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WF and Syracuse exposed as top 10/15 frauds
Oct 29, 2022, 10:46 PM
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If we’re being honest, we all knew this was the case. We were hoping that wasn’t the case because the ACC is so bad and our big OOC team this year lost at home to Marshall and Stanford. Depending on how things play, we may not have a quality won on our resume.
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Re: WF and Syracuse exposed as top 10/15 frauds
Oct 29, 2022, 10:47 PM
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Win out and it literally doesn’t matter
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Liklely
Oct 29, 2022, 10:51 PM
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but there might be a scenario or two where it does
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No there isn't
Oct 30, 2022, 9:39 AM
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Just win ,that's it.
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Re: No there isn't
Oct 30, 2022, 4:13 PM
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Absolutely 0% chance. We win we are in.
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Re: Liklely
Oct 30, 2022, 11:09 AM
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If you reach far enough anything is possible
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No, win and we are in. Also, once again teams like
Oct 30, 2022, 11:19 AM
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Wake and Cuse are “exposed” but Blue Bloods just “have a bad game.” Wake had a horrible game. But to say a game with 8 turnovers is “the true WF” is just silly. And I’m not shocked at all that Cuse didn’t play their A game a week after a heartbreaking battle with us.
Anyway, an undefeated conference champ won’t be left out. If we go undefeated, it would be neat to play the Big Ten champ, SEC champ and an undefeated TCU in the playoffs.
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May not, but definitely could matter……
Oct 29, 2022, 10:52 PM
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If we’re up against undefeated TCU, Ohio state, and 2-3 one loss SEC teams it will most definitely matter.
The “eye test” is real and like it or not it does exist, we need to step it up after this bye week to leave no doubt.
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Re: May not, but definitely could matter……
Oct 29, 2022, 11:04 PM
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Absolutely no way the committee leaves out an undefeated conference champ
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I agree.***
Oct 30, 2022, 1:19 AM
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I mean, as long as you* agree.
Oct 30, 2022, 9:38 AM
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Re: May not, but definitely could matter……
Oct 30, 2022, 9:36 AM
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After the Cinncy debacle last year (undefeated AAC champ ... embarrassed in the CFP),
I wouldnt be surprised AT ALL if the dern committee kept an undefeated ACC/B12 champ out of the party.
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Re: May not, but definitely could matter……
Oct 30, 2022, 11:11 AM
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These two things are not the same.
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Re: WF and Syracuse exposed as top 10/15 frauds
Oct 29, 2022, 10:51 PM
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Syracuse would have been blown out if not for our turnovers & had played no one but Wake has a very good team. 6 turnovers will make the best of teams lose against the worst of teams.
If I was another team I wouldn’t be looking forward to playing Wake no matter what team it was. They have a very good team.
Because you have a bad loss doesn’t mean you aren’t a good team especially when you have turnovers.
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Turning the ball over 8 times = not a good team.***
Oct 29, 2022, 10:52 PM
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Re: WF and Syracuse exposed as top 10/15 frauds
Oct 29, 2022, 10:54 PM
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We barely beat two mediocre teams in a terrible conference, so the only way some fans can cope is to pretend they are both world beaters to justify us probably deserving to lose to both. Its pathetic really.
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This is perhaps the most honest and reasonable post I’ve read today.***
Oct 29, 2022, 10:56 PM
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Re: This is perhaps the most honest and reasonable post I’ve read today.***
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Oct 30, 2022, 7:05 AM
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Most reasonable post? We dominated Syracuse in the stats so why did we deserve to lose? Just admit you were pulling for our football team to lose. You’re just a basketball fan and not a Clemson fan.
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Re: This is perhaps the most honest and reasonable post I’ve read today.***
Oct 30, 2022, 9:44 AM
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We had to swap QBs out to win, dude.
What game were you watching?
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Re: This is perhaps the most honest and reasonable post I’ve read today.***
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Oct 30, 2022, 4:11 PM
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You’re also an idiot and not a Clemson fan.
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Re: WF and Syracuse exposed as top 10/15 frauds
Oct 29, 2022, 11:27 PM
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Who cares.
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Re: WF and Syracuse exposed as top 10/15 frauds
Oct 30, 2022, 12:36 AM
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It is what it is. We can't control other programs to finally become powerhouses like us. Just gotta win out and control what we can. The dominoes will fall in our favor if we are lucky. The ACC is a crapshoot that constantly cannibalizes itself and has been for nearly a decade now. I don't see anyone else in the conference getting their programs back to being consistently good outside FSU maybe and an even bigger maybes in UNC & Miami.
I'll break it down with how each team that wasn't mentioned above is perceived in the ACC and why we need to stop waiting for everyone to pull their own weight for once.
BC - that program is absolutely dead and is lucky to have average seasons. They can't and won't pull in enough talent to make a name for themselves on a national level.
Louisville - too heavily transfer portal reliant. Need to have an extremely athletic dual threat QB to be anything these days.
GT - I shouldn't have to explain this one.
VT - program is not even a shell of its former self anymore. Very dead program with no light in the tunnel for their offensive woes.
Virginia - we will see but I'm thinking their stuck with average at best.
NC State - cannot be consistent, need senior experienced teams to actually make a big push for conference contention and still can't get over the hump. Also lack depth (recruiting). Plus they usually crap the bed in out of conference games (this year it hasn't been the case).
Syracuse - not enough talent in the trenches and cannot bring in the guys they need in the trenches. Usually needs a 3-4 year experienced QB to get them going.
Pitt - literal definition of inconsistency.
Duke - will never have the talent to make a national push but does garner scrappy well coached teams.
Wake - Well coached but just lack the talent on defense to compliment their offense every year.
This is why the ACC will never become relevant again for the foreseeable future. Sure some of those teams will crap out a decent season every few years. But the inconsistency of it is why the ACC is looked down on. There isn't a clear #2, 3, or 4 top teams that make viable pushes for playoff contention every single year outside of Clemson and that's what hurts the perception.
I'm still on board of leaving this basketball conference behind seeking greener pastures elsewhere. Fingers crossed we have that opportunity one day.
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Re: WF and Syracuse exposed as top 10/15 frauds
Oct 30, 2022, 9:48 AM
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Yes. Ditch the ACC. Would be good both for football and bball.
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Re: WF and Syracuse exposed as top 10/15 frauds
Oct 30, 2022, 1:00 AM
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In conference losses are not a good barometer for conference strength. So I guess CU got the sec gig?
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Re: WF and Syracuse exposed as top 10/15 frauds
Oct 30, 2022, 4:28 AM
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Always knew they were.
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Re: WF and Syracuse exposed as top 10/15 frauds
Oct 30, 2022, 7:19 AM
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Syracuse was a product of their early schedule. Nobody expected them to stay there. As for Wake Forest, tenth was a little high, but they deserve to be within a couple of spots of 15th, one way or another. They had an awful game, but teams in that range do. OK State was being touted by some as still being in the playoff picture and they got blasted 48 to 0.
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Re: WF and Syracuse exposed as top 10/15 frauds
Oct 30, 2022, 7:36 AM
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Every team Clemson needed to lose yesterday won. And every team needed to win lost. I got roasted when I said SC could control Clemson's playoff fate. Clemson needs to beat a good SC team. Now let's hope UNC wins out giving Clemson a quality win in the conference championship game. Clemson goes 13-0 its not guaranteed they are in. They will look at putting a 1 loss Big 10 or SEC team in over Clemson. There's also TCU and even Oregon is getting some love. I'm not saying it's right but it's real.
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Re: WF and Syracuse exposed as top 10/15 frauds
Oct 30, 2022, 8:37 AM
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Oregon and Bama have the BEST LOSES. Which appear to be considered by the talking heads as better than our best wins.
TCU's best win, 9 Ok St lost 48-0 to 22 K St, ours, 10 WF lost 41-24 to Louisville! And 16 Syracuse lost to ND.
But now we may have a chance to face 2 or 3 more Top 25 teams. Could have been 4 (I know it was a long shot!) if UofSC hadn't folded.
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Re: WF and Syracuse exposed as top 10/15 frauds
Oct 30, 2022, 7:56 AM
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Wake Forest had 8 turnovers in that game, sheeeersh.
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Alternatively, in the spirit of Bama narratives, Clemson
Oct 30, 2022, 8:52 AM
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BROKE them
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Can’t believe Wake played as bad as they did
Oct 30, 2022, 8:57 AM
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It just spiraled out of control fast. I assumed they would win out and beat an SeC team in their bowl game.
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Re: WF and Syracuse exposed as top 10/15 frauds
Oct 30, 2022, 9:04 AM
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In proper perspective...
Syracuse GAVE two TDs to Notre Dame and lost their starting QB early. That's a 14 point swing and changes the game.
Wake Forest gives the entire 3rd quarter and 35 points to Louisville with doing literally everything wrong possible and still maintaining a time of possession advantage in the 3rd quarter over Louisville. Play the game again today and it may well be a different outcome.
I wouldn't be so sure that Syracuse and Wake Forest will not finish well.
Having said that, Notre Dame, Louisville and UNC look like rapidly improving teams and may well beat some of the other "good teams" from the "good conferences" at the end of the season.
The other conferences are always back loaded with the competitive teams playing at the end of the regular season. They look impressive to start and then we find out who is really good later. This scheduling works against them ultimately from a CFP ranking perspective (unless it's a really, really close game). There's a lot of football yet to be played.
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Not necessarily true.
Oct 30, 2022, 9:48 AM
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Syracuse lost their QB in first half.
Wake, wow, no team can overcome 8 turnovers.
Do you think Oregon is a fraud? They lost by 45ish.
Do I think both are great teams? Not really. But top 15-20 - yes.
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Re: WF and Syracuse exposed as top 10/15 frauds
Oct 30, 2022, 10:55 AM
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It is accurate to observe that losing to us takes the wind out of a team. We are a tough out any way you quantify it. Teams don’t tend to play well and are pretty comprised for the first 2-3 games after playing us win or lose.
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Re: WF and Syracuse exposed as top 10/15 frauds
Oct 30, 2022, 11:30 AM
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So every ranked team that loses a game, badly, is considered a fraud. They drop in polls and teams previously considered unworthy are then pushed up the polls . . . Until those teams lose. So fraudulence is THE dominant trait of all ranked teams. Until someone wins the final game, rendering the runner up an impostor.
Seems to me that the problem is really our criteria, or just nomenclature. We relegate quality in all aspects to a lesser importance than winning. A team that loses is no more fraudulent on Sunday that it was on Friday except for the WL record. WF a fraud? Not so.
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Re: WF and Syracuse exposed as top 10/15 frauds
Oct 30, 2022, 11:42 AM
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I think Wake and Syracuse will crawl their way back up the rankings by the end of the season.
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Re: WF and Syracuse exposed as top 10/15 frauds
Oct 30, 2022, 11:57 AM
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They both had bad games and were not too 10 material but are not bad teams by any stretch. Note Cuse did not have their QB for the 2nd half.
Things are never as good or as bad as people think
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