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Devotee [337]
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Dabo: "I said after bowl loss in 2010 that we were about
Feb 6, 2015, 5:30 AM
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To go on the best 10-year run in the history of this program".
Chad Smith: "I truly believe that with the class we have brought in, and having 15 mid-years, the most in the nation, I truly believe that we will win a national championship in the next four years".
Dabo has made some pretty bold statements in previous offseasons (front 7 being a a strength, secondary etc.) which, more often than not, have proved true.
So my question is, why not us? How could we be any better positioned than we are right now? Freaks in the trenches on campus, mike, Tay, charone, deon, ray ray, too many RBs to even name, Milan Comin off redshirt, legget has great potential, GW contributing sooner rather than later. And, of course, the elite difference-making QB only a select few teams have year in year out.
I'm of the opinion that, barring injury, there may be no better for us to win a championship. If we don't atleast make a playoff appearance in 2015 or 2016, I will be surprised.
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At the minimum we need to win an ACC championship,
Feb 6, 2015, 6:23 AM
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In the next 2 years and hopefully make the CFP at least once.
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Devotee [337]
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What people are quick to forget
Feb 6, 2015, 8:14 AM
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Is that despite our newfound recruiting has been, FSU's is still better. Every single year. I know we should've probably won this previous year, but in fairness they did not have their starter.
No excuses, but the facts of the matter are Alabama and FSU, based on recruiting anyway, should be far and away the best teams annually.
We are getting there though, and I see us beating them this year given both teams QB situation.
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CU Guru [1857]
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Alabama ain't $h!t....
Feb 6, 2015, 8:18 AM
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the SEC ain't $h!t, and the CFP will prove that had there not been all of the BS bias, they (SEC) would never have had the run they had.
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Devotee [337]
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Let's not get it twisted
Feb 6, 2015, 8:22 AM
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The SEC is/was hyped because of Alabama, not the other way around.
But I agree with you on a conference scale. Like all others, some really good ones, some ok ones, and some pretty bad ones.
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CU Guru [1857]
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Do you not agree....
Feb 6, 2015, 8:28 AM
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If we had not had the CFP last year, we would have had AT LEAST Alabama in the NC game? This 9-10 year SEC run has been propped up. Not saying it would have been us, or anyone within the ACC, but there are a lot of good teams out there that don't have a SEC patch on their jersey, and more than 50% of those NC's would have been someone else. This will show over the next few years, as long as the CFP group keeps the ESPN at bay.
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Re: Do you not agree....
Feb 6, 2015, 1:45 PM
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What? Alabama showed in the playoff they were better than Oregon and FSU.
It would have been FSU who was undeserving if we had not had the playoff this year.
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Re: Do you not agree....
Feb 6, 2015, 2:23 PM
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> What? Alabama showed in the playoff they were better
> than Oregon and FU.
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> It would have been FSU who was undeserving if we had
> not had the playoff this year.
Alabama also showed they were undeserving of the #1 rank.
FSU was deserving of a playoff spot, despite the crazy amount of close games. Their best win was better than Bama's best win.
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Standout [338]
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Re: Do you not agree....
Feb 8, 2015, 10:53 AM
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Hypotheticals are impossible to prove because they're subjective. It's also dangerous to pick one year or one team to determine a point. tOSU showed this year the value of a playoff. Their season would not have put them in the top two, but they were obviously deserving. If we still had the BCS, it would probably have been Bama or Oregon against FSU. That is based more on their prior year success than on conference affiliation.
Mississippi, LSU, Auburn, Miss St, and aTm showed thar conference bias is alive and well.
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We dont have to beat FSU in recruiting rankings
Feb 6, 2015, 8:54 AM
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we just have to beat them on the field. And be in the Top 4 at year's end
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Standout [338]
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Re: We dont have to beat FSU in recruiting rankings
Feb 8, 2015, 10:59 AM
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FSU has recruited well, but we are pretty close and we lose fewer players to the NFL early. I also think we do a better job of character evaluation. Still, they have a slight talent edge. That's the real world and we have to live in it. The gap is something we can deal with, however. It will be a matter of who's more ready to play from a mental and physical preparation standpoint as well as from an emotional standpoint. Coaching will play a role in that preparation as well as in schemes and game planning. I like our chances.
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In all fairness
Feb 6, 2015, 9:15 AM
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Winston was an int throwing machine this past season, that we did not get the advantage of playing against. FSU's second screen QB took the pressure and did not turn the ball over as Winston did over and over. We played the better FSU QB in 2014, IMO. Our D was the best D FSU faced all year long and in case you forgot, they brought the Clemson heat in Tally.
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Devotee [337]
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If you are trying to convince me
Feb 6, 2015, 9:19 AM
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That FSU was better off with a career backup who had never once started a college football rather than their heisman QB who had never lost on the college level..
I don't think I'll be able to reason with you. Football is unpredictable but that's a bet I'm willing to make. Still, our defense would've given him problems undoubtedly.
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Re: If you are trying to convince me
Feb 6, 2015, 9:29 AM
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Lol....that back up was poised as could be and did not make the mistakes Winston made. Winston was not really a running threat in 2014, which is what would have made him more tough to defend. The difference in the two was errors under pressure.
BTW, tell Watson he did not have the college experience to play Between the Hedges with your outdated logic.
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Devotee [337]
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Well...did he?
Feb 6, 2015, 10:02 AM
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I was screaming to put him back in, but I trust our coaches and for whatever reason they didn't feel he was ready.
Didn't their QB throw like three picks against us, including two at the very end of the game? Literally his only execution was because our guy fell down, a complete freak accident.
I guess we will have to agree to disagree. Either way, moot point since we still lost.
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Re: Well...did he?
Feb 6, 2015, 10:56 AM
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Two picks each near misses trying to make something happen. He lead every scoring drive. Remember negative rushing yards for most of the game. We punished their QB more than any since Major. You telling me Jayboo wouldn't have melted down on national TV with everything going on that week.
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Orange Blooded [4854]
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He threw 2 as opposed to Winston's average of 4
Feb 6, 2015, 1:37 PM
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against less defenses.
And my point is that the stereotype of guys not being able to handle things because they don't have the game experience is not so much the case these days.
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Orange Blooded [2455]
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Their backup was a Stoudt type, with less INTs
Feb 6, 2015, 12:52 PM
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I can't stand Winston, but the man can play some QB. He does throw the occasional INT, but he also makes the throws that few others can.
Awful awful person, but a talent at QB. He's #### near impossible to stop when he gets in a rhythm.
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Re: What people are quick to forget
Feb 6, 2015, 10:36 AM
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How did all that recruiting work out this year for FSU and Bama?
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Commissioner [921]
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Exactly. We have to remember that the rankings are the
Feb 6, 2015, 10:46 AM
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"experts" opinion and not true until the recruits prove otherwise. Also, it depends on the holes that need filling. Having 5 star players on offense with a greater need on D doesn't do much.
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Yeah, I feel the same way
Feb 6, 2015, 12:14 PM
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Not sure what possible statistical model people are using to determine that FSU wouldve been better off without their heisman-winning QB.
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Re: Pretty good, they won their conference and made the playoff.
Feb 8, 2015, 10:03 AM
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Just simply saying you can have all the talent in the world and not win it all. In my opinion if you make it to the playoff and lose out you have really not accomplished the goal.
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Orange Blooded [2455]
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FSU has done the least with the most talent
Feb 6, 2015, 12:54 PM
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They've recruited well even during their wandering in the desert decade. They are *always* going to recruit incredibly well.
However, I don't think their *current* staff is good enough to get by on talent alone. Losing Pruitt hurts, and Winston made that offense work the last two years. Without him, they don't sniff the Natty or even the playoffs this year.
I'm not skeert. I like our coaches over theirs any day. We'll end up with a few less stars on our silly ranking charts, but have fun dealing with the Sheuys and the Boulwares and the Paganos that we've been pulling in.
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Re: What people are quick to forget
Feb 6, 2015, 11:08 AM
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FSU also has a much higher turnover rate year to year. Never more evident than this year. You have to think that Watson is far and above the top ACC QB. Our Defense will be no worse than 2 or 3 in the conference and with all the around Watson on offense you have to think we are at least a push with FSU. Since we get homefield advantage we should be the favorites. Therefore, we should win the ACC. Considering we are probably going to be favored in all of our out of conference games it is reasonable to think we could be a favorite for the CFP.
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Re: What people are quick to forget
Feb 6, 2015, 12:50 PM
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> Is that despite our newfound recruiting has been,
> FSU's is still better. Every single year. I know we
> should've probably won this previous year, but in
> fairness they did not have their starter.
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> No excuses, but the facts of the matter are Alabama
> and FSU, based on recruiting anyway, should be far
> and away the best teams annually.
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> We are getting there though, and I see us beating
> them this year given both teams QB situation.
Yeah, QB is disproportionate in football. Probably close to 50% of how good your team is. Look at how good NC State was with Rivers, for instance, or UVA with Matt Schaub, or BC with Matt Ryan. Best years they've had in recent memory.
If you've got an NFL-caliber QB - or just a really killer college QB like Tim Tebow or Tajh Boyd - you're 8-4 at the least unless the rest of your team just stinks out loud.
A really average QB can take you down a whole lot lower than that.
It has yet to be shown that FSU has a QB for next season. And like I said, that can be as much as 50% of your team.
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If we can get a dominant o line
Feb 6, 2015, 8:51 AM
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Than the sky is the limit for us. There is just no way we won't do big things with the talent we have. As everyone knows, the o line has really been our only weakness the past few years. We certainly have great offensive lineman coming in but how quickly will they get into the rotation? If our o line didn't get the injury bug last yr, i think we would of had a decent o line. I just hope we can have a o line that dominated like our defensive line did last yr. If we can put that final piece of the puzzle together, and our defense continuous to play like they have the past 2 yrs, i really don't see any team that will beat us.
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We don't need a dominate offensive line.
Feb 6, 2015, 1:43 PM
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We just need to have one that's comparable. That's something we haven't had in decades.
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Re: Dabo: "I said after bowl loss in 2010 that we were about
Feb 6, 2015, 9:04 AM
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The only thing standing in our way is us. To be the best we have to beat the best, and we haven't done that when it counted the past few years. I mean look at it like this...the only team that has recruited as well as us in conference is FSU and they have had our number the past 3 years. If we win those FSU games, chances are we are right there in the thick of things. We just gotta win baby, and FSU is our road block. A lot of people say they will be down this year, but don't hold onto that hope. They will reload just like us. So what if they lose Mr. Crab...they replace him with "2" ESPN150 QB's. Who cares if they lose Rashaad Greene...in comes Ermon Lane, George Campbell and Da'Vante Phillips. They paid off one of our RB recruits for 2014 in Dalvin Cook who is becoming a star, and bring in a top RB in Jacques Patrick. They bring in some elite secondary help, and at one point, the #1 overall recruit in DE Josh Sweat. The only area I see them lacking in this cycle is DT and OL, which hopefully will return to bite them in the ### in the long haul. From top to bottom, they may be getting elite recruits, but they arent recruiting well-rounded classes like we are. Hopefully that pays off for us. Our recruiting is BOOMING, and I don't see that slowing down at all. We're getting our picks of the litter, and they are all smart, talented and coachable kids. That will make the difference for us. Watching FSU take a step down from 2013-2014, and the lack of integrity in which Dumbo runs the FSU program, I think we are making that step to overtake them for good. Unfortunately, they are loaded, and will be our biggest threat for the next few years outside of Allburn and the fighting calculators. I don't see the fighting Irish standing much of a chance in DV this year, but they definitely can't be overlooked. Just win, baby!!! That is all! Go Tigers!
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us & the ACC power rating, look at TCU***
Feb 8, 2015, 10:25 AM
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Re: us & the ACC power rating, look at TCU***
Feb 8, 2015, 10:43 AM
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If Alexander doesn't get tripped that one play, we would have won that game. With Winston gone, I think we win at home this year. My biggest concern is cook, though. I hope our D doesn't drop off too much.
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Re: Dabo: "I said after bowl loss in 2010 that we were about
Feb 6, 2015, 10:03 AM
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> I'm of the opinion that, barring injury, there may be
> no better for us to win a championship. If we don't
> atleast make a playoff appearance in 2015 or 2016, I
> will be surprised.
If we can play Watson in a plastic bubble so he doesn't get hurt....then we should have a good chance.
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