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Orange Blooded [2213]
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...what did Jimbo Fisher know????
Nov 21, 2013, 2:35 PM
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...was he aware of the alleged crime? If so, did he think it was "closed"? If a recruit is involved in something like that, do you still recruit him? So far, I don't think Fisher talked about any of this....
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Re: ...what did Jimbo Fisher know????
Nov 21, 2013, 2:36 PM
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And when did he know it? LOL
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send him an email.***
Nov 21, 2013, 2:37 PM
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...what did Mike Martin know????
Nov 21, 2013, 2:41 PM
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...was he aware of the alleged crime? If so, did he think it was "closed"? If a recruit is involved in something like that, do you still recruit him? So far, I don't think Martin talked about any of this....
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Jimbo is like Spurrier....
Nov 21, 2013, 2:51 PM
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he didn't know because he doesn't want to know so he can later plead ignorance and avoid being implicated in any way.
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Re: Jimbo is like Spurrier....
Nov 21, 2013, 3:23 PM
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that's what Joe Paterno said...
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Nah, dont get me started on paterno...
Nov 21, 2013, 3:26 PM
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that POS knew from the get go and sat on his butt and did nothing about it. He deserved charges like the rest of them, and likely would've gotten them had he not died.
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Re: Nah, dont get me started on paterno...
Nov 21, 2013, 3:45 PM
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I dont know how much he knew but the fact he never pressed for an investigation or followed up to see what was being done really bothers me. as a parent and grandparent I dont see how you could do that unless he was so gone mentally he could comprehend what JS did.
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Re: ...what did Jimbo Fisher know????
Nov 21, 2013, 2:52 PM
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I'm sure he has worked to maintain plausible deniability.
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Winston is a redshirt freshman so he was already
Nov 21, 2013, 2:53 PM
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at FSU
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What does it matter what he knows? It is an ALLEGED crime
Nov 21, 2013, 2:58 PM
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and Winston is Innocent until PROVEN guilty.
It's an ongoing investigation and Fisher shouldn't be speaking out about it.
also, what does Winston have to do with recruits?
The majority of you guys are burning this kid and none of you have all of the facts.
I for one hope he didn't do it. I don't wish that on the girl and I hope he didn't flush his life down the drain over some tail.
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Yea, too many have the mentality of Clemson good everyone
Nov 21, 2013, 3:02 PM
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else bad, when they don't have a clue.
It reminds me of the holier than thou ND fan a few years ago who told me that the reason ND isn't successful anymore is that every other team uses steroids, but ND doesn't.
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Care to explain then?***
Nov 21, 2013, 3:11 PM
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Orange Blooded [2213]
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..sure.....JImbo FIsher as the head coach.....
Nov 21, 2013, 3:15 PM
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....given that he had *some* knowledge of the *alleged* rape; do you still recruit the kid? I think that was in my original post. In short, if you are the coach, do you say "...sure, he's been implicated in a possible rape...but he's innocent until proven guilty...". Is that what you want in a coach?
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He was already a member of the fsu team when this alleged
Nov 21, 2013, 3:17 PM
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crime happened....therefore it does not change his recruitment.
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..okay..I didn't kow that.....***
Nov 21, 2013, 3:19 PM
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hence, why your question/statement/whatever it was made
Nov 21, 2013, 3:19 PM
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zero sense.
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Orange Blooded [2213]
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...disagree...I say the coach puts him on the bench....
Nov 21, 2013, 3:21 PM
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..until the case is resolved.....
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Why? You punish him even if he didnt do anything wrong?***
Nov 21, 2013, 3:22 PM
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..how do *you* know he didn't do anything wrong?***
Nov 21, 2013, 3:24 PM
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how do you "know" he did?
Nov 21, 2013, 3:27 PM
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It's he said/she said at this point.
absolutely ridiculous that you think he should be benched over an alleged crime.
If he is formally charged, at that time only he should be suspended from the team.
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Orange Blooded [2213]
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...neither of us know his guilt or innocence.....
Nov 21, 2013, 3:35 PM
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...correct? So we should be neutral. But, and this is just me, if I was the coach, I simply couldn't have a QB on the team who was involved in an alleged rape. Period. We'll just have to agree to disagree.....
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I think it's ridiculous if the kid is maintaining his
Nov 21, 2013, 3:41 PM
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innocence, however, that is your opinion.
Keep in mind that as head coach at a major university, should you suspend said player, your actions make him look guilty to the public, who are potential jurors in his trial.(perception is huge) In which case, if he is truly innocent, you just potentially hurt his chances of acquittal amongst a jury of his peers. Because trust me the prosecutor would point out his suspension to cast doubt.
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Orange Blooded [2213]
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..as far as I know..Winston is not maintaining....
Nov 21, 2013, 4:23 PM
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..his innocence, unless by that you mean that his lawyer is saying he's innocent and those are one and the same. Unless I'm mistaken, Winston's has made no statements that I'm aware of....but I agree a prosecutor would try to make use of any statements good or bad.
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You should really research and read more before formulating
Nov 21, 2013, 4:26 PM
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your "opinion"
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/10009077/dna-analysis-matches-jameis-winston-accuser
"We have professionally tried to maintain the dignity of an investigation," Jansen said. "However, either the Tallahassee Police Department or Mr. Meggs' office has decided they're going to improperly leak evidence to the media. We are saddened to learn that someone has decided to leak evidence to the public before Mr. Meggs has had time to make a decision. The improperly leaked report, if true, has zero impact on Mr. Winston's defense, and Mr. Winston maintains his innocence."
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Orange Blooded [2213]
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..okay...Wisnton's attorney is saying his client is.....
Nov 21, 2013, 4:33 PM
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...is maintaining his innocence.......Winston *himself* has made no remarks to the press. That was my point.
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Because, at least in this, he is smart
Nov 21, 2013, 4:53 PM
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It is beyond stupid to go out in front of cameras as a person charged of a crime without letting your lawyer do ALL of the talking. Barring, maybe, reading from a prepared statement.
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Orange Blooded [2213]
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..sure...the issue was raised on ESPN a few days ago....
Nov 21, 2013, 4:59 PM
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...one of the panelists said if he was accused of a rape no doubt he would issue a personal statement of his innocence. But I understand what you're saying; Winston speaking through his attorney is SOP.....
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Re: ..okay..I didn't kow that.....***
Nov 21, 2013, 3:57 PM
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Your true motive and bias were shining through brightly!
Just as you did not know he was a red shirt freshmen you do not know all the facts of this case and at this point you have to believe everyone in law enforcement and the city of Tallahassee are covering something up( possible)or there may not be anything to this. I also suspect there is a lot more that you do not know!
I think you like a lot of other people think way to much about sports and not enough about people the lives and there well being.
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..I'd hate to think what your biases might be in this case..***
Nov 21, 2013, 4:14 PM
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I guess i don't understand what you are asking either b/c
Nov 21, 2013, 3:13 PM
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it seems ridiculous that anything should have been done to Winston by Jimbo Fischer. What was he supposed to do? No charges were ever filed, much less a verdict reached.
If anyone is to blame to this point it is the TPD for not pursuing this until it became a national news story.
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Orange Blooded [2929]
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Once it's shown that this was a cover up by the TPD,
Nov 21, 2013, 3:17 PM
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the investigation will then lead into who at FSU knew of the pending charges and attempted cover up.Once police officers start losing their jobs, they will then tell it all.There was no need for a cover up if nothing happened.
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All-TigerNet [13038]
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There's no evidence of an orchestrated cover up to this
Nov 21, 2013, 3:22 PM
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point either. It could have just been one guy. He warns the girl of the possible firestorm her allegations could start to maybe scare her off. He can then say that it's important to warn a victim before bringing a case against a famous person (its the same deal with politicians, etc) so that they are prepared for the potential backlash and that he was only telling her that in good faith. He's probably lying, but more people would have to be involved to prove that or else it's just her interpretation of what she thought he meant vs his own word.
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Somebody else already pointed this out but Winston was not
Nov 21, 2013, 3:23 PM
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a recruit. He was a member of the 2012 recruiting class and already on campus all of last season taking a redshirt.
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He may have known all there was to know. But I gotta
Nov 21, 2013, 3:17 PM
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believe there is a lot of noise like this within top football programs. The question is what actions were taken. In this case, you would expect Fisher at LEAST spoke to Winston to get full disclosure. If it comes out that there is an actual fire to this smoke, then I'll ask more of Fisher.
But for now I assume Fisher knows anytime there is an accusation against one on his team. And if facts warrant, then action to whatever degree should taken. The grandaddy of all the scandals - Penn State - was so bad because so many knew enough to take action (appropriate action) and DID NOT.
My two cents.
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So many forget this little tidbit
Nov 21, 2013, 3:18 PM
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Until the sharp end of the stick is pointed at them. That said ..... I believe he should be taken out of consideration for the heisman. If he is later found to be guilty, it'll be yet another tarnished spot on the award. If he is innocent, too bad that's what happens when you put yourself in a position to even be accused.
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So if he's innocent he's guilty for putting himself in that
Nov 21, 2013, 3:21 PM
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position to be accused???
So he should abstain? is that what you are saying?
That's ridiculous.
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By your rules all someone has to do in the future
Nov 21, 2013, 3:29 PM
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is make an accusation that cannot be easily proven in order to derail a Heisman candidate they don't like. Not a good precedence to set.
If this does eventually become more real, there will be a lot more tarnished reputations than just the committee. Local police (who are said to have not even interviewed him), FSU, state's attorney, etc.
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Orange Blooded [2763]
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So virginity is a prerequisite for the Heisman ...
Nov 21, 2013, 6:20 PM
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So that's what that stiff arm is all about. Who knew?
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110%er [7831]
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I think you missed the point
Nov 22, 2013, 3:22 PM
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If he gets the heisman and then is later proven guilty.....nevermind.
Give the heisman to anyone.....been doing that for years.....and so many with poor character
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Re: ...what did Jimbo Fisher know????
Nov 21, 2013, 3:50 PM
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You people are pitiful!
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