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The law of averages – Clemson Recruiting (aka cycling out)
Dec 20, 2018, 10:12 AM
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Looking over the last 15 years of Clemson recruiting, some interesting parallels to on field success can be made. Like others have said, in the end it is about the Jimmy’s and Joe’s. From 2005-2009 Clemson’s average recruiting class ranking was 17.066.
So basically, averaged a top 20 class for each of those five years. For on the field measurables, Clemson achieved one ACC Atlantic Division Championship (2009). Went 2-3 in bowl games and you can debate whether to 2009 Music City Bowl win (Kentucky) was better than the 2005 Champs Sports Bowl win (Colorado) if you want to. Although, Joel Klatt seems to have remained a little salty towards the Tigers over time.
From 2010-2014 Clemson’s average recruiting class ranking was 14.932.
So basically, averaged a top 15 class for each of those five years. For on the field measurables, Clemson achieved one ACC Atlantic Division Championship, one Atlantic co-Division Championship, and one ACC Conference Championship (VT). Went 3-2 in bowl games, with wins over LSU, tOSU, and Oklahoma. From 2015-2019 Clemson’s average recruiting class ranking was 8.533.
So most recently, averaging a top 10 class over each of the last five recruiting cycles. For on the field measurables, Clemson achieved three ACC Atlantic Division Championships, one Atlantic co-Division Championship, and four ACC Conference Championships (UNC, VT, Mia, Pitt). Went 2-1 in bowl games (they were Orange, Fiesta, Sugar…bty), with wins over Oklahoma and tOSU. Gone 1-1 in National Championship games, with the 2016 National Championship win over Alabama. Still in progress is an upcoming Cotton Bowl match-up with Notre Dame and maybe more after that.
All that said, I’m pretty darn happy with the job Dabo and staff have done in recruiting and translating that to on field success. If that’s cycling out, I will enjoy watching the Tigers continue to do so.
Disclaimer: I am not recruiting service literate. I used current 2019 recruiting rankings, even though the recruiting cycle is still open. To get the averages, I used the 24/7 Sports Composite (which is some average value already), Rivals, and ESPN rankings for each year and divided that by three for a yearly average. I added those together and divided by five to get the 5-year average data. So don’t slay me on the mafh…..just making the point that we are doing okay on recruiting. ??
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What does this have to do with the
Dec 20, 2018, 10:46 AM
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law of averages?
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Re: What does this have to do with the
Dec 20, 2018, 10:58 AM
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Well the law of averages isn't really a law, it's more like a code, or a set of rules you sometimes follow.
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In a coot world...future events(cycling out) are likely
Dec 20, 2018, 11:08 AM
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to balance any past deviation from a presumed average.
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this is like the chicken and the egg
Dec 20, 2018, 11:05 AM
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Which came first on field success or successful recruiting?
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Re: this is like the chicken and the egg
Dec 20, 2018, 11:08 AM
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I think he just said the recruits come first.
You may disagree but his form of laying it out seems pretty straight forward.
We got recruits who won a division in 2009.
Then we got better recruits who won the conference in 2011.
Then we got better recruits who won the conference several times and the national title once.
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Great summary. ??***
Dec 20, 2018, 11:09 AM
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Well crap! We only recruited one Joe and there's not a single Jimmy on the team***
Dec 20, 2018, 11:14 AM
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Re: Well crap! We only recruited one Joe and there's not a single Jimmy on the team***
Dec 20, 2018, 11:15 AM
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2 Joe's. Charleston & Ngata
Relax we are doing ok.
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