammad is a narcissist, a pedophile, a mass murderer,
a terrorist, a misogynist, a lecher, a cult leader, a madman
a rapist, a torturer, an assassin and a looter.
Former Muslim Ali Sina offered $50,000 to anyone
who could prove this wrong based on Islamic texts.
The reward has gone unclaimed."
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/muhammad/life-of-muhammad.aspx
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The vast majority of Muslims
May 30, 2017, 1:30 PM
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do not hold to that extreme view. Just as the vast majority of Christians do not believe that gay people should be stoned to death.
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False analogy.
May 30, 2017, 3:35 PM
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Christians are not apostate if they don't believe gays should be stoned to death. Nothing in our agreement with God (New Testament) provides for us to do harm to another. We were specifically freed from Levitical Law of sin and death.
I will concede that secular Christians are apt to have no opinion or understanding of much of our directives/commands or regulations for we have but two. Love God with all your heart and your fellow man as yourself. We all struggle with both parts.
There are certainly no provision to fight a physical battle in the name of Christ though Christians will fight for our freedom as directed by our earthly rulers.
I'd buy into jihad being similar to bombing abortion clinics. I know no Christian who approves of such violence and destruction. Setting a bomb which destroys others or property is a sure violation of our first and second commandments.
Muslims have no such commandments that I'm aware of but I have read only excerpts from their Bible. I know enough to know that it seems a lot like the deal God gave the Jewish nation when they specifically requested a law by which to please him. It's called the Old Testament.
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Bull. Your version of Christianity doesn't...
May 30, 2017, 5:54 PM
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but there are other people throughout history who have interpreted Christianity differently.
See how you have to qualify your statement by saying new testament? We both know it literally says to stone unbelievers to death.
Funny you will use part of the Old Testament to win an argument, but then throw it under the bus when it doesn't suit you. It's like a defense attorney with the law.
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You're just throwing chit against the wall to see what stick
May 30, 2017, 9:40 PM
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I reference the old testament for history or to tell a story. I do not throw the old testament under the bus. More than a few times I've declared Levitical Law to have been given to a respected group, thereby putting us all under the law of sin and death.
To attempt to obey that law and earn a place with God in Heaven is the exact way to end up without God in the next life. 'For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God.' 'None is righteous, no not one.'
Levitical Law was the mark of a change of dispensation. Previously man was in the dispensation called 'before the law.' LL put man under the law. We are now in the dispensation of grace. 'By the words of the law will none be justified.'
You have perpetrated the greatest slander against a Christian and told a lie straight from helll. I have not in 45 years measured myself with Levitical Law. I measure myself by Christ who is much more perfect than anything written on stones and tablets. For the record, I do not measure up.
My version of Christianity is pure and true. I'll discuss and defend exactly what I believe with anyone at any time. Try me.
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Everybody thinks their version of their religion is
May 31, 2017, 11:23 AM
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pure and true.
You were raised in a place and time that makes your beliefs different from other people. For most of of the history of Christianity, the religion was used to justify slavery, invasions, genocide, ethnic cleansing what have you. Not because Jesus told them to, but because people bend religion to suit their lives and personalities.
You take comfort in your belief that your very specific and minority interpretation of the same religion is the one in a million that's actually totally right. That's way more arrogant than anything I ever said here.
Three questions...
1. Have you ever referred to the Old Testament to explain God's Will to people or justify a belief?
2. Do you believe that anything in the Old Testament is not currently applicable?
3. Where did God say specifically that your cherry picking is authorized? In other words, who decides which particular things still apply and which do not?
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Re: Everybody thinks their version of their religion is
May 31, 2017, 12:36 PM
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1. Never anything in Levitical Law. If you haven't read LL then educate yourself by reading it instead of what people say about it. It was given to me as a teaching tool to let me know I could never enter God's Kingdom under the law.
Other verses such as The 23rd or 100th Pslam I've shared. Read them.
2. Yes, everything in the old testament is applicable. If you do not received God's Christ in your heart you are under the law. I am not under the law. That's for you to be concerned about, not me. My concern is to follow Jesus Christ allowing His way in my heart. That is my struggle.
3. I am not cherry picking. The directives which I have received are sprinkled throughout the Bible. Show me one and we'll talk.
Romans 13:8 'Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.'
I've explained that grace is given to those who understand that LL is impossible to obey. My law is a law of the heart. If you think I have it easy or am seeking the easy way out you should try and love someone who mistreats your children or spouse. You might want to try and love through all that and understand the power of that commandment. There's only one way to love like that and Levitical Law provides no solution. '...Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us.'
Folks who pray that are asking God to hold anything against them that they hold against another.
Did you ever wonder why there are three in the Godhead? God the Father sits on the throne of eternal power in heaven. God the Son who came and died for your sin sits on God the Father's right. The third party of the Godhead is God the Spirit. You are sitting on His throne. At times we all sit on His throne for His throne is within our hearts.
Levitical Law could not seat the Spirit of God. Only the grace manifested in His Son can rightly sit Him on His Throne. That's what negated the law for those under grace. It's wonderful to be free of the law of sin and death.
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Re: Everybody thinks their version of their religion is
May 31, 2017, 4:50 PM
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1. Do you not sense how hypocritical this is? You are willing to make very specific and far-reaching judgments on Muslims, based on an extremely parochial perception of the Koran, Hadiths and the history of the Islamic World but then you ask me to 'read it instead of reading what others say about it?' A couple of things, you, like I, probably rely on other people's translations. That means you probably don't even have pure access to the original text. And you should apply your standards of being able to claim you understand something properly evenly. I know more about Christianity, and the historical context around it than I do Islam. I was never a Muslim, but I was a Christian apologist for a time.
2. You claim on the one hand that Levitical Law is not used to explain God's Will to people or justify a belief, yet in the next point you say it's all currently applicable. It appears you are claiming that Levitical law is still God's law for those who don't share your beliefs about dogma. If so, that's a massive contradiction. It would mean that within the Christian belief system, there is a place for stoning unbelievers to death according to laws set by God.
3. You most certainly are cherry-picking. You are deciding which piece of the Old Testament applies to which people. And you use loosely related fables from thousands of years ago to substitute for explicit, specific justification for it. That's because none exists. Because the very specific and minority beliefs you have about Christianity must be processed through a very cumbersome and controversial function.
I can claim that logic is a gift from God that those who prefer the unnatural and irrational comforts of dogma have to actively turn away from. I don't believe God will torture you for your mistake. After all, you were designed to make that mistake. Being tortured for something beyond your control is a very human-like punishment.
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Re: Everybody thinks their version of their religion is
May 31, 2017, 6:22 PM
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I have to give you credit bro.....you have an uncanny ability to make your ignorance sound very eloquent and sophisticated.....
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Re: Everybody thinks their version of their religion is
May 31, 2017, 7:00 PM
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1. I understand dedication to God. That gives me a frame of reference which you lack. See, that's how you explain to someone they are ignorant.
2. I did not mean that LL is not of value to Christian.
Galatians chpt 3
21. Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which
could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might
be given to them that believe.
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should
afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by
faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
3 is just a rehashing of #2.
'Logic is a gift of God?'
Welcome to Corinthians chap 2
9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
Notice the word 'but,' indicating a variance from what was previously said. 'But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit...' Eye hath not see...neither has entered into the heart of man ...BUT GOD HATH REVEALED THEM TO US...'
If Christ doesn't sit on the throne in your heart you will never understand. Don't waste your time struggling with the '...deep things of God.'
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Re: Everybody thinks their version of their religion is
May 31, 2017, 12:48 PM
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" For most of of the history of Christianity, the religion was used to justify slavery, invasions, genocide, ethnic cleansing what have you. "
Those people were cherry picking.....CT88 is not.
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Re: News story from one day ago.
May 30, 2017, 12:23 PM
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They going to hell.....
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Also, when you say "our resolve,"
May 30, 2017, 1:34 PM
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I assume you are talking about all Americans, yes? This would include the 3m or so Muslims that are happily living here.
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Re: Also, when you say "our resolve,"
May 31, 2017, 7:02 PM
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I was speaking collectively as in our public officials and government in general.
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Right now the bombs are a lot louder than the voices.***
May 31, 2017, 5:24 PM
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