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All-In [43977]
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I find it really unfortunate that some people here blame the players
Dec 3, 2021, 10:11 PM
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for transferring.
Every player who transfers gets criticized by at least one person (and usually many) for being selfish and bailing on the team for transferring.
First of all, I believe scholarships are renewed every 6-12 months. They are not 3-4 year contracts.
Second, the NCAA has allowed players to transfer without penalty.
Third, sometimes coaches fail to properly develop a player or mentor him when he’s struggling off the field.
Fourth, sometimes players have personal issues that are more important than football.
And fifth, these are young men who are still figuring out life and learning to be an adult. Sometimes there are growing pains and sometimes interests and desires change. That needs to be okay.
I understand that it’s frustrating to lose a player we had high hopes for, or who was expected to contribute in the future. But please stop with this criticism of these young men for not being dedicated or for bailing on the team. These young men make huge sacrifices to play a sport and you can’t blame them for wanting to be in a situation that seems better for them and their future.
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Re: I find it really unfortunate that some people here blame the players
Dec 3, 2021, 10:13 PM
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So this is the same for Brad Brownell bkball transfers? Not what you said last spring?
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All-In [43977]
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I don’t recall ever stating that a basketball player was selfish
Dec 3, 2021, 10:23 PM
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or bailed on the team.
I expressed surprise or confusion that a player transferred, but I didn’t question their character or devotion.
Why do you make every one of my posts about basketball? It’s really petty and diminishes your credibility.
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Oculus Spirit [76636]
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What credibility?***
Dec 3, 2021, 10:52 PM
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All-TigerNet [10400]
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Re: What credibility?***
Dec 4, 2021, 6:57 AM
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Do you share underwear drawers with judge or something? You follow him around TNet like a lap dog.
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CU Medallion [58311]
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I don't blame them at all.***
Dec 3, 2021, 10:14 PM
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Orange Blooded [2139]
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You fail to acknowledge a very important fact…
Dec 3, 2021, 10:20 PM
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Clemson (Dabo) recruits players until they graduate. If we make a recruiting mistake, it’s on us, not the player. We honor our commitments, some players do not. But, I wouldn’t have it any other way. I still believe that integrity pays off.
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All-In [43977]
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I’m glad our coaches have integrity, and wouldn’t want it any other way.
Dec 3, 2021, 10:27 PM
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But what you’re leaving out is that part of their integrity is being honest with a player when it’s not working out. They aren’t going to revoke a scholarship, but they absolutely are going to tell a guy if they don’t see him getting playing time. They will encourage players to look elsewhere if they don’t see things working out as planned.
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Orange Blooded [2139]
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But, it is the player’s decision to leave..
Dec 3, 2021, 10:39 PM
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he has a scholarship until he graduates. Period.
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Re: But, it is the player’s decision to leave..
Dec 3, 2021, 10:44 PM
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I don't blame most of the players. It is the situation they are in. Better players a head of them, etc.
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Orange Blooded [2139]
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I agree, but understand the difference..
Dec 3, 2021, 10:53 PM
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Our commits are GAURANTEED a scholarship until they graduate. How many schools do that?
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CU Medallion [64867]
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I would feel better about it if just one player would come
Dec 3, 2021, 10:46 PM
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right out and say that he was transferring because he and the coaches had done a thorough evaluation of his progress, and he was told flat out that he was not going to get much if any playing time here.
Instead, all we usually get is, "I am transferring, please respect my decision."
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Rock Defender [53]
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Re: I would feel better about it if just one player would come
Dec 4, 2021, 7:17 AM
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Pretty disgusting you get off on wanting to see players be publicly embarrassed because they weren’t good enough to play for us.
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Oculus Spirit [76636]
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I’d love for every player to love Clemson
Dec 3, 2021, 10:55 PM
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as much as I do, but sometimes they don’t. Nothing wrong with making a mistake, either way. I’m not a portal fan, but it’s use doesn’t make every player a quitter or a loser….
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Orange Blooded [3431]
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It is sometimes the players fault/lack of maturity
Dec 3, 2021, 10:44 PM
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and sometimes some of the factors that you mention. Almost all of those critical of the players have absolutely no idea what it takes to compete at the collegiate level. Even though I have 2 varsity letters I can not say that I have a clue what it takes today to play at the level today.
With the NIL and transfer portal some of them are trying for the best chance to live their dream of being a pro star, making big dollars (some of them hoping to lift their family up). Some of them just get "out recruited" and want to go somewhere that they will get a chance to play, and I don't blame them for that if they are being realistic about playing beyond college. While scholarships are renewable I don't know of instances where they have not been renewed at Clemson (there may be some), but in football I have seen that Dabo meets with each player at the end of the season for a discussion regarding future development. If each position coach isn't doing the same thing they should be.
In short in almost all cases I'd agree with you, but not knowing all the facts in any of the cases, it is hard to believe the player is never at fault. Does this mean that keyboard coaches have a right to make disparaging comments, no it doesn't, it just shows their ignorance.
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All-In [43977]
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I’m sure some of them are selfish.
Dec 4, 2021, 9:30 AM
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But that didn’t start when they were at Clemson. They were likely always that way.
My point is that it is unfair to paint everyone who transfers with the broad brush of being self-centered. I think the best approach is to thank them for their efforts and wish them the best.
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All-TigerNet [13693]
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Re: I find it really unfortunate that some people here blame the players
Dec 3, 2021, 10:45 PM
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I don’t blame them for making a personal decision. I haven’t seen very many who have voiced this.
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Orange Blooded [3567]
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Re: I find it really unfortunate that some people here blame the players
Dec 3, 2021, 10:51 PM
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The wrong qb transferred today.
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Oculus Spirit [76636]
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What kinda stupid post is this?
Dec 3, 2021, 10:58 PM
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Get outta here with this BS, “Clemson supporter.”
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Orange Blooded [3567]
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Re: What kinda stupid post is this?
Dec 3, 2021, 11:20 PM
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What kind of denial muyst you be in not not see the obvious? Do you honestly believe big stinko is 'the man'??? You'd have to be as biased as "big dave" to think this.
Judging by your attitude I'm reasonably positive I have been a Clemson supporter before you made your first trip around the sun.
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Oculus Spirit [76636]
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Link to where I said DJ is “the man?”
Dec 3, 2021, 11:39 PM
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I don’t care how old you are, lol. That doesn’t define loyalty nor does it represent class or lack there of. As old as you say you are and as a long time supporter of Clemson you should have the common sense, let alone pride, to know disparaging any player that wears MY alma maters Orange is garbage. You garbage or are you going to take back your trashy-ass post? Go-head now.
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Orange Blooded [3567]
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Re: Link to where I said DJ is “the man?”
Dec 4, 2021, 12:55 AM
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Boy - I ain't taking anything back, know this!
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Oculus Spirit [76636]
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Boy? Lol! You got words, but no sense
Dec 4, 2021, 1:02 AM
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and no answers. You’re coot trash. I don’t care what color you buy from Walmart, “boy.”
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Orange Blooded [3567]
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Re: Boy? Lol! You got words, but no sense
Dec 4, 2021, 1:46 AM
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You are the 'coot trash'... Your mom should not allow you to use the computer unsupervised. LMAO calling people coots because you are too immature to realize we don't all share your insignificant opinion.
Boy, go home.
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Oculus Spirit [76636]
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Called out for disparaging children…
Dec 4, 2021, 2:03 AM
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You own the fact that you are, in fact, classless coot trash.
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Oculus Spirit [76636]
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Orange Blooded [4705]
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Re: I find it really unfortunate that some people here blame the players
Dec 3, 2021, 11:22 PM
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I don't blame players for doing what they are allowed to do. If theft was legalized tomorrow (as it already basically has been in parts of the country) I wouldn't be mad at people doing the stealing, I'd be mad at those who allowed it to happen and that's where we are with the portal and the free for all that college football is becoming. The days of getting a commitment are over. Every player on the team is basically here on a one year (or less) agreement and can terminate that agreement at any time they wish. Good luck with that.
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Rock Defender [53]
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Re: I find it really unfortunate that some people here blame the players
Dec 3, 2021, 11:24 PM
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All-In [43977]
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Multiple posts about the Taisun transfer call him selfish
Dec 4, 2021, 9:37 AM
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or say that he is bailing on the team.
I recall similar sentiments when Lyn-J transferred.
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Rock Defender [53]
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Re: Multiple posts about the Taisun transfer call him selfish
Dec 4, 2021, 10:27 AM
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Re: I find it really unfortunate that some people here blame the players
Dec 4, 2021, 1:38 AM
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You are so full of Shyatt it’s hilarious. Stick to basketball posts and remind us how good that Rutgers team is. Football is very much out of your lane.
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All-In [43977]
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So you’re telling me that no one questioned Taisun’s character
Dec 4, 2021, 9:39 AM
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since his transfer was announced?
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J.K., I don't blame the players. I blame the NCAA
Dec 4, 2021, 6:16 AM
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for changing the rule eliminating the deterrent...a move I hold in as much disregard as I do the NIL horsemanure.
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All-In [43977]
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I agree, the new rules are bad for the sport.***
Dec 4, 2021, 9:40 AM
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Thank heavens transfer portal was not around
Dec 4, 2021, 6:50 AM
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When cj spiller attended here. He seemed to have personal issues and a desire to leave Clemson but stuck it out and look where it has taken him. If portal existed who knows where his path would have led him.
Not saying it would be like that for all players if they kept battling but 70 percent of portal entrants are not picked up. At some point you have to choose your hard and as dabo says “bloom where u are planted”. Leaving the current field does not seem to be creating a more fruitful harvest in most situations
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All-TigerNet [10400]
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Re: I find it really unfortunate that some people here blame the players
Dec 4, 2021, 6:56 AM
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That’s what the one time transfer rule was for. This is nothing but free agency.
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Orange Blooded [3619]
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Re: I find it really unfortunate that some people here blame the players
Dec 4, 2021, 7:43 AM
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I do not blame the players at all - Reference TP; we were told he could not play due to injury, and early on I’m sure it was. However, why would he want to ride the bench later in the season playing second fiddle to a QB that could not consistently hit an open receiver, and most times looked completely clueless to the plays being run? It’s great we have some great RB’s but .. we have no chance without a balanced offense that can pass.
I watched the Daniel game yesterday - their passing game is better than ours. A QB that can throw the ball and WR’s that can go up and catch it. Loses to Pitt, Nancy State and GA, near losses to BC and GA Tech prove that a great D can’t win games by themselves.
Hopefully better assistants (QB, WR and an OC that can call something other than bubble screens and runs up the middle. 3 down 11 - a run up the middle, 4 down and 1 - a deep throw. We won’t win our side of the ACC if thing remain the same next year.
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Orange Blooded [2334]
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Re: I find it really unfortunate that some people here blame the players
Dec 4, 2021, 9:45 AM
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Bottom line. They are kids and they wanna play If they aren’t good enough to get significant playing time with the Tigers they will go elsewhere
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