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Oculus Spirit [90819]
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What's going on at our colleges & shootings?
Nov 14, 2022, 10:17 AM
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Univ of Idaho had 4 students killed in apt this weekend and now 3 at UVa.
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Re: What's going on at our colleges & shootings?
Nov 14, 2022, 10:28 AM
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Very good question and more than likely a complicated answer which doesn't please people. I'd say it's no surprise our current culture is helping produce this. Everything is superficial, there's no facing adversity, people live vicariously though other people's social media, etc. Bunch of contributing factors. Erosion of religion also. Mental health. You name it.
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Easy access to firearms when one has a pique of anger or
Nov 14, 2022, 10:31 AM
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mental break from reality is part of it. Used to be that a case of rage ended with a fist fight. Now it is easy to escalate. (Not advocating gun round ups.)
Also, nihilism seems to be growing in the young male demographic.
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Re: Easy access to firearms when one has a pique of anger or
Nov 14, 2022, 10:55 AM
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Are firearms easier to access today than they were 50 years ago? I remember as a ~ 20 year old I went to White Jones Hardware in Anderson and bought a Beretta 25 Auto. No waiting period or CCP required. Just a DL and $120 bucks and out the door. Now it is much harder to buy a pistol. Note I still have the pistol but never shot anyone with it or even pointed it at anything other than a paper target (or perhaps a can).
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110%er [7013]
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Yes it is still that easy (in VA at least) and the populatio
Nov 14, 2022, 11:03 AM
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n is much higher today. So if 1 in a million people are homicidal maniacs, we have close to 100 more of them walking around.
Also, the guns available today are generally more deadly. Revolvers have always been common. Not so much high capacity 9mm and ARs
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Re: Easy access to firearms when one has a pique of anger or
Nov 14, 2022, 3:24 PM
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It really doesn't have much at all to do with a gun. People don't want to hear that, but it's true. Guns were easier to get 30-40 years ago for sure. That's a fact.
I know he/she ^^ said the type of guns have changed, and they have somewhat, but most of these shootings are happening with stuff around then also. They've gotten more popular, sure, but ARs and semi auto pistols were around then too.
When 3 people get shot, it really doesn't matter if it's a revolver or a semi auto pistol. An M1 Garand is gonna inflict just as much or more damage than most Call of Duty style rifles out there.
The bottom line is exactly what I said above, hurt people hurt people. And we've got a bunch of young people hurting, because of what we value and how we've placed our priorities in this society, and that's just how it is. You can't legislate that out, and even if you could there's massive costs that you don't even see that can be worse than the problem now.
Let's just try to start at home and raise the best possible people and humans we can, with self worth, work ethic, good solid foundations of purpose and where they come from, a strong family and support system, etc. The thing we can do legislatively is help our mental health system.
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Re: Easy access to firearms when one has a pique of anger or
Nov 15, 2022, 1:00 PM
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There were more firearm deaths in 1992 per capita than today.
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Re: What's going on at our colleges & shootings?
Nov 14, 2022, 10:34 AM
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People are crazy. You can’t go to a school, mall or even a church without a nut taking shots. Sad.
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My thoughts
Nov 14, 2022, 10:39 AM
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involve several key factors:
1. The number of healthy families these days seems to be on the decline. A family with two parents present in the home, involved in their kids' lives, who love and respect their kids and provide a stable upbringing, is more rare today than it used to be.
2. Kids are more stressed than ever. Competition to get into college, excel there, and have a successful future is very high. Plus, there is more pressure to be perfect on social media.
3. Access to firearms. It's not hard for someone to get a firearm if they want to.
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Re: What's going on at our colleges & shootings?
Nov 14, 2022, 10:39 AM
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Wokeness...
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A numbingly stupid non sequitur, even for this board***
Nov 14, 2022, 11:36 AM
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You need look no further than Washington to see the
Nov 14, 2022, 11:02 AM
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horrible examples being set for people across this country.
Our young folks are growing up thinking bitter discourse, vitriolic accusations, name-calling and outright threats are acceptable norms of behavior.
I understand the situation is more complex, but moral leadership is a trickle-down type, requiring our nation's leaders to rise in unison against the outrage, then begin setting examples.
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Re: You need look no further than Washington to see the
Nov 14, 2022, 11:48 AM
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It's almost like the Twitter in Chief's vitriolic dribble had some negative consequences.
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Frankly, I blame the entire crowd, regardless of party,
Nov 14, 2022, 1:54 PM
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for failure to take strong stands against the immorality into which we have fallen.
Every single member of Congress, members of our Executive Branch, as well as our Judiciary, should be rising as one voice, then exhibiting behavior other than we've witnessed over many years.
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Re: What's going on at our colleges & shootings?
Nov 14, 2022, 11:11 AM
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My sister is a high school teacher. She has been teaching for 28 years. She tells me that the students of today are vastly different from even 20 years ago. They disrespect her on every occasion. Her WOKE principal refuses to stop their use of cell phones in class and the students simply curse and fight as they know there will be no repercussions. Many are illegal with nothing at all to loose. She is under tremendous pressure to not only pass them all, but, to give a B or an A grade. I would not be a teacher in today's WOKE climate for anything.
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Where does she teach?
Nov 15, 2022, 7:27 AM
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Sounds really far fetched to me.
Kids are different. Yes. I suppose this could be said for any 20 yr period of time.
The rest sounds exaggerated to the point of nearly just being lies.
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Re: Where does she teach?
Nov 15, 2022, 12:53 PM
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Sounds really far fetched to me.
Kids are different. Yes. I suppose this could be said for any 20 yr period of time.
The rest sounds exaggerated to the point of nearly just being lies.
Are exposed to violence at an early age now. Many vi
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Re: Where does she teach?
Nov 15, 2022, 12:53 PM
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Sounds really far fetched to me.
Kids are different. Yes. I suppose this could be said for any 20 yr period of time.
The rest sounds exaggerated to the point of nearly just being lies.
Are exposed to violence at an early age now. Many vi
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Re: Where does she teach?
Nov 15, 2022, 12:53 PM
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Sounds really far fetched to me.
Kids are different. Yes. I suppose this could be said for any 20 yr period of time.
The rest sounds exaggerated to the point of nearly just being lies.
Are exposed to violence at an early age now. Many vi
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Re: Where does she teach?
Nov 15, 2022, 12:53 PM
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Sounds really far fetched to me.
Kids are different. Yes. I suppose this could be said for any 20 yr period of time.
The rest sounds exaggerated to the point of nearly just being lies.
Are exposed to violence at an early age now. Many vi
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Re: Where does she teach?
Nov 15, 2022, 12:53 PM
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Sounds really far fetched to me.
Kids are different. Yes. I suppose this could be said for any 20 yr period of time.
The rest sounds exaggerated to the point of nearly just being lies.
Are exposed to violence at an early age now. Many vi
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Re: What's going on at our colleges & shootings?
Nov 14, 2022, 11:13 AM
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Most colleges and universities now allow or have been forced to allow students to have guns on campus.
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Re: What's going on at our colleges & shootings?
Nov 14, 2022, 11:23 AM
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It's almost like growing up with "once in a generation events" happening every few months has led to instability in our youth.
Funding for everything in schools (k-12) has slowly been removed and people feel like they have no where to turn.
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Re: What's going on at our colleges & shootings?
Nov 14, 2022, 11:32 AM
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School budgets (funding) has increased every single year meaning no reduction
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I guess we're not allowed to mention something like "evil"
Nov 14, 2022, 11:37 AM
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Seems like a good (at least partial) explanation to me, though hopelessly outdated, apparently.
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Re: I guess we're not allowed to mention something like "evil"
Nov 15, 2022, 5:16 AM
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Clearly murdering another person is an evil act, but to simply just say it's evil and move on is kinda pointless to me. People have the ability to choose good or evil. To just say "Satan made them do it" is oversimplification to me. How do you stop Satan? God. While I agree kids raised to know christ aren't doing these things typically what do you say to parents raising kids without God? God or your kids a school shooter? That's not true either.
There are many different reasons that add up to someone doing something like that. These reasons can be changed.
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Not blaming satan at all
Nov 15, 2022, 12:37 PM
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I'm hopelessly outdated, but I believe (as has most of human history) that evil is not merely a choice or a force "out there", but something that is part of our human nature.
I'm not for a second blaming the devil. I'm asking whether we have the courage to admit that there is evil in the human heart. Let's stop treating symptoms only (gun abuse, social injustice, mental health). Those things are real, but the come from somewhere...not nowhere. Where?
But we don't want to hurt anyone's feelings by suggesting that the problem, ultimately, is...me.
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^^^very well said^^^
Nov 15, 2022, 1:01 PM
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America has devolved into a nation which is primarily secular humanistic. Man is considered to be god, since God isn't recognized and mankind is become the supreme beings of this universe.
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No kidding
Nov 15, 2022, 12:32 PM
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We're WAY too enlightened for such archaic ideas.
And yet...we seem to be getting worse. Go figure.
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Re: What's going on at our colleges & shootings?
Nov 15, 2022, 6:38 AM
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LBB my wife teaches at an unnamed elementary school and the stories I could tell would blow your mind. People want to keep blaming things that have been around forever but the reality a large portion of these kids do not have a chance. Some are being raised by grandparents if they are lucky. Having a mom and dad in the home has become a rarity. Student may come in in talking about domestic violence or mom went to jail over the weekend. This said school is in one of the best school districts in the state of SC so I can only imagine what some others are experiencing. Discipline has gone out the window and has become a joke, which with that and dealing with incompetent admin is driving teachers away from something that they once loved.
I say this because I believe it starts in the home with a mom and dad that not only loves the child but also teaches them right and wrong. It is a sad trend and seems to get worse every school year. At the end of the day a lot of these kids do not have a chance. Heartbreaking.
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Re: What's going on at our colleges & shootings?
Nov 15, 2022, 7:13 AM
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Teenagers have always been subject to emotional turmoil. Some kids have inner strength or a good support system. Other kids need -- but don't receive-- help in finding ways to cope and move on. Violent movies and video games have also desensitized many of our young people. They kill someone onscreen and that figure returns a few frames later. It's a terrifying world for parents. My daughter was in elementary school when the Newtown shooting occurred, in high school when the Parkland shooting occurred, and is majoring in elementary education so the Uvalde shooting also seems entirely too close. I hate that they had to add lockdown drills to the school safety plan, but sadly we need those skills and knowledge.
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Re: What's going on at our colleges & shootings?
Nov 15, 2022, 12:22 PM
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Stupid people with no morals acting like what they are.
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