|
Replies: 48
| visibility 1
|
Varsity [213]
TigerPulse: 90%
Posts: 263
Joined: 12/19/11
|
Watson OK with getting Redshirted?
May 28, 2013, 2:17 PM
|
|
"I am 100% committed to Clemson," he says. "Thats where I'm going to be the next four to FIVE years of my life."
Obviously he is going to come in and compete with Kelly for the starting QB job. But i think its great that such a highly touted young man with his skill set is willing to be patient and let his time come.
I dont see Stoudt making a push. Hes a great passer but our offense is built around a Dual Threat QB. My prediction is he tranfers eventually.
|
|
|
|
 |
Standout [327]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 756
Joined: 2/6/01
|
Re: Watson OK with getting Redshirted?
May 28, 2013, 2:39 PM
|
|
It is really easy to say you are okay with something that you never think would happen. My wife may say that it is okay for me to step out of my vows if I get a chance at Kate Upton, but she knows good and well the likelihood of that. A 5* kid has never thought that they would be "competing" for a job, they have most likely never been pushed to compete because of their talent level. This is why it is so hard to de-recruit kids sometimes.
This is not a dig at Watson, just highly rated players in general
|
|
|
|
|
|
All-Pro [665]
TigerPulse: 96%
Posts: 665
Joined: 9/14/03
|
A chance at Kate Upton is well worth taking...
May 28, 2013, 2:46 PM
|
|
I know from experience, dude. If you know what I mean... 
|
|
|
|
|
|
Oculus Spirit [96850]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 29214
Joined: 9/14/05
|
Pics...or it didn't happen
May 28, 2013, 2:48 PM
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Athletic Dir [861]
TigerPulse: 94%
Posts: 1706
Joined: 8/23/05
|
|
|
|
|
|
Enthusiast [121]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 264
Joined: 4/7/10
|
|
|
|
|
|
Varsity [213]
TigerPulse: 90%
Posts: 263
Joined: 12/19/11
|
haha. i agree but...
May 28, 2013, 2:50 PM
[ in reply to Re: Watson OK with getting Redshirted? ] |
|
This is something that im sure he is well aware of when he committed to Clemson that Chad Kelly has two more years in the system and a great talent set. He knows that Kelly could very well come back from his injury and win the starting job. its very possible and Watson knows that. 5* guys of Wastons caliber knows he could immediately start almost anywhere else, he chose Clemson knowing that he will have to compete. With that comes he might have to sit on the bench for a year and be patient like Dabo and his staff preaches whole heartedly.
If thats the case i dont see Watson being the backup, i say he redshirts giving him an extra year so if Kelly plays our till his JR or SR season he will undoubtedly be the next one up.
|
|
|
|
|
|
All-TigerNet [13038]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 22360
Joined: 4/24/04
|
That may be true, but that's also the case at most of the
May 28, 2013, 3:18 PM
|
|
elite schools. Chad Kelly is a good QB prospect and all, but almost all top 10-15 programs are going to have highly rated guys like that on their rosters. Whether or not they ever meet expectation is a completely different matter.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Freshman [0]
TigerPulse: 21%
Posts: 9
Joined: 8/27/12
|
Re: Watson OK with getting Redshirted?
May 28, 2013, 2:57 PM
|
|
Stoudt will play before Kelly. See Kelly having to transfer to play. Stoudt is the only QB we have that has a chance to play in the NFL. Watson has some work to do.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Orange Blooded [3924]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 4707
Joined: 9/2/03
|
So, you are saying that Tajh has no chance at the NFL?***
May 28, 2013, 2:59 PM
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Freshman [0]
TigerPulse: 21%
Posts: 9
Joined: 8/27/12
|
Re: So, you are saying that Tajh has no chance at the NFL?***
May 28, 2013, 3:04 PM
|
|
He can also but will be harder for him because the NFL isn't looking for duel threat QB's. The QB is a game manager not a runner.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Orange Blooded [2507]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 4135
Joined: 1/9/12
|
NFL isn't looking for duel threat QBs?
May 28, 2013, 3:06 PM
|
|
RG3, Mike Vick, Big Ben, A-Rod, Cam Newton, Kapernick, etc are all Qbs that can run and throw and their coaches utilize all aspects of their game.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Orange Blooded [4302]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 3764
Joined: 11/18/03
|
|
|
|
|
|
Varsity [213]
TigerPulse: 90%
Posts: 263
Joined: 12/19/11
|
Respectively disagree ...
May 28, 2013, 3:12 PM
[ in reply to Re: So, you are saying that Tajh has no chance at the NFL?*** ] |
|
NFL is looking for Dual Threats, but only ones who can manage the game. both are necessities unless you are a Tom Brady or Peyton Manning, you have to have a run threat ability unless you are Hall of Famer ELITE at the pocket passer/game manager skill set. QBs now NEED to run
|
|
|
|
|
|
All-TigerNet [13038]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 22360
Joined: 4/24/04
|
|
|
|
|
|
All-TigerNet [10871]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 12937
Joined: 4/18/12
|
You realize the Atlanta Falcons recently visited Clemson
May 28, 2013, 6:27 PM
[ in reply to Re: So, you are saying that Tajh has no chance at the NFL?*** ] |
|
to learn to defend against an offense like Clemson's? They did so b/c the type of offense along with dual threat QBs are becoming more prevalent. What kind of offense do you think Chip Kelly is going to want to run?
|
|
|
|
|
|
Hall of Famer [24775]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 42503
Joined: 7/31/10
|
|
|
|
|
|
Freshman [0]
TigerPulse: 21%
Posts: 9
Joined: 8/27/12
|
Re: I appreciate your support of Stoudt. The rest is mostly null
May 28, 2013, 3:05 PM
|
|
no. i just know the game. sorry
|
|
|
|
|
|
Hall of Famer [24775]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 42503
Joined: 7/31/10
|
Obviously you've taken some time off. Mettenberger, that's
May 28, 2013, 3:12 PM
|
|
what the NFL is looking for. Get a clue.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Varsity [213]
TigerPulse: 90%
Posts: 263
Joined: 12/19/11
|
i see no scenario where a pocket passer wins starting job
May 28, 2013, 3:02 PM
[ in reply to Re: Watson OK with getting Redshirted? ] |
|
Kelly wins or looses to Watson and Stoudt has to tranfer bc you are right he is NFL caliber but not right for our system. Stoudt is a great passer and game manager. but with all the QB draws and power runs, the ability to scramble out of the pocket and make plays with his feet. He cant do that. Kelly can pending his recovery, and he is already right up there with the same passing skill set as Stoudt.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Hall of Famer [24775]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 42503
Joined: 7/31/10
|
Stoudt's time in the system alone belies that statement.***
May 28, 2013, 3:14 PM
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Varsity [213]
TigerPulse: 90%
Posts: 263
Joined: 12/19/11
|
How? explain...
May 28, 2013, 3:21 PM
|
|
We are talking about skill set and potential in spread option offense where the QB has to be able to scramble. Time in the system is second to skill in this case. Stoudt has only one year on Kelly. Kelly has the skill set the Dual Threat ability to start now. Look at what freshman QBs around the nation are doing, they are coming in a winning Heismans and taking teams to BCS Championships. Watson could certainly come in right away.
Are you saying Stoudt has a greater skill set than Watson AND Kelly?
|
|
|
|
|
|
All-TigerNet [10360]
TigerPulse: 84%
Posts: 14030
Joined: 11/9/04
|
no offense to stoudt, but he's a career backup at clemson
May 28, 2013, 3:15 PM
[ in reply to Re: Watson OK with getting Redshirted? ] |
|
unless injuries are involved..........boyd, kelly, and watson all have more NFL potential than stoudt
|
|
|
|
|
|
Hall of Famer [24775]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 42503
Joined: 7/31/10
|
That's why he's #2 right now and none of the others have
May 28, 2013, 3:21 PM
|
|
even been on the field? I don't think so.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Varsity [213]
TigerPulse: 90%
Posts: 263
Joined: 12/19/11
|
What others? Watson is here yet, and Kelly got injured...
May 28, 2013, 3:26 PM
|
|
He could have very well won if that injury didnt take place. they were neck and neck all spring.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Varsity [213]
TigerPulse: 90%
Posts: 263
Joined: 12/19/11
|
ISNT****
May 28, 2013, 3:27 PM
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Varsity [213]
TigerPulse: 90%
Posts: 263
Joined: 12/19/11
|
|
|
|
|
|
Hall of Famer [24775]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 42503
Joined: 7/31/10
|
I hope Stoudt's role is strictly mop-up and Tajh has a great
May 28, 2013, 3:33 PM
|
|
season but I'm confident in what I've seen from Stoudt to this point. Kelly won't play and Watson shouldn't. I would go with the experience over speculative talent every time. Hopefully time will prove me wrong.
|
|
|
|
|
|
All-TigerNet [10360]
TigerPulse: 84%
Posts: 14030
Joined: 11/9/04
|
why "shouldn't" watson play and why "won't" kelly play?***
May 28, 2013, 3:36 PM
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Varsity [213]
TigerPulse: 90%
Posts: 263
Joined: 12/19/11
|
Bc Stoudt has been on the team a year longer... apparently***
May 28, 2013, 3:40 PM
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Orange Blooded [2839]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 4656
Joined: 1/7/12
|
Re: Bc Stoudt has been on the team a year longer... apparently***
May 28, 2013, 10:49 PM
|
|
What does that have to do with anything though? You're pretty much saying Jameill Showers should have started for Texas A&M last season because he was on the team longer than Johnny Manziel or some guy named Will Stein should have started at Louisville ahead of Teddy Bridgewater? That makes no sense. Matt Hasselbeck should probably start for the Colts this year because Andrew Luck doesn't have enough experience.
You know how you gain experience? By playing. Starting Cole Stoudt based solely on amount of time in the system won't do anything. If he goes out and out-performs Kelly and Watson next summer then by all means he should be the starter but the best man will win. And I don't care if the starting QB in 2014 is a true freshman or a 5th year senior, I want to win ball games.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Orange Blooded [2839]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 4656
Joined: 1/7/12
|
Re: Bc Stoudt has been on the team a year longer... apparently***
May 28, 2013, 10:53 PM
|
|
This was directed at Solos, not you ArmyTiger.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Varsity [213]
TigerPulse: 90%
Posts: 263
Joined: 12/19/11
|
Yea i agree. and no worries***
May 29, 2013, 12:08 AM
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Hall of Famer [24775]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 42503
Joined: 7/31/10
|
|
|
|
|
|
All-TigerNet [10360]
TigerPulse: 84%
Posts: 14030
Joined: 11/9/04
|
kelly will have had about a year and a half of top notch....
May 28, 2013, 3:48 PM
|
|
medical attention to his acl by next year's season (by that time it will be as good as it's gonna get).
watson won't need much time.............i think the coaches will take talent over experience. I HOPE they learned from that mistake in 2010 when they continued to throw parker out there instead of boyd........ESPECIALLY since it was obvious that our season was doomed anyway
|
|
|
|
|
|
Orange Blooded [2839]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 4656
Joined: 1/7/12
|
Re: Kelly needs time for ACL; Watson needs time to learn the
May 28, 2013, 10:52 PM
[ in reply to Kelly needs time for ACL; Watson needs time to learn the ] |
|
Both guys will have plenty of time. No offense to the other guys on the roster but DeShaun will be the most talented QB on campus the minute he gets to school in January. The rest is up to him. He will have about 9 months to get acclimated because he is enrolling early and him and Kelly will be battling it out all spring/summer long. Having both of those guys will only push each other to be better.
|
|
|
|
|
|
All-TigerNet [10360]
TigerPulse: 84%
Posts: 14030
Joined: 11/9/04
|
just b/c he's #2 doesn't mean he's gonna be a starter.......
May 28, 2013, 3:31 PM
[ in reply to That's why he's #2 right now and none of the others have ] |
|
next year.
kelly redshirted to give an extra year b/c the OBVIOUS starter was boyd.
Watson (my prediction for next years starter, especially after kelly has been set back due to injury) hasn't even stepped foot on campus, but probably has more all around TALENT/SKILLS/POTENTIAL than EVERY QB on our roster right now.
again stoudt is a solid game managing backup, but will never be a #1 starter unless boyd goes down this year or kelly and/or watson goes down next year.................he's a career backup........and considering our current and future talent coming in at QB that's not a bad thing............Stoudt,NFL?....eeh? practice squad at best
|
|
|
|
|
|
Varsity [213]
TigerPulse: 90%
Posts: 263
Joined: 12/19/11
|
Couldnt agree more***
May 28, 2013, 3:35 PM
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Hall of Famer [24775]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 42503
Joined: 7/31/10
|
I'm not speculating on next year. This year is much more
May 28, 2013, 3:40 PM
[ in reply to just b/c he's #2 doesn't mean he's gonna be a starter....... ] |
|
important than worrying about the future. If Tajh were to go down in the GA game, Stoudt will go in and that's all that matters right now. I'm confident that he's ready for it whether or not he gets the nod next year. One game at a time.
|
|
|
|
|
|
All-TigerNet [10360]
TigerPulse: 84%
Posts: 14030
Joined: 11/9/04
|
If tajh goes down we're screwed............
May 28, 2013, 3:43 PM
|
|
but of course stoudt is the obvious #2 this year b/c of the kelly injury and the fact that watson is a high school senior.............it's not like there are any other options
|
|
|
|
|
|
Varsity [213]
TigerPulse: 90%
Posts: 263
Joined: 12/19/11
|
knock on wood***
May 28, 2013, 3:46 PM
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Hall of Famer [24775]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 42503
Joined: 7/31/10
|
Agreed and that's all I've been saying. Support goes a long
May 28, 2013, 3:48 PM
[ in reply to If tajh goes down we're screwed............ ] |
|
way. There's always the potential for somebody better to come along but maxing his own is what it's all about. He seems to have steadily improved and would be better than at least half the other QBs in the ACC or the SEC.
|
|
|
|
|
|
All-TigerNet [10871]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 12937
Joined: 4/18/12
|
Head to Head as of right now, I'd still say Tajh is much
May 28, 2013, 6:30 PM
[ in reply to just b/c he's #2 doesn't mean he's gonna be a starter....... ] |
|
more refined and capable than Watson. Given, I haven't really seen a ton of Clemson QBs in my lifetime as I am only 26, but Tajh looks to be one of the most accurate passers who puts a tremendous touch on the ball that I have ever seen at Clemson.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Legend [17626]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 11052
Joined: 10/13/08
|
|
|
|
|
|
Orange Blooded [2839]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 4656
Joined: 1/7/12
|
Re: Watson OK with getting Redshirted?
May 28, 2013, 10:43 PM
[ in reply to Re: Watson OK with getting Redshirted? ] |
|
Yeah... I really don't have any clue what you're talking about here. So Cole Stoudt has a better chance at the NFL because he is 6'4" and is a pocket passer but Tajh Boyd, the guy who has been a Heisman contender at points over the last two seasons is not an NFL talent. Chad Kelly is 6'3" and can make every throw, he just happens to have 4.5 speed to go with it. DeShaun Watson is hardly a dual-threat. He can probably run a 4.5 or 4.6 but he is 100% a passer first, he will throw it away before he runs. I don't think you've ever watched any of the QBs on this team, no offense...
|
|
|
|
|
|
Trainer [32]
TigerPulse: 94%
Posts: 126
Joined: 7/30/11
|
Re: Watson OK with getting Redshirted?
May 28, 2013, 6:14 PM
|
|
From what I saw of Morris' offense at Tulsa he doesn't need a true duel threat QB to run it. The Tulsa QB's would just get what they could and get down. If Stoudt can read a defense then he can run this offense and be very effective. I think Charlie Whitehurst would have been great in this offense because of his arm and his ability to fake a handoff and read defenses.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Legend [17626]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 11052
Joined: 10/13/08
|
Why would Josh or Taylor be Redshirted?***
May 28, 2013, 6:41 PM
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Orange Blooded [3194]
TigerPulse: 99%
Posts: 3543
Joined: 11/21/11
|
I hope Watson does get RS
May 28, 2013, 7:24 PM
|
|
Imagine how much he would help our defense by playing scout team QB.. Plus it would give him another year to bulk up and get ready for the college speed. There have been very few true freshman QBs to lead a team to a winning season. Besides, if morris keeps his promise then that should be another year we keep him as OC..
|
|
|
|
|
|
Orange Blooded [2839]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 4656
Joined: 1/7/12
|
Re: Watson OK with getting Redshirted?
May 28, 2013, 10:39 PM
|
|
Cole won't transfer. He will be a junior in the fall. He has a girlfriend here, all his buddies are on this team. I don't think it makes much sense for him to leave for one year of starting at a small school. He's probably not expecting to win a Heisman and go pro, but he's getting a free education and getting to play football, even if he is the #2 guy his whole career. I'd honestly be very surprised if Cole transferred.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Replies: 48
| visibility 1
|
|
|
50
