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what do you boys think of the 12 game playoff...
Jun 8, 2021, 1:35 PM
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being discussed? I guess any extra CFB is fun for me but seems like a strange number.
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Re: what do you boys think of the 12 game playoff...
Jun 8, 2021, 1:53 PM
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Make it 20 or 50... the same final 4 will end up playing for the national championship as always.
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We've seen that not happen?
Jun 8, 2021, 1:59 PM
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You're suggesting the same elite teams would lose less to playing top-level teams more often?
I hear you that teams like Alabama and Ohio State could make it all the way to the top more often, but adding in TWO extra games against arguably the more competitive teams in the sport might not benefit those top teams winning more often just by nature.
It's interesting, because, for example, other leagues have had their elite team left out of a conference championship game, but an expanded playoff would likely help get them in more often in spite of being left out of conference title games, depending on the structure of the playoff itself (i.e., wildcards).
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Re: We've seen that not happen?
Jun 8, 2021, 2:35 PM
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No. What I am suggesting is that the best teams will continue to win.
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Re: We've seen that not happen?
Jun 8, 2021, 2:41 PM
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I'm only suggesting those best teams will likely lose more often in a 12-team playoff by nature of playing more top-tier teams, rather than only having to get past, say, a Michigan State or Washington to get right into the national title game.
Perhaps those best teams will still only win outright, but it's hard for me to ignore that we've also lost in the playoff before getting into the title game in other years in spite of us being elite, know what I mean?
I think more big matchups make more interesting POSSIBLE endings. Not changing it seems like more of a guarantee, but the potential in an expanded playoff seems inescapable. Maybe that's just me but hope this helps explain my thoughts.
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Re: We've seen that not happen?
Jun 10, 2021, 1:54 PM
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nope
that’s a completely stupid take
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Re: We've seen that not happen?
Jun 10, 2021, 1:56 PM
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Good talk. 
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Re: We've seen that not happen?
Jun 11, 2021, 10:56 AM
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Funny you mention Ohio State and Alabama but not Clemson making it to the top more often. You're little troll schtick doesn't work you loser. Btw Clemson has been in the CFP almost twice as many times as Ohio State and has a 2-1 record against them in the playoffs. Makes you look pretty dumb. Can't wait for you to finally be banned.
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Re: We've seen that not happen?
Jun 11, 2021, 11:02 AM
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My suggestion was Clemson is a given & nobody here doesn't want Clemson in. Odd response, but I deliberately left us off from that comment to attempt not to have people triggered like this. I don't understand the need for insults outright, but yikes. Clemson's not going anywhere & will remain title-competitive regardless of what other leagues do. Hope this helps.
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Re: We've seen that not happen?
Jun 11, 2021, 11:36 AM
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He’s the ultimate Clemson supporter what with his murals and podcasts.....
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5 is a much stranger number
Jun 8, 2021, 1:56 PM
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The whole "power 5" thing is a much stranger number, particularly for a 4-team playoff. Anything that helps better fit in conference champions makes sense to start.
For example, one concept for a 12-team playoff potentially includes the 10 teams in the power-five conference title games. It would make the ACC title game more than just a play-in, but an explicit part of the playoff itself. The idea of UNC or Miami getting "into" the playoff in a structure like this is certainly not boring, and doesn't add an extra, unscheduled game.
You then incorporate "bye weeks" into the leaders, so to speak, which would coincidentally give us our first opponent coming off a bye if it happened this year (interesting if nothing else).
Bottom line, it would GIFT everyone big games, certainly bigger than some of the scheduled teams, and Clemson would vastly benefit from it.
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I like 12....
Jun 8, 2021, 4:00 PM
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It means even in an off year for us we most likely are in the playoffs. Keeps the train running down hill.
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Honestly, I like it now.
Jun 8, 2021, 1:57 PM
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If it has to be extended then 8 seems like a natural, easy choice.
5 P5 conference champs (however the conferences want to determine them)
2 Highest ranked non P5 champs (assuming they meet some threshold)
1 At large (can be P5 or non).
First round played around Dec 20th or so at higher seeded teams home field (or higher seeded teams choice of neutral field if their home field is unavailable for some reason).
Adds 1 extra game to 2 teams a year. Gives a clear path to the title for, at least, every P5 school that has nothing to do with opinions. Gives non P5 a seat at the table (absent that, then they should have their own division).
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Re: Honestly, I like it now.
Jun 8, 2021, 2:02 PM
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So TWO non-P5 champs would get in?
I love the idea of adding the AAC, but who else, and in spite of Notre Dame, for example?
Otherwise that single at-large bid would perhaps most likely go to either Notre Dame or the next-best SEC West teams most years.
I'm not sure if that's better, it's certainly super interesting, but it also consequently DOESN'T include the P5 conference title games at 8 teams rather than 12 seems to deliberately want to include. Just a thought.
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Yes 8... 5 for conference champs..3 at large so ESPN
Jun 8, 2021, 2:33 PM
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Can have 8 hrs of "who's in" shows every day.
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Re: what do you boys think of the 12 game playoff...
Jun 8, 2021, 1:59 PM
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I think it will be a waste of games. Very rarely will there be a competitive game outside the top 5 or six teams. There’s just too large a gap between 1-5 and 6-12.
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But what if it includes the conference title games?
Jun 8, 2021, 2:05 PM
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I know we haven't struggled against anyone in the ACC title game recently, but a lot of the other conference title games (including outside of P5-only) have been relentlessly competitive and exciting.
Making those games that already exist now a PART of the playoff itself would just add dynamite and hot sauce to those matchups, IMO.
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Jun 8, 2021, 2:29 PM
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I meant Clemson
Jun 8, 2021, 2:37 PM
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I meant Clemson.
I sincerely apologize for the confusion and humbly accept your scorn. Hope this helps.
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If they can get it up to 132 teams, the coots will get in.***
Jun 8, 2021, 2:23 PM
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I've always felt it should be 8. P5 champs then the 2 highe
Jun 8, 2021, 2:26 PM
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st G5 champs play each other (according to some CFP rankings) for a spot. If they want inclusion, which they do, then the will accept the extra game for the opportunity/visibility/MONEY. Final 2 spots are at large. If you can't make it within those parameters you shouldn't be in.
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Feels like we're not watching the AAC is all
Jun 8, 2021, 2:35 PM
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Sometimes the AAC title game has been top-level competitive compared with other P5 conference title matchups (more CFP-ranked teams played/beaten, etc.). I'm not sure why they'd have to play another game to earn the right in spite of their regular-season schedule (rather than because of it), particularly if it's against a much worse G5 winner by nature.
The UCF/USF matchups just a few years ago were absolutely brilliant football, & the nature of the rematches in the AAC title game made it even more exciting, much like the BIG12 title game once they added it.
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Yes it's true sometimes they are, but most times they are
Jun 8, 2021, 4:02 PM
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not. I'm thinking specifically about last year when Cincinnati and Coastal were generally regarded as the two best G5 teams. Plus it expands access and actually would be more visibility for those programs, as the only other game would likely be Army/Navy, those two specific conferences could share the money, and the winner gets a spot. Totally fair? Probably not, but what is these days? Visibility and money would be a good salve for that wound.
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All-Pro [654]
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Great point
Jun 8, 2021, 4:15 PM
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Actually, I think you're kinda brilliant with that one. A Coastal and Cincinnati matchup with any other top-12 team last year would have been a blast (again) & likely competitive enough to be interesting in a bubble. I like it. Thumbs up from me.
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If it's gonna happen anyway, I at least like the idea of the
Jun 8, 2021, 2:27 PM
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Top Four teams getting a first round bye. Having one of the four best regular seasons SHOULD be rewarded in some way. So, to me, twelve would be more acceptable than sixteen.
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I like it, just not sure it matters
Jun 8, 2021, 2:32 PM
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Before last year we hadn't played any scheduled opponents coming off a bye-week in years.
We don't have one this year, either.
Other title-winning teams have had as many as 9 but still won so I'm honestly not sure how much of a difference it makes, but a little extra time may be unavoidable (i.e., New Years games giving a few extra days buffer by nature & games after the conference title games not back-to-back with playoff games, etc.).
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It will mean the death of the regular season***
Jun 8, 2021, 2:28 PM
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It's already dead. So many weak, awful matchups.***
Jun 8, 2021, 4:01 PM
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Dig it, I do.***
Jun 8, 2021, 2:38 PM
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Re: what do you boys think of the 12 game playoff...
Jun 8, 2021, 2:42 PM
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The system will never be perfect. It always needs to be changed. Sooner or later they will make that change that kills the game. Well enough is better than over the edge.
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Re: what do you boys think of the 12 game playoff...
Jun 8, 2021, 3:06 PM
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they better shorten the season then, eliminate conference playoffs the season is at the breaking point if you get to the Natty... the entire post season incredibly expensive and long... will be great for TV and suck for fans...
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Conference titles matter
Jun 8, 2021, 3:09 PM
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Personal, maybe, but I like conference titles & it's the at the top of the list for the playoffs to-date.
I think part of the point in a 12-team playoff is if the conference title games are an explicit part of the playoff itself, particularly now that the BIG12 has a title game.
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I think 8 is better...
Jun 8, 2021, 3:21 PM
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Take the five Power 5 conference champions as automatic qualifiers and three at-large teams.
Twelve is just an excuse for E$ecPN to campaign for 8 of the 12 playoff teams to come from the $EC.
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And they'll be pumping for 3, in an 8 team playoff.
Jun 9, 2021, 8:03 PM
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In an 8 team playoff, no conference should be allowed more than one at-large. And I couldn't care less if the SEC has three teams ranked in the top eight! Max of two teams from any conference, including the conference champ!
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Re: what do you boys think of the 12 game playoff...
Jun 8, 2021, 3:27 PM
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My guess would be it's about dwindling eyeballs on TV screens.
The bowl games are dunzo. They're glorified exhibition games at this point, and the NFL prospects, increasingly, are going to bail on them. I think that's obvious at this point, stick a fork in 'em. The 16-team playoff is what a lot would prefer but it's a field too far, the 8-team isn't quite far enough for some, the 12 is that intermediate step that will linger for a few years and probably satisfy no one until the whiners get their way and they go to the full 16.
It's the beast they created, alas. I really don't think it's fair to the student-athletes who have to put their bodies through it, but it's going to be a truly epic money-maker, and so Away We Go.
At the end of the day, allowing more teams, from more places in the country, is probably not a bad thing for viewership, though I don't know that the ones who finish high up are going to be that different in the end, at least not for awhile.
People were definitely getting tired of seeing us, Alabama, and OSU whump up on everybody else year in and year out, and you figured it was just a matter of time until they bigged it up, because it doesn't look like that's changing anytime soon. (Sorry Georgia!)
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ND 3 times
Jun 8, 2021, 3:40 PM
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It's interesting to think about the possibility of playing a team like Notre Dame 3 times in a season like we nearly had last year. I'm not sure how fans would respond to something like that, but perhaps one day we'll see.
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Re: ND 3 times
Jun 8, 2021, 6:35 PM
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It's interesting to think about the possibility of playing a team like Notre Dame 3 times in a season like we nearly had last year. I'm not sure how fans would respond to something like that, but perhaps one day we'll see.
That's easy - about like parents having to watch their kids possibly play an opponent on the high school level or even NFL level if the circumstances are just right.
If GA and Bama playing an all-conference match didn't deter people I don't think a rematch is going to scare them away...unless it was like Bama-Clemson almost 5 times in a row....then yeah obviously that may get old to non-fans of the team.
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ND 3 times in the same season
Jun 9, 2021, 4:04 PM
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I meant in the same season/year I guess was all.
I'm not sure how fans would react, honestly. I don't think it would be pretty, but personally I'm also not sure how good it would be for the sport.
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Jun 9, 2021, 3:54 PM
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Re: what do you boys think of the 12 game playoff...
Jun 8, 2021, 3:46 PM
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I doubt the upcoming CFB players union will allow it.
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Re: what do you boys think of the 12 game playoff...
Jun 8, 2021, 3:52 PM
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No, don't like it.
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Playoff games are hard on players bodies
Jun 8, 2021, 4:43 PM
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Might as well call it injury season if they play that many
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Re: what do you boys think of the 12 game playoff...
Jun 8, 2021, 5:32 PM
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My personal opinion..
If you're going to expand.....
Expand it to 6..
Top 2 teams get a bye let the other 4 duke it out
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I do not like any Team getting a Bye. I’m all for
Jun 8, 2021, 5:45 PM
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An 8 Team Playoff. 1 vs 8, 2 vs 7, 3 vs 6, and 4 vs 5.
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16, 24, don't care - let's do it!
Jun 8, 2021, 6:43 PM
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Personally, I'm a BIG fan of the expansion as a fan.
Make it 16 or even 24 teams; shorten the season to maybe 10 games and division winners move on to the playoffs with seeding based on Win-Lose, H2H, etc, whatever logistics we need to make it work.
I want to see Clemson vs everyone instead of MAYBE a good OOC match here and there or hoping a fellow ACC team catches fire.
We already hit 15-0 first so let's be first in other categories while we're at it.
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Meh...
Jun 8, 2021, 6:58 PM
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Pretty much makes the regular season meaningless for us other than seeding. I’m not a fan of 12. I think 4 works; never have I thought the 5th ranked team would’ve won it all. I could live w 8 if it was the 5 champs, a group of 5 school and 2 wildcards, but 12 seems like a lot to me…
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Re: what do you boys think of the 12 game playoff...
Jun 8, 2021, 7:27 PM
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DUMB! I hate it. What people don't ever understand is as Dabo says, the season is the playoffs. You are going to see 3 loss LSU get into playoffs because they are better than a 1-loss South Florida or a Boston College, because BC lost to us in season, didn't make Conf Champ. Game, and the following for LSU would be 10 times that of BC.
You have teams that get in that didn't play in conference championship games but already lost 35-7 to the Conference Champion. Why should they get in when they already lost to conference champion or may have beat the conf champion but lost 2 other games and didn't make Conference championship game.
End of the day, it's only for the money. They devalued Bowls by allowing 41 per year, people and players lose interest after they went to 2 why waste time Jr/Sr yr? Teams with losing records make it to bowls now, why?? Reduce the number of bowl games. Make it around 15 bowls do you have to earn the right.
I figured enough people would whine enough about playoffs, but I don't think it should ever go over 8 teams. By raising to number of playoff teams, now you devalue the season, every game isn't as critical. But the NCAA, that cant even figure out NIL situation, but they are worried about their bank acct and trying to figure out how far out they have to go to get a West Coast team or maybe 2 into the playoffs. That way when they keep sending all these SEast teams out west for playoffs, it doesn't look as dumb.
As far as I am concerned, the NCAA isn't worth a hoot (cant use language I would rather use) and have done nothing to better college sports in last 20yrs. Only thing I agreed with was 4 team playoff, they ruin everything else.
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I don't think the NCAA has anything to do with the FB playoff!
Jun 9, 2021, 8:08 PM
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Re: what do you boys think of the 12 game playoff...
Jun 8, 2021, 8:16 PM
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NO
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Re: what do you boys think of the 12 game playoff... why? 4
Jun 8, 2021, 8:22 PM
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is perfect
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Jun 8, 2021, 8:33 PM
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Is the format like the ACC baseball tourney?if so I'm for it
Jun 8, 2021, 9:44 PM
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said no one ever.
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Ain't that the truth. The ACC Tournament is in reality a
Jun 10, 2021, 4:52 PM
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single elimination for any other than the top ranked team in each pool, but you still have to play another game after you are dead. I hate it.
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Re: what do you boys think of the 12 game playoff...
Jun 8, 2021, 10:23 PM
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Anytime it gets closer to the Fluckers getting in, I’m not in favor!
Having said that, a few more may add excitement.
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Re: what do you boys think of the 12 game playoff...
Jun 8, 2021, 10:56 PM
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I'm actually good with 12 team playoffs as long as max 3 from any conference. And back to 10-11 game regular season.
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Jun 9, 2021, 8:10 PM
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Re: what do you boys think of the 12 game playoff...
Jun 9, 2021, 6:57 AM
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As I said in an earlier post ,I think we first need to see how an 8 team playoff would work before going to 12.
Even then I think 12 teams is too many as it would add at least 3 more games( if my math is correct).Remember these guys are not professional size athletes and in some cases still growing at 18 or 19 years of age. Adding that many games does nothing for these young men's development and could even produce more injuries.
No,IMO,8 games should be the max.
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All-TigerNet [10901]
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A 12 team playoff would add 8 more games, wouldn't it?
Jun 9, 2021, 8:13 PM
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four to get it down to 8 teams, then 4 more to get to four teams remaining!
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Regular season games will be irrelevant***
Jun 10, 2021, 1:45 PM
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